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PhoneArena Awards 2012: Best Innovation

0. phoneArena 03 Dec 2012, 12:24 posted on

We have to admit it, folks, we aren't that easy to impress. We are a well-trained team of geeks that has laid hands on much more phones than an average Joe can even name. Simply put, we've all been there and we've all done that, as far as phones are concerned. Every once in a while, however, a new product or technology gets announced - something that really make us go "wow". And today, we'll talk about several such solutions: this year's PhoneArena awards begin with the Best Innovation category...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 23 Dec 2012, 11:41

322. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


1080p screen in TV's.... now in phones.....screens were 400x800 in phones.....innovation or evolution

Improved camera tech in cameras.... now in phones.....innovation or evolution.

Single core, dual core, quad core in PC's...now in phones...phones had single core now are up to quad core....innovation or evolution.

Whatever you feel is innovation...you will always pick that.Thats fine.

Projector in a phone.....innovation or evolution. I even gave you a legitimate reason why we dont agree on this....and you dont accept that and you opinion just has to be right and resort to name calling...classic.

If it wil make you feel better, the projector isnt innovative and PureView is. Happy now? BTW....fanboys resort to name calling....in case you didnt know.

posted on 23 Dec 2012, 12:06

323. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


What I'm about to do is show you why someone might not agree with this....please pay attention. (I wasnt gonna stoop to your level of name calling and condescending....but whatever, dont care now. Do you even know what condescending means....probably not. )

"one more time slowly for your little mind

lossless zoom on a phone-unique
oversampling on a phone- unique
able to take 34-38mp full res photo's on a phone- unique

a 41mp sensor on a phone-unique and still pretty unbelievable

this is beyond evolution, its unique and as you seem to think unique is key then ive proved the pureview is number 1 on the list and rightly so"

Now watch what happens when someone doesnt agree with this.....slowly for you....

Lossless zoom.....but wasnt...zoom....already in camera phones? A great majority of them? So...introduce lossless and now all of a sudden its a great thing? If thats what you feel, so be it.

Oversampling.....isnt that like a camera feature....like zoom, grey scale, white balance, mega pixel size, etc. You obviously didnt read my post that mentioned that.

Take a higher resolution picture on a phone and better camera lense...wasnt this done thru the years? On lots of phones? Did it get better from the beginning of phones, smartphones, yes or no?

Thats why I call all that evolution, not innovation. Just my opinion, no need for name calling.

Projector on a phone......you mention 2 obscure phones. Samsung did it right. Thats why I call that innovation.

Learn to understand....ppl that dont agree with you arent fanboys. For the umpteenth time...slowely....I...dont ....even ......like ....Samsung ....phones...Talking strictly about whats more innovative. You feel its the Nokia camera, I feel its the projector in a phone. We can agree to disagree. But you have some very fanboyish ways....look in the mirror before salling someone lese a fanboy or troll.

posted on 23 Dec 2012, 12:18

324. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/03/innovation-or-hype-ars-examines-nokias-41-megapixel-smartphone-camerainnovation-or-hype-ars-examines-nokias-41-megapixel-smartphone-camera/

Please read this article and especially the comment sections. I'm not the only one who feels this way. Its called ....an....opinion.....

Key comment:

BottledCello wrote:
Quote:
we believe all camera makers should consider oversampling as an integral part of future camera designs

Um, Isn't that what most camera makers already do when you select a lower-than-max resolution?

To the best of my knowledge, more or less. What they don't do is design around the idea of capturing at a lower-than-max resolution as the *default use case*.

THIS is why I call it evolution.....and not innovation.

posted on 23 Dec 2012, 12:22

325. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


ok lets end you for good as your just as dense as usual

first the innovation ''debate'' that you couldnt hold up in and failed at bringing real basis to your comments. your whole underlining point was its unique. i proved there were other phones that do the same and you ignored this and repeated yourself. you basically then spat your dummy out as you were proved wrong and now are trying to pull something back. your very transparent.

second you never stated it as your opinion instead you flooded the comment section stating it was fact the projector phone is more an innovation. if you do this be prepared to be questioned and debated. cant handle it dont state obvious nonsense. in the end i basically showed why the 808 won and your projector phone did not (apart from the fact it was the first). you just couldnt admit you were wrong to say about it been unique. you just ignored the parts that proved you wrong....thats what fanboys do

so when you can have a real debate and not throw your dummy out when you are proved wrong please come back with something that has a real basis. until then how about you try and be open minded and give credit where its due

posted on 23 Dec 2012, 14:38

328. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


You fail to acknoledge why I thin the projector is..... more ........unique.....

