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Opinion: What explains Windows Phone's sales woes?

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Opinion: What explains Windows Phone's sales woes?
What’s holding back Windows Phone in the market?

Windows Phone is a good mobile operating system. Really, it is. But if the only way you had to judge the quality of an OS was by looking at market share then not only would you think it must be terrible, but it would be getting worse. In Q3 of this year there were less WP7 handsets sold than there were in the first quarter of the year.

So if the product is good, why can't they sell more?

This, in a nutshell, is the conundrum that Microsoft has been facing since they launched WP7 in Fall 2010. Despite receiving high marks from reviewers and excellent satisfaction rates from the people who bought a WP7 device, sales numbers continue to circle ever lower like bathwater emptying down a drain.

The subject of “why” this is happening has received a bit of press lately, sparked by former Windows Phone GM Charlie Kindel, who voiced his take on the matter on his personal blog. In short, Kindel believes that Microsoft’s business model doesn’t encourage carriers or OEMs to want to push Windows Phone handsets with their marketing dollars.

Opinion: What explains Windows Phone's sales woes?

Tech blogger and Apple apologist M.G. Siegler opined that one of the bigger problems WP7 faces is simply how late it is to market. Since iPhones, Android devices, and even BlackBerrys all dominated consumer mind share by the time WP7 launched, the bar had been raised much higher in the eyes of the average consumer. Microsoft needed to make a product so incredibly good that there was no choice but to try it out, possibly luring customers over from existing ecosystems.

Siegler feels that WP7 is a solid product, but it isn’t that compelling. He's presumably correct, since people are not flocking to Windows Phone in droves.

Those two ideas aren't mutually exclusive, and there is probably a lot of truth to both – studies have clearly demonstrated that salespeople don’t push Windows Phone devices in stores. And being late to the party does mean that Microsoft has a harder case to make – not merely “this is a nice OS too”, but “here is why you should leave the already entrenched mobile ecosystems for our product”. But in amongst all of this there may be another reason that has largely been ignored:

Windows Phone is competing more directly with the iPhone than with Android

Microsoft doesn’t say this of course. In fact they go out of their way to pit Windows Phone against Android. CEO Steve Ballmer, WP7 managers, even executives at Nokia, all of them practically trip over themselves to compare WP7 with Android. And in one sense this is correct – Windows Phone is competing with Android to attract OEMs. Motorola was firmly in the green robot camp even before Google acquired them, while Nokia famously chose to side with Microsoft.

But honestly it isn’t a zero-sum competition. Many OEMs choose to build phones for both, and even more would if both platforms were equally profitable. Hardware manufacturers follow the money; if consumers adopt Windows Phone en masse, you can bet the OEMs will step up and make what the people are buying.

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posted on 30 Dec 2011, 03:11 4

1. redmd (Posts: 1220; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)

for me it's their price and the lots of lost functionality.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 04:52 2

17. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)

i think it's their closed system and being very new.
most people have itunes only and android has mass storage.
Not that Zune is hard to understand but why look for anything else if Android and iOS is standard already... and the jailbreak and stuff... yes, it's more of an iOS competitor.

also hardware limitation.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 09:49 3

39. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

There is also an arrogance factor with MS. They think that if they build it, the market will buy it. While that has been the circumstance in the PC/ Windows market, that kind of arrogance doesn't play well in the smartphone market.

Great article (Thumbup)

posted on 31 Dec 2011, 21:10 2

73. Whodaboss (Posts: 176; Member since: 18 Nov 2011)

MS arrogance? As oppose to whom? Please don't superimpose your thoughts on MS. If your ascertian was correct then people would be flocking to their product. So, your thesis requires some additional work. Ok, you don't like MS WP it's your right. Just like I'm not a fan of iOS nor Android products.

I always find it curious people who like both iOS and Android products are so quickly to comment on WP. Last time I checked iOS and Adroid were the best selling devices so why do so many of their users care what MS does? Why lower your standards to comment on a system that you're so positive isn't worth the time buying?

As far as this article goes it's decent and I agree with some of the ascertions but overall sentiments of this article is rubbish to me. I will never own another iOS product nor will I own the overrated Android products. That said good luck to them all.

posted on 01 Jan 2012, 06:28 1

75. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)

He is saying that the downfall of Microsoft when it comes to smartphones is the fact that they didn't think of things well enough before joining in on the game. The closed system, for example... There is a reason why a lot of customers who prefer an open-source platform flocked over to Android and seriously... It's hard to attract the kind of customers that have a loyalty pledge to Apple--- people who prefer a closed, structured ecosystem that display the same kind of arrogance to its smartphones the same way Windows displayed their arrogance to their PC OS. Just because they made it doesn't mean that people will go off in flocks to buy their products. You completely missed Droid_X_Doug's point.

