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Phone makers move away from Windows Phone because of high licensing fees and Nokia competition

0. phoneArena 11 Jun 2013, 03:34 posted on

Phone makers are either moving away from Windows Phone or putting their plans for the platform on hold…

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posted on 11 Jun 2013, 04:40

23. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1010; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


let them enjoy android

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 07:31 4

61. lyndon420 (Posts: 1642; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Enjoying Android is an easy task.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 07:56 2

68. papss (Posts: 3458; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


Had to laugh at the Sony part.. How is Sony relieving the pain?

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 11:52 2

116. SonyXperiaNexus (Posts: 374; Member since: 01 Oct 2012)


sony has the best midrange phones and probably the best android tablet.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 03:55 1

9. cameogt (Posts: 88; Member since: 18 Oct 2012)


"the main reasons are Microsoft’s unwillingness to lower the high licensing fees for its mobile platform"

this really makes sense why no WP phones other than Nokia is popular.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 04:00

10. abcdefgh (banned) (Posts: 471; Member since: 29 Mar 2013)


true dat.even kids know this.lol

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 04:03

11. abcdefgh (banned) (Posts: 471; Member since: 29 Mar 2013)


this news would have been great if nokia made android phones and all other manufacturers left android.i know it newer happens.also wp is not bad either.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 04:57 1

26. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


" Useless, Pathetic"™®©

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 07:57 3

69. papss (Posts: 3458; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


Who you? You need attention this morning? Mum didn't kiss you good bye this morning?

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 04:04 6

13. clevername (Posts: 1407; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)


Waitaminute...

Samsung makes phone then stops supporting...
huawei makes phone for china and then teases a budget phone that takes forever....
HTC makes 2 great phones then nothing...
Nokia makes great phone after great phone catering to many different customers...

everyone says they can't compete but they aren't trying!
I won't argue the licensing fee, but if a company doesn't try to compete then of course market share will be low. It wouldn't take much either. Nokia is just releasing slightly updated carrier variations. A chip upgrade, or camera upgrade or design upgrade with some good stock apps for "differentiating" and you can have a solid competitor.
HTC can make blink feed an app with live tile and it would have nearly the same effect. The look of the is wouldn't be much different but its functionality would be greatly changed for the better.
but don't make one phone and then 8 months later say you can't compete with someone who has already released 6. That's just stupid.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:48 1

53. Whateverman (Posts: 3162; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Well also the game is rigged in Nokia's favor, right? M$ gave the a deal on the licensing fees, M$ worked directly with Nokia developing the first 3 flagships, they paid commission to AT&T reps for pushing the Lumia 900, and they gave Nokia a billion dollars to use WP in the first place. I can see any reason why other OEMs would even think they could compete when the deck is stacked so heavily against them.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 04:05 4

14. abcdefgh (banned) (Posts: 471; Member since: 29 Mar 2013)


seems the eggs nokia laid in wp basket is hatching and will go further strong.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 05:09 3

32. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Down south™

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 10:39

100. haseebzahid (Posts: 1775; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


sam plastic loverboy

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 11:04 1

108. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


More like

"ANDROID"™®©

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 04:08 5

17. Edmund (Posts: 646; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


It's still an excellent platform which doesn't lag and crash like some.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 04:11 4

18. ArtSim98 (Posts: 1179; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)


Nokia scares everyone away!

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 04:20 4

20. Loubielou (Posts: 174; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Mr Elop an Microsoft are the Best Comedy pair in the Mobile Market,an can not stand competition,Nokia would have been more succesful with Upgrading Symbian or Meego,an would have been more popular with Android,How did Mr Elop convince the Nokia Board that Windows would be more Popular than Symbian is Truelly Amazing,He acts like a Salesman for Microsoft instead of a Chairman at Nokia

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 08:01 2

70. papss (Posts: 3458; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


Here's a suggestion, go read before commenting on something you don't know.. Symbian was already dying before they went WP.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:14 3

86. steelicon (Posts: 308; Member since: 02 Apr 2011)


Ponder on this: Nokia traded 37.6% (approx. 385 Million) shipped and/or installed base (Symbian) for 1.7% (approx. 40 Million) shipped and/or installed base (Windows Phone). The Lumia sales cannot even offset the losses from no sale of Symbian units.

Now how stupid is that? >:(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Phone#Market_share
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian#Market_share_and_competition
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/16863_Symbian_still_easily_the_third.php
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/17354_Ye_olde_S60_is_still_the_Third.php
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-monthly-201205-201305

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 04:45 1

24. Raymond_htc (Posts: 430; Member since: 06 Apr 2012)


Wonder what happens when Nokia DID entered the Android Market...

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 04:59 1

27. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5488; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


Microsoft needs to pay these companies to make Windows Phones not the other way around...

