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Oracle claims billions in damages from Google's use of Java in Android, determined to get them

0. phoneArena 17 Jun 2011, 09:35 posted on

The lawsuit action between Oracle and Google started last August with Oracle's claims of Google infringing a bunch of Java patents in its Android code, but did you know how big this whole process is?...

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posted on 17 Jun 2011, 10:04 2

1. daniel_bargs (Posts: 325; Member since: 27 Nov 2010)


all google's revenues from android since the beginning will go to Oracle's vault in case they lose this battle. i hope not but it sounds like Oracle has a chance. haha

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 10:26 1

2. ilia1986 (unregistered)


This is bs. Almost every phone manufacturer supports Java in it's platform. From Symbullsh*tian to almost every feature phone platform. And none of them were ever targeted by the great Oracle afaik.

posted on 20 Jun 2011, 01:25

46. drone (unregistered)


For every Java enabled Symbian or any other phone, the manufacturer has to pay Sun/Oracle a small sum of money (cents?). This is for the rights to use the Java Logo, Source Codes and other licenses. Google use the Java technology (via Dalvik JVM) on Android and refused to pay for anything while using some of Sun/Oracle's Java source code. Much as I admire Google and Android, I think it is only fair that Oracle try to get back what is rightfully theirs.

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 11:05 3

3. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Yeah, Oracle. Billions in damages, even though you didn't create the fu.cking code. Go to hell.

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 11:08 4

5. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


But Sun did create the Java code. And since Oracle bailed Sun out by acquiring them, they get to pursue the patent rights that Sun held. Larry may be able to cover the cost of the Sun acquisition out of this lawsuit if it really goes south for Google.

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 13:37 4

14. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Oh wait, they made a mistake. It was Apple that Oracle is suing, not google.

Now watch sniggly take everything he said back, and watch him give Oracle some love, hahahahahaha

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 16:28 2

25. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Har har. Oracle's obvious cash grab aside, I'm ambivalent about the case. If Google did indeed use patented code without permission, then they should pay the royalties or change their code. However, I don't know enough about the facts of the case to openly condemn Google.

posted on 18 Jun 2011, 22:35

43. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


in other words, now u r saying something totally different than ur last comment, cant blame google for something they blatantly did, and are blaming oracle for being smart and buying sun...

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 17:27 3

27. pyckvi (Posts: 48; Member since: 19 Dec 2010)


Damn u apple fanboys are one-track minded! wtf is up with all of u fanboys hating android? android has done nothing but good competition to everyone. android is helping everybody make some money. while retarded companies like this oracle want to destroy an Awesome OS & steal all its money! why cant u retards understand that ever since android came out, there has actully been allot of Mobile Evolution thanks to the competion between Apple & Android. i think Patents are BS!!!

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 19:39 2

30. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Patents are BS? Well maybe because you don't have any :)

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 11:06 4

4. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Through its acquisition of Sun, Oracle already has experience enforcing the Java patents (as opposed to patterns). MS felt compelled to pay Sun a license fee when .Net started showing functions that were remarkably similar to Java patents. Unless Google can find a way to invalidate the Java patents, or can find a patent (or patents) to offset Oracle, they had better start to plan on negotiating a way out. If they take it to trial, things won't be pretty, because damages could include derivative revenues. SAP tried to limit its damages exposure to the actual revenues that Oracle lost, but the jury awarded based on a derivative revenues model.

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 11:18 1

6. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I wish they could buy oracle :(

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 11:33 1

7. haha (unregistered)


there goes Sniggly fighting for his all mighty android to the death. SHAME ON ORACLE! GOOGLE IS AN ETHICAL MULTI BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION UNLIKE APPLE! AND ITS PHONE SUPPORTS FLASH! HOW DARE ORACLE BE MEAN TO GOOGLE

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 12:03 3

8. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


So I have a stalker now? Cool.

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 12:09

10. krkseg1ops (unregistered)


grow up before you post anything. or ask your dad if you can because based on your last comment in this article, he really should eye approve all your doings

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 12:10 3

11. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Who me?