Your bitterness to both iOS and Android is amusing. As far as I am concerned, I would actually like another OS competitor to get into the game because the more competition, the better, as long as no one actually joins forces with the other in order to topple off the other. (Microsoft is guilty of this, as they joined in a betting scale for something Google wanted to purchase last year along with SE and RIM... Because Microsoft has the same morals and practices Apple does; see something good, steal it, patent it, and bully all the others who try to do the same thing they did no matter how un-cutthroat the other company is.)

The fact is... I would like MS Windows Phone to gain a little momentum in the Market but seriously... The reason why I flocked over to Android is because I hate jailbreaking and I hate having to buy apps just to have them.

And Android is hardly overrated; the iOS products are. Every Android product has its company working hard in order to set it apart among the crowd of Android-flavored handsets available today (and then on top of that they have to compete with the iPhone) whilst your beloved iPhone doesn't need to; because Apple doesn't care enough to give their customers a choice. In their minds, that IS their latest iDevice and it's up to you to adjust to it; not the other way around. Because Android is cheaper by 50% so their product is above any other just because it costs more, because the profit margin is up there in the 100% scale. Jeez.

So no--- thank you. I'm not stupid and I hate bullies.

Microsoft should do the same as Google did. They are just not used to consumers having the power of choice above them. They're used to scheming and eliminating the competition so they can create a monopoly. All of this should change.

posted on 01 Jan 2012, 16:48

81. Whodaboss (Posts: 176; Member since: 18 Nov 2011)

As you put it "... having the power of choice..." that's the crux of the matter with MS. Their OS is as good as any if not better. (my opin) And I'm glad MS didn't go the way of Google aka Android. Using Android on a powerful device works decent/well, but using Android on a device that's not fully spec'd out is not a good combination or experience at all.

I'm glad MS has a minimum standard for the devices that will run their OS. But that's the conundrum here; Whereas there are many phones that run Android there are few Windows Phone devices. TMo currently has 1 phone until Nokia 710 is released. AT&T has 5. Sprint 1 and Verizon 1. That's the problem! And yes iOS only has one phone, but Apple makes the phone and control all aspects of their device.

I'm glad MS has joined with Nokia because Nokia makes great looking devices. HTC, Samsung, etc seems to treat Windows Phone as a step child in my opinion in terms of styling - the left over form factors.

Lastly, WP lack of sales are directly due to the lack of support by those selling the phones. As a TMo and Verizon customer I have visited many stores and when I ask about a WP device 99.9% of the time the sales person try to steer me towards an Android product. That's whats really killing Windows Phone in my opinion. If that doesn't change nothing will help MS.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 11:01 1

47. shafboy (Posts: 179; Member since: 26 Sep 2010)

You know what? I don't think Microsoft is the best OS out there, even though I have one and personally prefer it to any other OS.

But even if I pick an iPhone for an upgrade to my contract I will still support Windows Phone.

I don't know why, but I can see the OS going somewhere.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 03:21 5

2. HTCOE (Posts: 632; Member since: 20 Nov 2011)

The user interface is not my taste at all its pretty weird in my opinion. It doesn't seem like it targets adults well. It tends to feel more like its designed for children & teens.

To make it better in my opinion would include:

solid build structure

full live tile display for richer experience

4g connectivity

larger marketplace

professional windows interface

more functionality

better advertisement & marketing


posted on 30 Dec 2011, 03:37 3

6. Uzzelien (Posts: 131; Member since: 22 Feb 2011)

So you want super small live tiles? Really would it be worth having them if they were the same size as the icons on an android phone?

4G connectivity:
Really 4G isn't worth it on a phone right now. Wait two to three years then look at an phone with it. Look at Verizon, how often is their LTE down?

A larger market place:
This is just silly. No other phone OS put as many apps up in as short of time as they did. The Zune Market place is growing and at a fast pace.

More functionality:
I hate when people say "more functionalilty." This really means more customization. That's really not the point of the phone and more and more companies are moving away from this.

The more I read this the more I find your comments to be very droneish almost like you just throw out keywords that marketers use.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 05:14 4

21. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

dude..you're an idiot that creates bogus points just for the sake of protest.

tiles are pretty much just widgets that double as launchers. it's a fine approach to simple information gathering.

