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Older Apple devices won’t get all iOS 7 features: is fragmentation lurking in?

0. phoneArena 11 Jun 2013, 09:24 posted on

Apple has taken great pride in its non-fragmented iOS ecosystem. At least, it has presented it that way, trying to make the point that Android in contrast…

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posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:27 38

1. _Bone_ (Posts: 2137; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


No Windows Phone and Android features for the iPhone 3G? :"-(

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:51 10

11. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)


nevermine...
they can jailbreak >> go to >> cydia >> manage >> add source >> ios7
lol...

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 10:42 3

29. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)


Why? You can have it all and much more without warranty void with Android :-)

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 10:47 1

31. techspace (Posts: 765; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


why would such an old iphone still have any warranty...and if u restore the iphone no one can tell that it was jailbroken
and android has rooting...android has some freedom but you get full freedom only on jailbroken idevices and rooted droids

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 13:19 1

64. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


And if you are like the rest of us who read the user agreement, "rooting" is grounds for the carrier to terminate the contract.

I have an old PC running XP and I still get free updates.

I plan to upgrade to iOS 7 for free for my iPad 2 and iPad Mini.

I have an android smartphone, and Google does not allow me to upgrade my OS in the same vein as MS OS or iOS --- why is that?

Why does Google abridge my rights under the First Sale Doctrine when it comes to "freely" upgrading my androd OS?

You always read about the android community telling everyone how much better android OS versus other OS, yet when it comes down to the most basic benefit of the END USER "freely" updating the OS, Google's android is stuck in the stone ages.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 13:42 1

66. guest (Posts: 106; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)


The only thing stuck in the stone ages is iOS which will finally get the same software features that Android users have a enjoyed for a couple years now ;-) I had a HTC Mytouch 4g that is 3 years old that had just about every "new" feature in iOS 7 except for air drop aka wifi direct. Oh it was able to view flash content :-) Google does not discourage rooting and roming they actually encourage it. That's why the Nexus devices are so easy to modify. The mfg are to blame since they only have limited resources to update all of the phones they sell. Samsung has been pretty good about updating their flagship models as far back as the Galaxy S2. Besides its quality of the updates not quantity. How many versions of iOS have been released just to catch up to the features of a 3 year old Android flagship device running Gingerbread version 2.3? Has anyone else noticed a lot of the graphics and fonts are very similar to the HTC One? I have the One and it is laughable how many things look the same sans the pastel color scheme. Perhaps you should do some opposition research and ponder a bit before posting, it might help open your eyes :-)

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 14:46 1

72. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


Nexus devices are on life support.. and the % of people running the latest Android version is what again?.... please you accept the facts..

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 15:38 5

74. willard12 (Posts: 861; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


The people running android 2.3 have almost all of the features above in some form. Isn't it bad when someone running an outdated version of Android has all of the features of the latest version of iOS, and then some? Welcome to toggles!!!

posted on 12 Jun 2013, 06:54

110. Leo_MC (Posts: 578; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)


I don't believe you have ever used a 3 year old Android device - like G2, HTC Desire and Droid X all running Froyo - because you wouldn't have said what you just said.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 15:52 2

76. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Carriers lock phones, not OEMs.

This is one heckuva skewed argument for iOS (a closed system) being more open than android (an open source system which anyone can compile). I actually have to give you credit for trolling this hard.

posted on 12 Jun 2013, 03:33

108. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


maxican16:

You made a statement that is factually incorrect - you stated "carriers lock phones, not OEMs".

I just finished the search and your comment contradicts the events of Samdung's Galaxy S2. After selling about 10 million units of the S2, Samsung announced it would not be updating the OS and gave a bullsh*t excuse about problems with its hardware.

Here is a case of the OEM locking the software update. Clearly, you are wrong about the role OEMs play.