I have....constantly......stated it was my opinion....what the hell are ytou reading, or not reading???

I see what this is.....you live to be right in the internet....lol. Wow...

Have a good day.....I dont indulge fanboys. And right on cue....the name calling and talking down. You win...happy now? I bet you didnt even read that Ars article I posted...lol.

posted on 23 Dec 2012, 15:50

329. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


No you keep on moving the goal posts, since I proved its not unique your now saying more unique lol tragic mate

Your the fan boy and a real bad one at that. And there's no win, did you see this as a competition sad .

You still haven't answered anything I put to you. Have a good one try to learn how to answer what's asked of you next time

posted on 23 Dec 2012, 16:26

330. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I said you win, you should be happy.

You win, you win, you win, give it a rest aleady. Nokia's camera is the best innovation of all time....projectors in a phone suck. You are not a fanboy, you are the best person in the world. You proved me wrong, you proved everything right.

See? This is called moving on. You win...this is my cue to unfollow from this article....and I know in the future whenever I see you post....what to do.....

posted on 23 Dec 2012, 16:35

331. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


For the record...I did answer your questions....you are just turning a blind eye to what I posted....thats what fanboys do. I even gave you evidence why ppl would think the Nokia camera isnt all that innovative vs a projector in a phone.

We will never agree on this matter.....but I'm a fanboy because I dont agree with you. .. WOW .You are either real young.....or need to learn what a debate, opinion is.

I ...never...called you names....never talked down to you until you did. You are a seriously delusional fanboy. But I know how to handle folks like you. I see why you are acting the way you are now....you have that Nokia phone.....lol I never had that Samsung projector phone. Now....whose the fanboy....lol.

posted on 23 Dec 2012, 16:44

332. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


Mate I debated you, proved you wrong and then made you look the immature fan boy you are, your win comment proved this

You take everything I say and repeat it at me, you can't even come up with your own points. Your the only kid here grow up before trying to debate with us adults. So go be a fan boy elsewhere you have failed to debate to a mature level and now your throwing all you can and grasping at straws.......your no longer amusing

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 08:29

336. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


You dont know the meaning of the word debate. You do know what a fanboy is, you do that very well....I proved that the other day. And you took the bait right on cue...lol. Fanboy....lol. I said you win, because I knew that would make you feel better. It always make fanboys feel better.

The name calling also proved that. You started that, not me. Fanboys resort to name calling when they cant come up with anymore points. Fanboy..

You refuse to see the points I put up. I dissected every reason you put up about the camera being innovation, why I said the camera wasnt innovation vs the projector in a phone in my huge post...and you totally dismiss it as repeating....sad. ALL that was brand new. Another trait of a fanboy.

You have that Nokia phone, so you are automatically biased towards it. I get it. The sad, sad problem is you cant see it yourself. And you are looking amazing foolish. Seriously. I am a HUGE fan of Motorola. You wouldnt be able to tell because I dont lust after it and the company and wanna argue with anyone who says somethings negatove about it or the company. You are defending that Nokia phone like you are a majority investor....lol.

I would advise you to step back, look at all your post defending that phone.....and really do some soul searching.

posted on 03 Dec 2012, 13:54 3

36. BadAssAbe (Posts: 462; Member since: 22 Apr 2011)


"Innovation is not just launching a new handset with a slightly larger screen or a marginally faster processor"

Innovation is a handset with a better camera! LOL JK

I really hope the nokia is as good as they say it is

posted on 03 Dec 2012, 17:59 1

81. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I didnt know that was from the article...You have a valid point and if you were joking, I agree...lol.

So...how is improved camera technology any different than new screens and new processors? Hasnt camera technology improved over the years? Like screens and processors? They have the Samsung projector phone listed...and the Nokia camera technology beats it out?