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 05:13 3

33. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


No thanks. No one is intrestead™

Android™®© Ftw®

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 04:59 1

29. dan.ardelean (Posts: 1; Member since: 11 Jun 2013)


Before posting this you should read more on Windows Phone. You should know that HTC is preparing at least one new device (HTC Tiara), Samsung also and there are at least 2 new Huawei devices in test (Huawei only entered Windows Phone market a couple of months ago)
Look at AdDuplex statistics

Anyway not releasing 2 smartphones every 3 months doesn't mean that they are not interested in that market segment anymore. It is a better approach to launch less devices and support them better.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 05:09

31. Antonyjoseph (Posts: 208; Member since: 06 Apr 2013)


This is bad news. Microsoft should reduce their charges to enable more manufacturers to come on board. The only way for WP8 to succeed to have more visibility.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 05:20 1

34. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Look what happened to Windows Mobile, it was struggling for the past 8 years. Why would any company want's to head down south. Look what also happened to wp7, that was also failing, MS and Nokia spent millions on adverts and wait that Smoke by Wp was bogus luring customers and deceptioning them. And they still failed! ®

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 07:53 1

67. wurmZ (Posts: 32; Member since: 11 Jun 2013)


@TROLL:

it seems like you are well educated when you bashed WP but you are using words that injure your credibility. There is no such word as deceptioning, maybe deceiving if that is what you mean.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:15

88. steelicon (Posts: 308; Member since: 02 Apr 2011)


No one is perfect. Are you?

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 10:34 2

98. papss (Posts: 3458; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


Are defending troll? Too funny

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 10:49

102. bulgyjj (Posts: 27; Member since: 08 Jun 2013)


That's why half the posters you can't take seriously.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 11:08 1

110. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Say's the jealous looooser™

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 22:45

141. wurmZ (Posts: 32; Member since: 11 Jun 2013)


@steelicon:

tell that to TROLL.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 05:24 2

35. FlushGordon (unregistered)


This is why Windows is an absolute nightmare for OEMs

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 05:37 4

38. FlushGordon (unregistered)


Microsoft : ''You want our OS? then you have to pay $40 per handset''

OEMs : F _ _ C K OFF!!!!!

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:08

41. steelicon (Posts: 308; Member since: 02 Apr 2011)


LOL! Good one!

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:23 5

44. tashreef (Posts: 475; Member since: 24 Nov 2012)


OEMs : MS lower your WP licensing fee .

MS : My OS, My Rules.

OEMs : You'll suffer without us.

MS : LOL. i have "Nokia"

OEMs : o.O :)
MS : :)(Y)

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:31

46. Credo (Posts: 677; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)


Hahaha i like you're comment !

Greetzz.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 07:04 3

57. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Rotflmfao, you're platforms in a sinking ship!

Who the hell would want to use that fail platform, which has been failingfor the past 8 years. What a joke.
®

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 07:28

59. roldefol (Posts: 2855; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Why all the WP8 hate, Trollio? Did a Finn throw a Zune at your dog's noggin?

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 08:02 1

71. wurmZ (Posts: 32; Member since: 11 Jun 2013)


@roldefol

TROLL is being PAID to bash so let him earn for a living. Who knows if he will NOT bash, he will become like his decription of WP.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 08:44

83. wurmZ (Posts: 32; Member since: 11 Jun 2013)


@TROLL maybe try to use the money you earned from bashing by investing to stock market. One strategy is to buy stocks from those failing because when a company is down, they will exert so much effort to climb. Ssshhhh! do not tell this to your employer you are using their money investing to a sinking ship company.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:02 2

84. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


flush yourself in the nearest toilet

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 11:10 1

111. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Off topic looooser™

Android 71% vs pathetic 4% Wp8 Nokia
Jelly fanboy™

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:32

47. Sondae (Posts: 181; Member since: 02 Jan 2013)


Well nokia sure own in making Windows Phone beside they made a well quality phone.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:41 2

50. maxican16 (Posts: 361; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Nokia should dump Elop and start making android phones.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:46 7

51. snowgator (Posts: 3160; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Sigh.... I often feel torn between being a fan boy or trying to be level headed, so screw it: I will be a little of both.

1) I still do not see what the big deal if Nokia was the only Windows Phone maker. As WP bashers point out over and over again it is basically the same experience. Is iOS successful on one handset makers device? Sure. Apple provides a complete and well supported ecosystem. That is exactly what MS is building. Nokia would get all that benefit and they have the experience of worldwide distribution and a great reputation for device support.

2) How often do we read how Samsung is the only Android maker excelling in profits? Even the well loved 1 series hasn't lead HTC to the promised land yet. LG, Sony, a dozen Chinese manufacturers and a few other hardware manufacturers including the now Google owned Motorola are way, way, WAY behind. WP is fine with one dedicated manufacturing partner at this point.

3) Nokia does not need WP competition to keep it on it's toes. They want to be #1 again someday. There is plenty of road to travel. They have to innovate to compete worldwide with Sammy, iOS, BB 10, and about 4 other OS start ups. If all these other OEM's back off WP, Nokia just starts to shoot for all the other groups.

4) App development has slowed bit not stopped. So long as Win 8 tablet/computer sales are trending up, it will continue. While WP is different and needs apps designed for it exclusively, MS is selling the ecosystem. Nokia alone has WP trending up in dozens of countries. They can get it to 10% on their own.