Because Samdung faced so much backlash from its announcemnet, it eventually changed its tune.

posted on 12 Jun 2013, 15:52

113. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


I actually meant to say "Carriers lock phones, not _Google_." But I'm talking about the locking of bootloaders. Which you would know if you knew anything about android phones. In your example, you stated Samsung wouldn't update the SGS2, and then you said they reneged that and updated the phone. Great argument. That, by the way, has nothing to do with locking phones.

If I had to correct every single factually incorrect statement you've made, I wouldn't get anything done at work! Haha. Look, you're simply a fanboy and there's no way I will be able to penetrate your thick skull with logic. You still have nothing to say about Apple's fragmentation because you just won't admit it. I feel bad for you.. I used to be closed minded too. Then I grew up and realized people will like what they like and that's that. But you could at least stop the name calling and the racial profiling... you know, stop being such an a$$hat.

That being said, I honestly hope you enjoy your new to you features.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 23:09 1

99. protozeloz (Posts: 5379; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


So your old PC running XP got a free upgrade to windows 8? Or your Mac is going to get a free upgrade to mavericks? Oh please that was a lame argument

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 23:41

101. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)


you simply lie, manufacturer of the phone doesn't allow you to upgrade (not Google), you brainwashed ;)
so you say that your XP gets free updates to W8? :-D

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 16:24 1

81. xmusicianguy (Posts: 96; Member since: 13 Jul 2011)


I just put on memory card on my Maxx HD. Then navigate to file and install. I don't even have to be rooted or you all like to say Jailbreak.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 19:41

86. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


In the old days, we called it partitioning the hard drive.

xmusicianguy, nothing you said addresses the fact you can't get direct updates from Google, especially if you have a prepaid smart phone.

I understand Google is changing this stance with it's version of HTC One et al, but the fact Goigle is doing this means it knows there's a problem.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 22:18

90. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Simple response so you'll understand: Google is not the manufacturer of every android phone. Therefore it is not their responsibility to update phones they have not put their label on. At least do a little research before criticizing for all the wrong reasons.

Face the facts: Apple is fragmented as well. Else why is the mini getting features the superior iPad 3 isn't?

posted on 12 Jun 2013, 03:03

104. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


maxican16: Why is it so hard for you to understand MicroSoft is not the manufacturer of PC's yet the end-user still gets updates from MS.

Last time anyone checked Google owns android.

Your argument is simply nonsense.

posted on 12 Jun 2013, 06:34

109. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


First of all, your comparing PCs to mobile phones.. really? The OS and ecosystems are apples and oranges. Secondly, in the mobile world, OEMs take android and "skin" it; they apply changes to the framework of the source code that fundamentally changes the code. It is no longer stock. Therefore, they are now responsible for updating the system. Not Google. Google is not a hardware manufacturer. Apple has full control if hardware and software and still sees fragmentation. You just can't accept that fact. Good day.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 11:51 6

45. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Hahaha "Fragmentation"™

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 12:53 3

59. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3997; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


This isn't fragmentation. Those devices are actually getting the update. The features won't work well with the outdated hardware in the devices.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 13:45 6

67. sorcio46 (Posts: 407; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)


Actually is fragmentation, the number in the settings doesn't matter, you don't upgrade for the numbers, but for the features that it will offer ;-)

iOS is fragmented too! :D
Actually in Android is lower cause even the "old" Nexus S got the full JB experience with Google Now ;-)

NAILED IT!

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 13:55 2

69. Hallucinator (Posts: 344; Member since: 24 May 2010)


The fact that you said "NAILED IT!" proves you in fact did not nail it.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 14:17 2

70. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5490; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Seems that you are incompetent.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 22:07 1

89. iushnt (Posts: 724; Member since: 06 Feb 2013)


Now you come to know what future proof specs are.. Apple keep those specs which just works and are not much future proof.. Even gs2 got premium suite upgrade

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 23:59

102. vincelongman (Posts: 1562; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Seriously?
Do only the latest generation of Apple devices have Wi-Fi, because AirDrop is transferring via Wi-Fi, like Wi-Fi Direct.
Also do only the latest generation of Apple devices have CPUs strong enough to handle Camera filters.
I could go on, but nuf said.