4G connectivity is a good thing now, yesterday, tomorrow, whenever. innovation has to start somewhere you know. Verizon's LTE Network has only been down only like a handful of times for only a day or two at a time so we're talking a total of 1 maybe 2 weeks of outage out of around 55 weeks of 10x the speed of Verizon's 3G. so not worth it bro.

the reason the Windows Marketplace garnered the amount of apps it did in the short amount of time it did is because after a look at the amount of people using iPhones and Android smartphones companies and developers realize the significance of having Applications available on mobile platforms now. Apps have just caught on. obviously the rate of progression for marketplace growth on WP is nowhere near that of Android or iOS so until that changes WP will just keep falling further and further behind.

you know when someone is saying they want more functionality there is a good chance that they mean what they're saying. a good example would be what Microsoft themselves recently patented. it's this cool modular design for WP devices that would definitely fit the bill for increased functionality.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 06:19 1

25. Uzzelien (Posts: 131; Member since: 22 Feb 2011)

4G is in few markets and those that get it yes it's been down twice and that's two to many times. It really shouldn't be going down at all but the phone companies ( verizon in this case ) didn't spend enough time on the backbone to handle it. In two years when all major cities will have it and they've learned they need to boost the backbone more for it then I'll change my mind of that. Till then if you travel with you phone you're on 3G most of the time.

The Zune market place has grown at 2x the a speed of the Andoid market place.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/WP7-Marketplace-about-to-hit-30000-apps-doubles-Android-apps-growth-rate-devs-welcome-to-submit-Mango-apps_id21496 I'm going to qoute Mr. T here " I pitty da fool."

What you're talking about it port to allow devices to connect to it. That is much different and no other devies have that not and Android or a iOS. Though...oh wait something like that was out a long time ago called a Springboard.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 06:42 1

26. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

Verizon's 4G LTE covers over 200 Million people guy. that's plenty. well that's your decision but if everybody was like you LTE would get no where.

what they're saying is the Windows Marketplace reached that milestone in half of the time that the Android Market did when it was young and that was back in the days of the G1, the myTouch, the Cliq and the early days of the Droid. i would hope Microsoft is doing better at getting apps now than Google was back in 2009-2010. the Android Market has 500.000+ apps and the Windows Marketplace has 50.000+. Android has just been around roughly 2 years longer than Windows Phone 7.

then all the more reason Microsoft should make it a reality. that's the point. oh and modular enhancements have stuck around. take the LG Versa for instance.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 08:04 1

31. Uzzelien (Posts: 131; Member since: 22 Feb 2011)

2 years is HUGE in any type of software and in phones. People bitched aboutt he andoid market place when it first started saying it wasn't going to make it and it was didn't have as many app..blah blah blah. This is the same thing iOS fan boys and droidboy ( like I can tell by your icon you are ) say about the zune market place.

People don't want to lug stuff like a keyboard ( if they want an off screen one ) around that isn't already on their phones. The same goes with cameras and everything. That's why the Versa didn't do well and also why the Springboard didn't do well.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 08:17

33. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

yeah but WP7 is the third wheel on the scene, it's not the same as Android because Android was a direct and fresh competitor to Apple and garnered a lot of attention, it still is. the excitement was building instead of diminishing. if this article is any indication i don't think WP's app support is going to increase as much as it has with Android. trust me i like WP but it still needs lots of work.

the modular concept was just one example of what one would mean by increased functionality. it doesn't even have mean hardware. i thought the modular idea was cool though because then you could have a game control attachment, an extra battery, a keyboard, these things would be very practical to use on a WP device.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 09:51 2

40. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

there is room enough for everyone in the marketplace. the market is still young and still has more than half of the world to grow to.

WP7 is a good OS with some good thing in it, and a marketplace that IS growing fast regardless of device sales. the Android marketplace did not catch fire until after the DROID release that made it a success and started attracting developers. the WP7 market is growing despite lack of solid sales. Thats actually pretty impressive. If it keeps it up, it will have probably over 200k apps within 2 years.

4G is needed more for some people, like VZW customers that dont have a fast 3G backhaul... its a huge difference between LTE and CDMA 3G. Say what you want about tmobile, but i rarely drop between 4-5mb/s on 3g and my wife barely drops below 8-12 on 14.4mb/s 4g. Thats more than fast enough for now. That makes LTE less necessary.