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 12:06 1

9. recurringnightmare (unregistered)


haha, I hope the jury orders Google to retract the java code from all their devices. Awaiting Ice Cream Sandwich successor - Java What?

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 13:12 1

12. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


That WILL never happen. What will happen is that if Google indeed is guilty Oracle WILL get a small % from every Android sale, like Windows gets from HTC every time HTC sells an Android phone. Android is a GIANT STEAMROLLER WHO CAN"T BE STOPPED. It's in Oracle's best interests not to STOP Android Ice Cream Sandwich from being deployed, IF the court system finds Google guilty that is! Also what is up with this Android/Sniggly hate? This is just a blogging site...... plus I think I know who this is anyway...... :-) lol

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 17:37

28. pyckvi (Posts: 48; Member since: 19 Dec 2010)


if that does happen. guess what... ur phones will probably at most get upto 1.2Ghz Dual-Core by about 2015

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 13:26 2

13. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


But didn't google create all codes and every one is just copying google's codes? Lol. Ask the fagdroids, lol.

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 13:42 3

15. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


C'mon 530gemini your kidding right? Oh I get it you are trying to be funny. iSheep made a funny! lol Ok now I get it! Are you sure you don't mean your iHero Shepherd Steve Jobs didn't create the codes? No he didn't because if he DID then Apple would be suing! Just like they are going to sue the comic industry because you know, Apple invented it right? lol

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 14:45 1

18. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Well yes, I'm kidding, but sniggly would definitely believe and agree with what I've posted, lol.

Honeslty, I don't care who created or who invented whatever. If I like the device, I'd buy it. If they infringed on something, let them kill each other in court.

Suing is anyone's right. If Apple sues someone whom they think infringed their patents, then it's their right, vice versa.

I'm just amused with fagdroids accusing Apple of stealing this and that when their almighty google is known for stealing ideas and patents as well :)

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 15:00 3

20. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


530gemini, sometimes you type some good points, but when you make it personal, like attaching Sniggly's name or calling people fagdroids you just don't make this fun. You are like the ultimate party foul. You enter a room & all fun just stops. Are you like this in real life? Do you have friends? Yeah you have friends, they must be like you in order to tolerate you. Just try to be cool, & chill out. It's not that serious! I try to make some valid points while I blog but then you come & call me a fagdroid. Why can’t we all be adults & have heated discussions without calling each other homophobic slurs? “Can’t we all just get along”! lol

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 19:41

31. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Muah :)

posted on 20 Jun 2011, 04:31

47. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Look who you are asking this of...I believe you wasted your time with that post.

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 14:20 1

16. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I don't think I've see many fandroid clamming Google created the smartphone or that Google created the project at all, its know to the general public that Google even used the Linux kernel as a base for its project, also this patterns are related with the dalvic virtual machine witch is the way android gets applications to interact with the OS no the OS itself, yet google added features that where so nice that are considered ti be implemented on other os as well... but I think you already know that don't you... you just hate android....

also this is not the place for you to promote your homophobia

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 14:41 1

17. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Gemimni. I'm gonna ask one more time as nicely as I possibly can. Could you please refrain from using that word here? We're just talking about phones here. But that word is really crossing th line. We don't agree on much, but can we agree to be adults and not do the whole name calling and offensive slurs? Thank you.

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 14:49 1

19. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


How about I make a deal with you. If you can stop android fans using the word "isheep", then I promise you that I will never use "fagdroid" again :)

If not...... Oh well, lol.

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 15:06 3

21. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


iSheep & fagdroid are not the same. iSheep is not a homophobic slur. Why can't you come up with a name for Android fans that is not a homophobic slur? What no originality in your iSheep mind! You are clever enough to come up with an anti homophobic slur, aren't you?

posted on 17 Jun 2011, 15:21 2

22. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


This isn't the same and I think you know it. I'm asking you to not use a word that inspires hatred. I don't know if you are aware of the "It gets better project" but if you google it, and watch a few of the commercials I think you'll see why it so important that we not use such a hateful word.

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