Obviously Apple isn't allowing some features on older devices to pressure people to buy their latest generation.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 19:05

83. YellowSmileY (Posts: 7; Member since: 10 Nov 2011)


LOL.....

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:33 12

2. RiseAgainst94 (Posts: 280; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)


Why would the Iphone 4 not get Panorama? That's bewildering.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 10:00 8

15. Reverence (Posts: 224; Member since: 16 Jul 2012)


aaa.......because its apple!
And what happens if they are not giving, Cydia gives and if someone is tooo idiot he can download panorama app from their 900,000 apps

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 10:07 9

16. gustavoace (Posts: 104; Member since: 13 Nov 2012)


Apple uses the all device update to hide its fragmentation. If you have a iphone 3gs or 4, you cant use all iOs features, but you are in fact running iOs 6. And them they show that pie graph with almost no fragmentation... Thats how Apple does business, with lies

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 11:17 2

40. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)


Soooooooo TRUE!!!
lmfao

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 10:23 3

23. noim1 (Posts: 297; Member since: 15 May 2012)


The iPhone did not have fragmentation before because it did not have many handsets .but now that they do have ,see what happens .and its only 4 or 5 devices..And they say that Android is the one..FYI Android has thousands of different devices with many different Hardware so fragmentation is possible..

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 10:44 7

30. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)


iOS has always been inferior..... sorry for the truth

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:34 4

3. Topcat488 (Posts: 1170; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)


Dang it... the iphone 4 is practically out dated... Thats (a) bad Apple!

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 10:10 5

19. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Its almost 4 yrs old yes it is out dated. How long do you expect a phone to last. Damn boy

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 10:50 4

33. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


If by 4, you mean 3, then you would be correct. That said, it is old by today's technology standards. I'm guessing there was disappointment among those with upgrades with no new idevice announced.

I know was disappointed there wasn't anything announced at Google I/O. But after all it was a developer's conference, and Google did a great job of making sure it was geared towards that.

Apple, on the other hand, resorted to calling people out, while simultaneously shedding little to no information on new developer tools. Regardless of what people want to think, iOS7 is all about playing catch up to the rest of the field.

And they lifted ideas from everywhere.

This is why I cannot stand their litigious nature and way they go about business. How can they seriously be so adamant about suing everyone under the sun when they are guilty of the same tactics???

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 10:58 2

37. bucky (Posts: 1557; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


It's actually 4 years old this summer and best part is its still run smoother than android.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 12:41 6

55. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Release date: 24 June 2010.

Spoken like a true fanboy. Apple would be proud. .........That you are so easy to fool.

posted on 12 Jun 2013, 03:08

105. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


maxican16:

You need to discern "actual basis" versus "calendar basis".

On a calendar basis, it's 4 years: 2010 being the first year, 2011 being the second year, 2012 being the third year, and the 2013 being the fourth year.

posted on 12 Jun 2013, 08:04

111. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


These are mobile phones, not cars.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 13:55 4

68. Feanor (Posts: 317; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)


It's easy to run smooth when you are so light in features...

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 12:52 1

58. Hallucinator (Posts: 344; Member since: 24 May 2010)


They never announce the iphone at the wwdc. This is nothing new.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 15:57 1

78. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Ah, didn't know. But makes sense.. it is a developers conference after all, which was my point. Thanks for the info.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 12:56

61. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


The litigious nature is because companies like Samdung steal IP. It takes an Apple to take on a copyist like Samdung.

Second, because Apple is secretive, unless you work there, you have no idea what Apple has worked on or not.