The versa was a crap phone. If "modular" enhancements came out on a flagship like the SGS2 it would do much better. The Asus Transformer is a "modular" design and its one of the best tablets. There is definitely a market for it. Maybe not a mainstream one.. but enough for a few manufacturers to make a small mint on accessories.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 13:49

57. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

i agree pretty much. only thing is LTE is necessary for Verizon to get on-board and that is a big deal. ;P

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 10:21 1

43. PedroJohnston (Posts: 2; Member since: 30 Dec 2011)

Wow i completely disagree with you:
It's clearly the opposite. Windows phone 7 is the least visually luring UI for children and teens. Partly because the screen looks smaller, partly because you cant customize much of it. Its minimalistic, clean, and relies mostly on text to get a message across. Kids like things more like shiny symbols, and extravagant looking UI features which are inexistent in WP7. It is CLEARLY targeting older people. The problem is that older people don't care as much about tech to go spend the extra cash as the younger generation does.

The MAIN problem is clearly timing. Microsoft is simply to late.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 11:18

49. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

id have to disagree with you. I sell more WP7 to teens than to anyone else. They love it.

posted on 31 Dec 2011, 00:54

67. bvalde09 (Posts: 180; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)

Altough you all have a good point. Especially @remixfa Windows is just behind on the market. I mean Lets take as an example the Samsung Focus (ATT) Thats a good phone and is cheap with Mango update you could do a lot related to previous version. I Think if they would focus expanding the market they will be ok. Windows Phone has never been bad is matter of personal choice.. Give MS time for another year or two and they will be in the good track

posted on 31 Dec 2011, 14:45

72. MYTHiKAL (Posts: 33; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)

I agree with u on this... Teens and Kids would be more interested on WP7s then any others mainly due to the very unique XBOX Live Experience they dont have with the other OS..

Overall, WP7 is a solid OS.. I'm starting to see more and more with WP7 phones all around me, they just came in too late to the party thats all.. Give it more time.

posted on 31 Dec 2011, 21:46

74. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

yeah, i'm 18 and i like WP even though i'm being objective about the platform it still hits a mark with my age group. i'm an exception due to being well versed in the mobile space but to most of my friends WP is definitely on their Radar and speaking of Radar i have a friend that just bought a Radar even over my suggestion of getting a Galaxy S II or shopping around for a good deal on a GSM Galaxy Nexus. i will say however that Android has created a name for itself in teenage society, i often times see teens that want an Android device now largely due to how big it is now and because of how many of their friends are satisfied with it. like remixfa said WP needs that Droid release backed by a multi-million dollar ad campaign from Verizon.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 11:05

48. shafboy (Posts: 179; Member since: 26 Sep 2010)

I agree but I also think it has sustained well amongst its strong competitors. Especially because they are going against the two hardest OS's out there.

I'm waiting to see what Apollo has to offer.

posted on 01 Jan 2012, 06:34

76. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)

I think you're looking for an iPhone with 4G connectivity.

The Windows interface is already professional. If you want something that looks like an expensive toy, go buy an iPhone.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 03:23 4

3. Uzzelien (Posts: 131; Member since: 22 Feb 2011)

People had a bad taste in their mouth from WM 6.X so they see Windows and don't even look at it for one. It's sad I know plenty of people who are like this. I got one myself and let my friend play around with it after he was talking about how bad 6.5 was and now he's thinking of getting one for his next phone. I like how once 7.5 was RTM it didn't take five months+ to get the dam thing on my phone. People bitch about the specs on them also. They don't even think that it doesn't need the quad or dual cores to make it a smooth experiance. The major thing that is a problem with it is the retailers. It really doesn't come down the handset makers pushing it but the retailers knowing the phones they're pushing. Walk in the your local AT&T store and ask to see the phones of the sales people. They're almost all iPhones or some kind of Android. MS should sit them down and put a gun to their head while they read the stuff on info on the phones and make them use them. This isn't going to happen though...unless...nm. This is a huge part of it. When I got mine I went into the store and said this is the phone I want. I started to chat with the girl who was setting it up and she even said she didn't know anything about the phone really. Then said I knew more about it then she did....so tell me what the major thing is now?

