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Phone makers move away from Windows Phone because of high licensing fees and Nokia competition

0. phoneArena 11 Jun 2013, 03:34 posted on

Phone makers are either moving away from Windows Phone or putting their plans for the platform on hold…

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 11:08 1

110. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Say's the jealous looooser™

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 22:45

141. wurmZ (Posts: 32; Member since: 11 Jun 2013)


@steelicon:

tell that to TROLL.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 05:24 2

35. FlushGordon (unregistered)


This is why Windows is an absolute nightmare for OEMs

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 05:37 4

38. FlushGordon (unregistered)


Microsoft : ''You want our OS? then you have to pay $40 per handset''

OEMs : F _ _ C K OFF!!!!!

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:08

41. steelicon (Posts: 318; Member since: 02 Apr 2011)


LOL! Good one!

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:23 5

44. tashreef (Posts: 476; Member since: 24 Nov 2012)


OEMs : MS lower your WP licensing fee .

MS : My OS, My Rules.

OEMs : You'll suffer without us.

MS : LOL. i have "Nokia"

OEMs : o.O :)
MS : :)(Y)

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:31

46. Credo (Posts: 748; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)


Hahaha i like you're comment !

Greetzz.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 07:04 3

57. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Rotflmfao, you're platforms in a sinking ship!

Who the hell would want to use that fail platform, which has been failingfor the past 8 years. What a joke.
®

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 07:28

59. roldefol (Posts: 4332; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Why all the WP8 hate, Trollio? Did a Finn throw a Zune at your dog's noggin?

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 08:02 1

71. wurmZ (Posts: 32; Member since: 11 Jun 2013)


@roldefol

TROLL is being PAID to bash so let him earn for a living. Who knows if he will NOT bash, he will become like his decription of WP.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 08:44

83. wurmZ (Posts: 32; Member since: 11 Jun 2013)


@TROLL maybe try to use the money you earned from bashing by investing to stock market. One strategy is to buy stocks from those failing because when a company is down, they will exert so much effort to climb. Ssshhhh! do not tell this to your employer you are using their money investing to a sinking ship company.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:02 2

84. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


flush yourself in the nearest toilet

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 11:10 1

111. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Off topic looooser™

Android 71% vs pathetic 4% Wp8 Nokia
Jelly fanboy™

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:32

47. Sondae (Posts: 279; Member since: 02 Jan 2013)


Well nokia sure own in making Windows Phone beside they made a well quality phone.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:41 2

50. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Nokia should dump Elop and start making android phones.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:46 7

51. snowgator (Posts: 3600; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Sigh.... I often feel torn between being a fan boy or trying to be level headed, so screw it: I will be a little of both.

1) I still do not see what the big deal if Nokia was the only Windows Phone maker. As WP bashers point out over and over again it is basically the same experience. Is iOS successful on one handset makers device? Sure. Apple provides a complete and well supported ecosystem. That is exactly what MS is building. Nokia would get all that benefit and they have the experience of worldwide distribution and a great reputation for device support.

2) How often do we read how Samsung is the only Android maker excelling in profits? Even the well loved 1 series hasn't lead HTC to the promised land yet. LG, Sony, a dozen Chinese manufacturers and a few other hardware manufacturers including the now Google owned Motorola are way, way, WAY behind. WP is fine with one dedicated manufacturing partner at this point.

3) Nokia does not need WP competition to keep it on it's toes. They want to be #1 again someday. There is plenty of road to travel. They have to innovate to compete worldwide with Sammy, iOS, BB 10, and about 4 other OS start ups. If all these other OEM's back off WP, Nokia just starts to shoot for all the other groups.

4) App development has slowed bit not stopped. So long as Win 8 tablet/computer sales are trending up, it will continue. While WP is different and needs apps designed for it exclusively, MS is selling the ecosystem. Nokia alone has WP trending up in dozens of countries. They can get it to 10% on their own.

5) Licensing is cheaper then developing your own OS. And Nokia has no desire to just be another Android Army soldier to Samsungs 4 star General when they can build their own identity.

Okay, fan rant over. WP bashers now have the floor back!!!