Thirds, as a general comment, you can't patent ideas per se.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 15:45 3

75. willard12 (Posts: 861; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


Can you name something (any 1 thing) invented by Apple that was stolen? This does not include apps that they bought or things they STOLE like slide to unlock. It's a little ironic that you're bringing up the "copy" charge in an article about iOS 7 considering all of thes thing that apple "adopted."

posted on 12 Jun 2013, 03:11

106. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


willard12, did you not read the summary judgement against Samdung?

I think not.

If you had read the summary, then answering your question is a fool's errand.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 16:04 3

79. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Samdung??

Your fanboyism precludes you from having rational arguments.

Did you not see how much Apple lifted from everywhere? What goes around comes around. BUT, not everyone cries about it like Apple. Most are mature enough to avoid the crass remarks ("thermonuclear war" and the like), and brave enough to let the products stand on their own.

Seeing as though you didn't add anything to the discussion anyhow I'll happily move on. Have a good one.

posted on 12 Jun 2013, 03:15

107. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


mexican16: I am a patent holder; even I "lifted" from someone.

In my patent filing, I referenced the idea that was "lifted" and was still awarded my patent as required by established patent practice.

There is nothing in the patent law that precludes one from patenting on an existing idea. I just built a better mousetrap, lifting ideas from previous mousetraps.

posted on 12 Jun 2013, 08:06

112. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Let's say you truly are a patent holder (stranger things have happened). You had to reference and give credit where it was due to obtain your patent. You couldn't claim it was all original. Spouting off words that skew the point don't win arguments.

I know guys like you, I see them in my industry all the time... you divert and distract and never really say or accomplish anything of value.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 12:29 1

54. tedkord (Posts: 5088; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


It may have come out over 3 years ago, but they are still selling them new (or giving them free on contract), and indications are they're making up a large percentage of iPhone sales in the US.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:36 7

4. gaurang (Posts: 94; Member since: 16 Nov 2012)


whats the reason for the 4 and 4s for not getting filters....no like its an cpu intensive task

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:37 10

5. Whateverman (Posts: 3231; Member since: 17 May 2009)


iOS has been fragment since iOS 6 when they told us original iPad owners no more updates. And does app support count? Because there are certain apps you can not download on the original iPad either because of hardware restrictions. Doesn't that also qualify as fragmentation?

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:47

10. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3022; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


Does this also mean we are going to see Apple devices taking part in the super-hardware race to the finish like which does not exist?

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:57 6

13. icyrock1 (Posts: 305; Member since: 25 Mar 2013)


There are also apps that the iPhone 4 can't play or open.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 10:13 6

21. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Was gonna say the same thing. My son has an ipod 4 touch and a lot of the new games wont play on it and lock up his device. Its been like this at least a year. Apple needs to stop lying to its customers.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 22:50 1

98. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Exactly.

"Older Apple devices won’t get all iOS 7 features: is fragmentation lurking in?"

Lurking in? Its been here for a few years now...its just that many ppl like to throw fragmentation at Android and Android only.

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:37 5

6. jsdechavez (Posts: 708; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


Apple only wants those still holding on to their old iDevices to switch..

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:37 8

7. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)


Older Apple devices won’t get all iOS 7 features: is fragmentation lurking in?
YES!!!

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:40 5

8. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)


'Older Apple devices won't get all iOS 7 features: is fragmentation lurking in?'

iFragmentAtion ftw !!!!

Will the new iTunes still work on older Apple devices??

posted on 11 Jun 2013, 09:43 8

9. VZWuser76 (Posts: 1754; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


I don't get how this is new. Everytime they bring out a new version of iOS, some models (usually 2 back and older) don't receive 1/4 to 1/3 of the features. One of my nephews got an ip4 weeks before the 4s came out. People always ask him about Siri, but he never got it. This happens with any OS, some of the new features are due to a hardware upgrade, and there are no ways around it. I believe the reason Siri didn't happen for the ip4 was something to do with the type of mics. But you can't really call out other companies when you have the same thing happening in your product catalog.

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