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 12:38 1

53. rando (Posts: 1; Member since: 30 Dec 2011)

This is the most accurate comment here. I work in market research looking at drivers and barriers for different smartphone brands every day. The reason why Windows Phone is struggling has nothing to do with the OS or the hardware. Both are good and provide the most well rounded OS to hardware experience in my opinion (I have an Android fyi). The reason why WIN Phone is struggling is because of timing, advertising, branding, and the sales people as mentioned above. It's the same issues Palm had with WebOS. Because they are late to the game it is critical sales people recommend the phone and get customers to at least try the OS. However, consumers will not even consider the phone because it says Windows on it. The average consumer associates WINDOWS with "old, viruses, boring" etc. These are things consumers don't want in their phone, because they view their phone as an extension of their personality to the outside world.
We have consumers in our focus groups all of the time and show them an array of smartphones, no one ever chooses the WIN Phone and they say they would never consider a phone made by MSFT with WINDOWS. However, when we disguise the branding and have them just play with the OS, they view it as the best OS hands down. For many of them, they prefer it over iOS. This means the OS is there, it's a matter of the learning curve and getting it in the hands of people to try.
Honestly, MSFT would be better off if they somehow bought market share, meaning, give unlocked WIN Phones away to people for a month or so. Look how well the HP Touchpad is doing when they nearly gave it away: it's the number 2 tablet in the US.
Also, Android is the default phone people go to because they view it as the only decent alternative to the iPhone. Most consumers are very different from those on this chain . They usually do very little research and go with what friends,TV, and sales reps tell them. Android's timing was just perfect as the only competitor to the iPhone on Verizon when there was only BlackBerry. Most consumers who use Android find it too time consuming and exhausting to adjust the OS to fit their needs.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 03:29 4

4. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

EXCELLENT ARTICLE! i agree with everything here 100%.
i myself (an Android user) would like something more aesthetically simple yet good looking and complex in it's functionality all at the same time much like WP7 and i am a big user of Xbox LIVE so there's even more reason for me to have a WP but Android has me for things like powerful hardware, exponential rate of innovation from Google and OEMs alike & developer interest. i would definitely give WP a chance if the hardware was just there but like you mentioned about Microsoft's time table Apollo is coming in a time when the the world will be swept up with the next steps from Google and Apple with the iPhone 5 so Microsoft really has a lot to focus on in the next year with this plan of theirs. 2012 makes or breaks these guys without a Miracle.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 03:34 1

5. manuell3g (Posts: 66; Member since: 12 Aug 2011)

Seriously,when people who have never held a windows phone pass judgement on the os it pisses me off.the os or its design is not the problem but luck of apps n developer support.if windows phone equal android n ios apps it will be a very competitive os.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 03:39 2

8. HTCOE (Posts: 632; Member since: 20 Nov 2011)

not true....at all buddy it needs more than just apps, even apple

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 03:39

9. Uzzelien (Posts: 131; Member since: 22 Feb 2011)

This is the stuff people said about Andoid when it was young.

posted on 01 Jan 2012, 06:41

77. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)

The thing is... How can developers support it when the OS itself is closed? A closed system doesn't attract a lot of small-scale developers, which are the ones who actually give away free apps. I hate having to buy apps when I want something as simple as... say, a scientific calculator or a dictionary. MS needs to ATTRACT consumers in their ecosystem. It's not the device and the OS; they're great. (Windows 6.5 and below were meh... but ever since WP 7, the experience changed.) It's something within the ecosystem that's not appealing.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 03:38 1

7. Contreramanjaro (Posts: 153; Member since: 04 Dec 2011)

One time I asked a T-Mobile rep what he thought about WP7 and he said, "You know how when Windows releases there are a lot of bugs and crashes all the time, that's how Windows Phone is. It's like Windows 2000." Granted this was not long after WP7 released. I was smart enough to look up some articles on the matter but if it were my dad he would have steered clear for sure.

posted on 01 Jan 2012, 06:43

78. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)

Why do network carriers employ sales reps that have brain cells the size of a protozoa's? I mean, not all of them... But seriously... I probably know more about what they're selling than they do. Whatever happened to efficient Human Resource Management? Is there a shortage on people with brains who like to know what their job is about?

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 03:43 4

10. rceballos10 (Posts: 3; Member since: 14 Nov 2011)

The're no conundrum, and I'm sure Kindle is a smart and successfull business man, but if he feels WP7's MAIN problem is that it's too late into the game, it's no wonder he wasn't successfull as GM.

WP7's problem is MARKETING, that's it... Not sure why Microsoft feels they can come up with a GREAT product and it will sell its self... iPhone is so great for their simplicity, I'm sure you used an iPhone, they're boring and simple...but iPhone markets every feature, like Siri, as if it was some magical ground breaking software... It's NOT, Windows Mobile (WM) had this feature just a few years ago and WP7 has had since the beginning...just no one knew about it except Windows Mobile and WP7 users. Microsoft sure as hell didn't market it...