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 07:36 4

62. roldefol (Posts: 4332; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Well said on all counts. Particularly 5). I'm sure there are plenty of anti-MS Nokia fans who'll say Nokia should have stuck with either Symbian or MeeGo, but the fact is that in big markets like the US, we follow platforms, not manufacturers. Nokia used to have a huge amount of pull in the industry, but they let LG and Samsung take over here. Nokia had already lost so much ground in the smartphone race by 2011, they needed a major partner like MS to compete again. We're finally seeing that pay off. The Lumia 928 is the #3 phone at the #1 carrier, lagging only the iPhone and GS4. Quite a turnaround from 2 years back.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:17

90. steelicon (Posts: 318; Member since: 02 Apr 2011)


Ponder on this: Nokia traded 37.6% (approx. 385 Million) shipped and/or installed base (Symbian) for 1.7% (approx. 40 Million) shipped and/or installed base (Windows Phone). The Lumia sales cannot even offset the losses from no sale of Symbian units.

Now how stupid is that? >:(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Phone#Market_share
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian#Market_share_and_competition
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/16863_Symbian_still_easily_the_third.php
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/17354_Ye_olde_S60_is_still_the_Third.php
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-monthly-201205-201305

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 11:01 3

106. roldefol (Posts: 4332; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Yes, mine was a pointed comment. Unfortunately you're comparing Symbian units shipped before Android dominated the market. That's why Nokia ended up as a WP vendor in the first place. Symbian was getting its clock cleaned by iOS and Android. Something had to be done. If they had stuck with Symbian, they'd be in worse shape today than Blackberry. Instead they're on the rise.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 21:43

134. steelicon (Posts: 318; Member since: 02 Apr 2011)


On the rise? On the rise from what? LOL one is inclined to think you're a FauxView Nokia Apple wannabe fan. Has Elop also copied Apple's Reality Distortion Field and fed it to you, too? You are living a life of illusion and we find your faith in Lumia is indeed disturbing.

posted on 12 Jun 2013, 07:51

148. roldefol (Posts: 4332; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


I'm a realist. Symbian is dead. MeeGo is dead. I like Nokia's hardware. If WP is keeping Nokia alive, in the news, on the sales charts and (most importantly to me) on US carriers, I'm all for it. A world of Samsung Androids and iPhones would bore me to tears.

I find your faith in that dead religion, Symbian, disturbing. Where will you go when your 808 dies?

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 08:05 2

74. wurmZ (Posts: 32; Member since: 11 Jun 2013)


very mature comment unlike the others who do not know how to appreciate the stride of Nokia with WP.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 23:13

145. raphz (Posts: 37; Member since: 22 Oct 2012)


well said

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:47 1

52. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


As always,

Nokia + Windows Phone = TRUE NOKIA MASTERPIECE!

This is Lumia.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:54

54. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)


GO LUMIAQQ!!
but it almost no competition, Nokia almost monopoly for wp8
which is not good for wp8 as a whole

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:58 3

56. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


Almost no competiton? Slow and steady wins the race!
Go Nokia!!

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 07:42 1

64. tashreef (Posts: 476; Member since: 24 Nov 2012)


what competition ? Samsung has released Ative S seen no success , dropped back, HTC released 8S and 8X still not able compete with Nokia, Huawei one device i rarely hear about it....

Nokia will crush anything on its way ... i think only HTC can stand against Nokia ... at least for now...

Samsung..hmmm produce low quality products. when Samsung and Nokia both are on same platform(WP), people will choose the best.... i mean "Nokia".

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 07:44 2

66. roldefol (Posts: 4332; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Samsung continues to put their best and their marketing muscle into the Galaxy S line, and for good reason. Why put money behind a midranger they can't customize when they're making money hand over fist on Galaxys?

If people want an Android, most buy a Galaxy S or an HTC. If people want Windows, they'll buy a Nokia.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 08:35 2

79. wurmZ (Posts: 32; Member since: 11 Jun 2013)


Samsung's money is given to marketing muscle like what TROLL and others are PAID of, bashing. And it's effective, is it not? So may galaxies and even the flagship phones looks cheap. WHY? because you can no longer identify them with those galaxy china clones. And they are proud to show off an original galaxy when other people would assume it is a only clone. So where is the difference if they want to stand-out among the crowd?

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 10:55

105. roldefol (Posts: 4332; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


I know plenty of Galaxy S buyers. Many of my coworkers have recently upgraded to the S3 and S4. Either they're being pushed into it by salespeople, or they're satisfied S1 owners, or dissatisfied 2011 HTC owners. Brand recognition is strong, so it doesn't matter so much that the hardware is plasticky. Just like it doesn't matter so much that the iPhone is small.

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