5) Licensing is cheaper then developing your own OS. And Nokia has no desire to just be another Android Army soldier to Samsungs 4 star General when they can build their own identity.

Okay, fan rant over. WP bashers now have the floor back!!!

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 07:36 4

62. roldefol (Posts: 2855; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Well said on all counts. Particularly 5). I'm sure there are plenty of anti-MS Nokia fans who'll say Nokia should have stuck with either Symbian or MeeGo, but the fact is that in big markets like the US, we follow platforms, not manufacturers. Nokia used to have a huge amount of pull in the industry, but they let LG and Samsung take over here. Nokia had already lost so much ground in the smartphone race by 2011, they needed a major partner like MS to compete again. We're finally seeing that pay off. The Lumia 928 is the #3 phone at the #1 carrier, lagging only the iPhone and GS4. Quite a turnaround from 2 years back.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:17

90. steelicon (Posts: 308; Member since: 02 Apr 2011)


Ponder on this: Nokia traded 37.6% (approx. 385 Million) shipped and/or installed base (Symbian) for 1.7% (approx. 40 Million) shipped and/or installed base (Windows Phone). The Lumia sales cannot even offset the losses from no sale of Symbian units.

Now how stupid is that? >:(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Phone#Market_share
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian#Market_share_and_competition
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/16863_Symbian_still_easily_the_third.php
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/17354_Ye_olde_S60_is_still_the_Third.php
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-monthly-201205-201305

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 11:01 3

106. roldefol (Posts: 2855; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Yes, mine was a pointed comment. Unfortunately you're comparing Symbian units shipped before Android dominated the market. That's why Nokia ended up as a WP vendor in the first place. Symbian was getting its clock cleaned by iOS and Android. Something had to be done. If they had stuck with Symbian, they'd be in worse shape today than Blackberry. Instead they're on the rise.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 21:43

134. steelicon (Posts: 308; Member since: 02 Apr 2011)


On the rise? On the rise from what? LOL one is inclined to think you're a FauxView Nokia Apple wannabe fan. Has Elop also copied Apple's Reality Distortion Field and fed it to you, too? You are living a life of illusion and we find your faith in Lumia is indeed disturbing.

posted on 12 Jun 2013, 07:51

148. roldefol (Posts: 2855; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


I'm a realist. Symbian is dead. MeeGo is dead. I like Nokia's hardware. If WP is keeping Nokia alive, in the news, on the sales charts and (most importantly to me) on US carriers, I'm all for it. A world of Samsung Androids and iPhones would bore me to tears.

I find your faith in that dead religion, Symbian, disturbing. Where will you go when your 808 dies?

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 08:05 2

74. wurmZ (Posts: 32; Member since: 11 Jun 2013)


very mature comment unlike the others who do not know how to appreciate the stride of Nokia with WP.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 23:13

145. raphz (Posts: 35; Member since: 22 Oct 2012)


well said

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:47 1

52. xperiaDROID (limited) (Posts: 4852; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


As always,

Nokia + Windows Phone = TRUE NOKIA MASTERPIECE!

This is Lumia.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:54

54. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)


GO LUMIAQQ!!
but it almost no competition, Nokia almost monopoly for wp8
which is not good for wp8 as a whole

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 06:58 3

56. xperiaDROID (limited) (Posts: 4852; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


Almost no competiton? Slow and steady wins the race!
Go Nokia!!

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 07:42 1

64. tashreef (Posts: 475; Member since: 24 Nov 2012)


what competition ? Samsung has released Ative S seen no success , dropped back, HTC released 8S and 8X still not able compete with Nokia, Huawei one device i rarely hear about it....

Nokia will crush anything on its way ... i think only HTC can stand against Nokia ... at least for now...

Samsung..hmmm produce low quality products. when Samsung and Nokia both are on same platform(WP), people will choose the best.... i mean "Nokia".

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 07:44 2

66. roldefol (Posts: 2855; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Samsung continues to put their best and their marketing muscle into the Galaxy S line, and for good reason. Why put money behind a midranger they can't customize when they're making money hand over fist on Galaxys?

If people want an Android, most buy a Galaxy S or an HTC. If people want Windows, they'll buy a Nokia.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 08:35 2

79. wurmZ (Posts: 32; Member since: 11 Jun 2013)


Samsung's money is given to marketing muscle like what TROLL and others are PAID of, bashing. And it's effective, is it not? So may galaxies and even the flagship phones looks cheap. WHY? because you can no longer identify them with those galaxy china clones. And they are proud to show off an original galaxy when other people would assume it is a only clone. So where is the difference if they want to stand-out among the crowd?

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 10:55

105. roldefol (Posts: 2855; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


I know plenty of Galaxy S buyers. Many of my coworkers have recently upgraded to the S3 and S4. Either they're being pushed into it by salespeople, or they're satisfied S1 owners, or dissatisfied 2011 HTC owners. Brand recognition is strong, so it doesn't matter so much that the hardware is plasticky. Just like it doesn't matter so much that the iPhone is small.

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