Check out this article:

It quotes... "Despite that rant, “smartphone” penetration in the USA is either 35% or 44%, depending on who you ask and what, exactly, qualifies as a smartphone. So, we’ll play the numbers and hazard a guess of 40%, realistically, but it could go either way. This leaves right around 60% of the US market still in the market for a smartphone"

When you have approx 60% of the market still open... I dont' care what you are selling... It's still wide open!

MARKETING... The way Microsoft has driven Xbox 360 & Kinect downs consumer's throat...that's the marketing WP7 needs, times 2!

FYI, I am a WP7 user, I was a WM user and I've used Apple products all the time, I don't like them because they are simple and boring... I liked WM because they were computers in your phone, but that was too complicated for people... Microsoft is an awesome company, they just need some humility! MARKETING!!!

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 05:32

22. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

marketing was affected by WP7's late entry into the game. haven't you heard that being first to the market is everything? Apple was the first "simplistic" smartphone platform to arrive so any marketing Microsoft can do to differentiate themselves as having the best simple smartphone they already do. Apple's damage is done. being simple isn't WP7's selling point even though it is still a part of it's charm because as the article stated Apple has had years to corner that market. Microsoft and the OEMs market WP7 as best as they can. i always see HTC advertise the Radar, i also see Samsung putting out some for the Focus Flash and Microsoft is always doing their thing on the web and HELLO GIANT WINDOWS PHONE! it's the CARRIERS holding back all of their marketing dollars and sheer availability that make it seem like WP isn't being marketed enough.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 12:41

54. rceballos10 (Posts: 3; Member since: 14 Nov 2011)

I agree with you abou the impact about being first... But that doesn't mean GAME OVER. Look at Android, they were "late" into the game to and they flourished...why because of Marketing.

Every commercial spot on every major sporting event, TV show, primetime...etc....whatever it was, there are iPhone commercials and Android commercials. Yes, MS has picked up it's game in Marketing, but not nearly enough... As I stated, look at Xbox 360 and Kinect... commericals, ads, prints, radio...etc., all over the place. That is what MS needs to do with WP7 amongst other strategical marketing tatics... I hope they do...

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 12:42

55. rceballos10 (Posts: 3; Member since: 14 Nov 2011)

By Android, I meant Google obviously...

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 14:01

58. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

Android wasn't late, they were the ones that got the party started although i do agree Google and their OEMs do a good job with marketing.

i think you in particular are just seeing more 360 ads or you pay more attention to them or something. also you have to remember that the game companies are probably doing a majority of what you're thinking about there. the Xbox itself advertises WP like crazy.

posted on 01 Jan 2012, 06:51

79. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)

That's because Google saw the importance of humility and an open-source platform-- that if they ever were to gain any momentum, they have to offer what Apple cannot offer: Freedom and Functionality.

The idea of marketing the same way Apple does its marketing is detestable to me though... Because it targets gullible consumers, so anyone who is wowed by the "smartphone for dumb people" loses any respect for me in terms of their intelligence.

In this age... Seriously, why the hell would you go off and believe advertisements? Especially for purchases as expensive as smartphones...

But yes, you are right. Microsoft has to do better marketing than they already have for their products; leaving it to the manufacturers, like Google has, is... Well, stupid. If you want your OS to penetrate two warring ecosystems, they have to take matters into their own hands and market all the super devices they have their OS on.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 04:02

11. lp_522 (Posts: 46; Member since: 31 May 2011)

AT&T first received the Samsung Focus and the LG Quantum. Then the Focus Flash, HTC Titan and now the Samsung Focus S.

Verizon got what? HTC Trophy (1st Gen) and Sprint, HTC Arrive (1st Gen)?

The problem is that unless you use AT&T there isn't a lot of options in the U.S. As consumers we really don't specifically know or care about the politics that happen in meetings (like Verizon's prerogative of LTE on WP) but something has to happen. Microsoft needs to get it together immediately and at least make an effort to get their phones out there before it's too late.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 04:09

13. lp_522 (Posts: 46; Member since: 31 May 2011)

Example.. I liked the Focus Flash/Omnia W ads that were on TV. They pushed the sociability aspects of the phone and it's fluid use. But it's only on AT&T.

Just imagine if almost every carrier had the Omnia W. Microsoft could of advertised it themselves like Samsung did for their Galaxy S lineup.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 09:39

37. depeche (Posts: 63; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)

Love the Samsung Focus and would consider getting the Focus S, however, know they are pushing out LTE ready devices in the next couple of months... not on contract nor will I sign a contract with AT&T and Would like to go back to T-Mobile.. If they can produce a device that has 4" screen...