I am willing to bet if you showed both technologies to ppl, more ppl would be amazed by the projector phone.

posted on 03 Dec 2012, 21:31 1

114. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Projector phones aren't new. Being able to use a stock phone to zoom in on someone's face from across the length of a football field with no discernable loss of quality is stunning. Even more so because it is still a good phone and pocketable (though the bump is noticeable). Furthermore, you need to keep the pico lens very clean and protected otherwise that feature is useless.

posted on 06 Dec 2012, 23:04 1

294. lolol (Posts: 64; Member since: 14 Nov 2012)


By the "better camera" there they mean the more pixels, not the technology. This is not only about the 808, this is about pureview, So theres a list loseless zoom, oversampling , OIS.. etc, This isnt just a improvement , its vast.. Most other companies imporve the camera by just adding a few more mega pixels..

Oh theres no point explaining to you, you are just mad that nokia is at top and sammy is 3rd.

posted on 22 Dec 2012, 17:39

311. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Has nothing to do with the brand. Dont assume because I dont agree with something that I'm a fanboy. Speaking strictly about the innovations on the list.

I actually dont like Samsung phones....something you might have known if you read thru the comments here instead of assuming.

posted on 03 Dec 2012, 14:00 8

38. mas11 (Posts: 1034; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


But I thought Apple was the most innovative company on the planet!

posted on 03 Dec 2012, 15:39 5

58. kickgolfer (Posts: 69; Member since: 03 Dec 2012)


that's cuz they've patent the words like "innovative" and "most"

posted on 03 Dec 2012, 17:48 1

77. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


Extra screen length is not innovative, nor same design, and same UI. Apple is smart though. Why change something sells.

posted on 03 Dec 2012, 22:21 1

120. mas11 (Posts: 1034; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


For Apple it's extra but for Android and WP 16:9 has been the standard

posted on 03 Dec 2012, 14:10 5

40. Fallout09 (Posts: 421; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


My nominations would be 5 row of icons, 4 inch screen, making the first smart phone to have an additional noise canceling mic and take panarama pictures.

posted on 03 Dec 2012, 15:05 6

52. Commentator (Posts: 3721; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


I disagree. I think inferior mapping software, redesigned charging/data ports, and winning patent disputes should have made the list.

posted on 03 Dec 2012, 22:01 1

116. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


IPhone didn't have the first panoramic photos in a phone. That's been on other platforms for years.
Noise cancelling mics have been the norm for probably around a decade by now. The iphone just has another one up high if I recall correctly (toralling 3), finally making it not a total waste of a phone (emphasis).
4 inch screen, you're joking right?

posted on 04 Dec 2012, 11:26 1

166. Fallout09 (Posts: 421; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Yes, Apple has no innovation.

posted on 23 Dec 2012, 13:37

327. Bilpocalypse (Posts: 301; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)


Yeah, but hasn't Samsung won a couple of those disputes over Apple. Maybe, it should be "starting patent disputes" instead.

posted on 03 Dec 2012, 14:32

46. kirholstov (Posts: 146; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


I'd say MacBook Pro Retina

posted on 03 Dec 2012, 14:33 1

47. kirholstov (Posts: 146; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


Maybe wireless charging?

posted on 03 Dec 2012, 14:34 4

49. Guarulhos (Posts: 39; Member since: 19 Sep 2012)


Achievement More Than Just No Device On Planet Innovated More Than 808 PureView Pro !

Congratulations Nokia For Pioneering And Innovation !

P.S: Nokia 808 PureView (__Abyss__) All Other Mobile Planet With Integrated Digital Camera !!!

posted on 03 Dec 2012, 15:00 1

51. ilia1986 (unregistered)


My list:

Lumia 920 screen - ability to use a capacitive screen while wearing gloves.

Galaxy S3 Smart-stay and smart-stay-like apps - never been done before.

Android 4.2 photosphere - also never been done before.

posted on 04 Dec 2012, 11:38 2

168. nwright94 (unregistered)


Read Microsoft photosynth app that was available long before android 4.2

posted on 03 Dec 2012, 15:34 3

55. _Bone_ (Posts: 2155; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


Well deserved, the 808 blows the Galaxy Camera to smithereens in picture quality, and it qualifies for Smart Camera too with all around better shooting performance in a much smaller body. A total winner.

2nd place I'd give to the Note 2, Airview, multi-window, smart stay (already in the S3), pretty awesome features.

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