T-Mobile has the HTC HD7(old) and the Radar 4G

Sprint has the HTC Arrive(old)

Verizon has the HTC Trophy(old)

AT&T has multiple selections from 2010 and Current Releases

Would love to see MORE phone on MORE carriers ! !

Microsoft needs to push a unit out to every Carrier every Quarter in order to keep up stop producing mid-level devices.. last years devices are just that and at a bargain...

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 04:07 1

12. weishin92 (Posts: 9; Member since: 08 Sep 2011)

I wanted to buy a windows phone device so badly but too sad it's not for sale in my country.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 04:17 1

14. gharatnikhil (Posts: 11; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)

'ItS nevÉr tOo laTe'

but u r already more than late
ur os doesn't suport memory card
with only single core

luk at samsung and andro
they are going for quad core
and ur dual core wil cum in Q4
come on micro soft
show the world what you are ¤

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 05:14 2

20. abaza121 (Posts: 17; Member since: 02 Oct 2011)

dude you are talking about a phone not a full computer not to mention that it drains batteries

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 04:36 2

15. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)

Thos is exactly.why Nokia should have swallowed its pride and gone alL out Android. Think about this if they announced back in Feb they would launch android, the future would uve been infinitely brighter for them. Imagine Gingerbread on great designs like the X7 or N9 with dual core processors and LTE, they could have hit the US market by storm.

If Windows Phone dies then the foreseeablefuture for Nokia is very grim... They should uve gone all out MeeGo and launched the brilliant N9 internationally.

Back to the subject, ICS just LOOKS infinitely more interesting and alluring then Mango, and the high price tags for WP7 devices.

BB will probably be replaced by WP7 and 2012 will be Tue year where RIM and Microsoft fight it out for the position of "we are gonna go bankrupt a little later"

Anyways, great article guys, yes I did read it and I think the basic problems is A) Prices on par with iPhones and high end Droids, and B) It doesn't look as aesthetically desirable as ICS or Gingerbread, and C) They don't offer a lot in customization, other then that, its a smooth and clean OS and i would pick it over iOS any day.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 04:42

16. tedkord (Posts: 9839; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

Three words - butt ugly UI. (yes, I know UI is two words)

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 05:05 1

18. blackrose (Posts: 48; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

The question is always what would make you want to leave your current os of choice. For another after you have been using a certain products for a while its. Very hard to change you get use to a certain standard. And if something doesn't work the way it works on the phone your using. Its going to be a big problem and general dislike for the product. I don't see my self leaving android. It offers me what I want. That's the main thing it doesn't matter how good wp7 maybe. The question is does it offer anything you want. Is it worth switching to. Is it worth leaving all your Apps you paid for all your music for itunes or whatever. Well that's my opinion on the subject

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 05:12 2

19. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)

Well said...

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 05:59 2

23. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)

I don't like because no nice user interface
But most important of all I don't like Microsoft

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 06:06 1

24. iWallE (Posts: 48; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)

I believe Microsoft should've put more thought in different ways to tie the WP experience with Windows 7 and use the driving force of its huge share in PCs. OK, so iOS is for lovers of simplicity and beautiful design and Android is for those who love more options, or those who cannot afford an iPhone. WP could've been the first mobile OS with proper productivity abilities, or could've offered a set of built-in apps that are paid for on other platforms. Microsoft could've used its relations with developers for W7 to offer a better user experience and differentiate themselves from the competition. Probably MS can still do all that but if a change doesn't happen quickly, the future is more than grim. For now Android leaves WP in the dust both in terms of price (in the entry level market) and hardware power combined with software options (in the high-end market). And as for Apple... they're just Apple. Noone can compete on their battleground for at least several more years. In fact, unless they make some very bad moves, for a lot more years. I hope MS can figure it out somehow, because I really like the look of their OS, plus healthy competition will drive the others forward as well.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 07:11

27. frustyak (Posts: 205; Member since: 08 Mar 2010)

This is more or less the same thing that happened to the Palm Pre and WebOS when they debuted. A great platform that simply couldn't catch on and grab a piece of the market. I had a Palm Pre Plus for about a month. I thought the phone was great, it was a joy to use. But there was simply little or no support for it. Consumers didn't want it because there were no apps, and Developers didn't want to write apps for it because there was no demand. It was a horrible catch-22 that Palm couldn't break. I had to bail after about a month because it was clear that WebOS was a sinking ship. I wish the outcome had been different for WebOS.
I see the same thing happening here. Everything is Android and iOS today. There is little room in the public consciousness for another OS, at least on a mass marketing scale. I can see the same Catch-22 at work here, except that this will drag out longer because Microsoft has deeper pockets than Palm did.

posted on 31 Dec 2011, 10:02

71. snowgator (Posts: 3554; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

I do disagree with those that are comparing WP and it's plight with Palm. While there are a few similarities, WP reliance on manufacturers for hardware sets it immediately apart. Also, the fact is Palm put out a bad product. I had the Pre Plus, loved WeBOS. But the hardware was substandard and experience was deadly buggy. WP and it's hardware is solid and smooth. The inability to get people onboard has nothing to do with quality, and users enjoy it.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 07:17

28. smartx84 (Posts: 12; Member since: 30 Dec 2011)

i use an iphone and a lumia800 after a number of years with android. i kinda agree that perhaps inadvertently wp7 is actually competing with ios - at least today. you cant beat android with limited features...wp7 is a fantastic os, better than ios, but android offer so many functionalities/features either part of the os itself or from 3rd party apps...despite the claimed 500 new features in mango, in terms of functionalities (not os smoothness/responsiveness), there are major&minor details that need to be improved.. for example, touting itself as a highly social os with "people" hub/app, you dont actually get any notification (push or periodical) for new posts from facebook/twitter/linked in, etc. and a lot more that would make this post longer....

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 07:23

29. twashington4 (Posts: 81; Member since: 24 May 2010)

For me, Windows Phone's debut as a AT&T's stepchild ruined it for me. It took forever to get a Windows Phone to CDMA. I think AT&T had like 3-4 Windows Phones when it was released. Sprint and Verizon had nothing. How are going to take forever to release your brand new phone on the carrier with the most subscribers?? When they did get one, what did they get...a Trophy on Verizon and a Arrive on Sprint. What they needed was to have the HD7 on all carriers within a reasonable amount of time. Oh well. Too late, Windows Phone. It's still a nice platform that I hope doesn't go the way of webOS.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 08:09 1

32. Uzzelien (Posts: 131; Member since: 22 Feb 2011)

I agree but I don't blame them for this I blame the service providers for not picking up more of the phones. I've said this not only about WP ones but also Android. There are lots of phones out there that we never see because they don't pick them up ( At&t,Verizon, Sprint or T-Mobile ) here in the US.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 07:28

30. medicci37 (Posts: 1268; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)

I bought my first computer in 2008,& after dealing with windows Vista & being stupid/naive enough to give them another chance with the Zune HD (which only has a few dozen really pathetic apps) and dealing with MS tech support.Instinctually avoid anything MS if i can. Not to mention,none of their phones have specs as good as the best Android or IOS phones.The fact that MS doesnt even want to compete with the iphone should tell you something.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 08:44

34. ThreeFourSeven (Posts: 34; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)

Everybody who comes to read news and reviews on Phone Arena, are probably not your average customer when it comes to smartphones. I think WP7 is trying to target a market that's already dominated by Apple with trying to make a smartphone simple. Plus, I personally don't think the tiles is an eye catcher to the average customer.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 08:58

35. phonton (Posts: 65; Member since: 27 Dec 2011)

lol... BADA units sold more than Microsoft Windows phone :D

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 09:03

36. phonton (Posts: 65; Member since: 27 Dec 2011)

Even Apple's products are over priced. It is all in the people's head. It's wrong for people to comment on an OS without even trying it out. I have used both iOS and a WP7. I made a switch from an iphone to a windows phone. I was pissed off when I was not able to make a call holding the iphone in hand! lol Fanboys.. Nothing can be done to change their mind. Brainwashed guys lol :D :P

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 09:40 2

38. depeche (Posts: 63; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)

Love the Samsung Focus and would consider getting the Focus S, however, know they are pushing out LTE ready devices in the next couple of months... not on contract nor will I sign a contract with AT&T and Would like to go back to T-Mobile.. If they can produce a device that has 4" screen...

T-Mobile has the HTC HD7(old) and the Radar 4G

Sprint has the HTC Arrive(old)

Verizon has the HTC Trophy(old)

AT&T has multiple selections from 2010 and Current Releases

Would love to see MORE phone on MORE carriers ! !

Microsoft needs to push a unit out to every Carrier every Quarter in order to keep up stop producing mid-level devices.. last years devices are just that and at a bargain...

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