Now that we have iPhone 5, would the next big thing be a new Nexus phone from Google?
0. phoneArena 13 Sep 2012, 09:53 posted on
The Apple iPhone 5 is out and it’s a solid upgrade all over - bigger, 4-inch screen, 4G LTE and 2x faster processor and graphics…
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101. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
So HTC, Sony, Sammy and LG can all cry NEPOTISM!? Google is savvier than that. It's enough that the new crop of Motos are nearly stock. At least you can disable the inevitable bloatware.
121. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7407; Member since: 14 May 2012)
These are some words I thought I'd never hear from you...
132. kingpet13 (Posts: 139; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
I would love a quad core 1.5 ghz Motorola razor nexus. But even with dual core it would probably be my favorite nexus as long as it has good battery like the Max. Motorola's phones are almost always high quality. Phones.
65. rusticguy (Posts: 2819; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Looks like PA is walking more than an extra mile to promote iPhone. Look at opening para of this article ... the spam is so evident.
77. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1552; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
ikr, "solid upgrade all over" give me a f**king break
72. MrWilli5 (Posts: 72; Member since: 13 Feb 2011)
i wish htc, samsung, motorola joined forces to create the nexus beast
73. MrWilli5 (Posts: 72; Member since: 13 Feb 2011)
samsung- screen display
82. imkyle (Posts: 970; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)
I would like to see a Nexus phone from Motorola.
84. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
STOP SAYING THE A6 IS A MUTHAF@#@$ A15 CHIP WITHOUT AN OUNCE OF EVIDENCE!!!!
134. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
do you have evidence it is? if not. then shush.
86. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Heres how I think the shakedown between the "3 nexus's" would end up if its these 3 companies
1 - Samsung. The successor to the GN..the GN2 will sport the RGB 720p HD pentile screen of the Note2, still buttonless, and even further reduced bezel. you have a 50/50 chance of a 4412 or an Exynos5 dual.. however I'd put my money on the 4412 since its not a "samsung flagship" and they dont want to take away from the SGS3/Note2. Basically its going to be a beautiful black screen and not much else. And there is nothing wrong with that at all.. (kinda gets me moving actually). It will spot up to 8mpx and probably be on par with the SGS3's optics. 1.5-2gb of ram. It wont be "top end", but it will be close.
2- Sony. Much like samsung does, I expect sony's Nexus to still look like a sony. For fans of Xperia's design, thats gonna be a big +. I'd bet money that this nexus has a button or 2 on the front face. Since Sony doesnt have a lot to lose at this point, I'd side with the prediction of them throwing on a darn nice camera on this Nexus to differentiate just like the writer thinks. Sony isnt known for pushing hardware envelopes, so Id expect a dual krait or dual krait pro in here at best with 1-1.5gig of ram.
3- LG. LG has 2 big hang ups.. its in a lot of trouble thus is willing to do whatever it takes to be noticed, and they also spend a lot of time taking cues from Samsung. LG is also missing a "big name flagship" unlike the other 2 guys, so that gives them some freedom. They also desperately want to best samsung at their own hardware game. I think the LG will be the "monster" Nexus. Its going to go for the Krait Quad Pro and 2 gig ram. Slap on the nicest screens they can make and an 8-12mpx camera (hopefully with good optics/software) and you got yourself the monster dark horse looking for a fight. If there is an A15 available to use that isnt Samsung based (like Ti OMAP for example), LG is gonna be the one to use it. They want your attention.. they want it bad.
That's my guess. If I'm even 75% right, for me the ones to watch will be Samsung and LG if your a power nut like I am. The king and the contender. Those who want stock and are a shutterbug will gravitate to the Sony most likely. The biggest success will be the one that gets the most XDA love which helps continue a phone's life exponentially.. even a Nexus. Samsung already has a huge advantage there, but that doesnt mean that cant change.
97. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3882; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I don't think the Samsung Nexus will have the Exynos 4412 or the Exynos 5. They didn't give the Galaxy Nexus an Exynos, so why would they this time around? I agree with everything else though. I just wish they would include HTC and Motorola into the mix... I want stock Jelly Bean and immediate updates either on a well designed HTC or an equally well designed Motorola with great antennae.
They'll all probably have either OMAP 5s or S4 Pro duals (slight chance on quad), 4.5-4.8 inch RGB 720p displays (S-LCD 2, IPS LCD, and SA; maybe ColorBoost), and 1.5-2 GB RAM. Sony's will have the better camera of the bunch, and LG will be trying it's hardest to shell out the best option.
100. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Given that the OMAP4 was the benchmark chipset for the GNex, do we expect Google to stick with the OMAP4 again? We haven't seen many applications of the OMAP 4470 yet, but it could be quite formidable with its dedicated 2D core and faster SGX544 graphics core. (I call it a quad-core by technicality - two A9 cores and two graphics cores).
I know it's a great performer, but must we see another damn 1.5 Ghz MSM8960? Whatever happened to competition?
103. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3882; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
TI showed off the OMAP 4470 as 50% faster than the 4460, so that should be a nice improvement over the current OMAP in the Galaxy Nexus. Though there is a nice chance that they'll use an OMAP 5430 with the PowerVR SGX544 MP2.
I certainly hope it wouldn't be an MSM8960, but an MSM8960T with the Adreno 320, then it would be acceptable; the S4 is kind of getting old now, I'm tired of seeing it in every device. Mix it up a little with a new GPU.
104. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the OMAP 4 is a completely outclassed chip now. There will be ZERO chance of it's return. An OMAP5 has a small chance of being used if its ready by then, but that would most likely be used by LG trying to get a leg up on Samsung.
102. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Because the GN was LTE. The Exynos 3 series was not LTE capable in america. Carriers want LTE/HSPA+42mb/s. Just be thankful they used the Omap over the S3 crapdragon. This phone also came out before any phone with 4412 did, and Samsung is not going to launch their prized chip in a non Flagship phone, which would "cheapen" the launch of the flagships. I mentioned that exact point in my guestimation. Hence why I dont think we will see an Exynos5 Dual A15 in it either.
The 4412 is now used in multiple phones so it no longer has that prized flagship need. Anything less than a 4412 (or a 4212 at absolute bare minimum) is going to be a fail. Samsung says they finally got the Exynos/LTE issues taken care of and there is a very large chance the US Note2 will continue to use the Exynos, so it increases the chances of that chip being used exponentially.
107. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3882; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Question Remix, if the 4412 outclasses the S4, would the S4 Pro with it's new GPU close the gap? Or just make it smaller, but the 4412 would still rule? Just wondering
133. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
The S4 Dual Pro closes the gap. The S4 Quad Pro is enough to overtake the 4412 by anywhere from 10-20% in over all performance depending how real world benchmarks come out. The CPU is still inferior, but the GPU is more advanced. When Samsung drops the A15 based Exynos 5 dual, then the king reverts back to Samsung. We still dont know when that's gonna happen though.
141. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3882; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Ah, ok, thanks. Also, didn't Samsung say they only intend the Exynos 5 to be used in tablets? I know they said the same for the S4 Pro, but Samsung looks like it's sticking to its guns... The only device mentioned of having the Exynos 5 is that 11.6 inch tablet that was leaked.
Another question, which do you think will win in the battle of the A-15s, the OMAP 5, or the Exynos 5? Not just CPU, but GPU as well. Is the SGX544MP2 that will be in the OMAP 5 more powerful than the Mali-T604 in the Exynos? If so, will that put OMAP over top of Exynos?
153. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
They said it will launch in "tablets first" and then in phones. They say that the E5 quad is a "tablet only" chip, but who knows how long that will last.. if at all, especially with Qualcomm breaking the traditional timeline of 6 months or so between chip launches with the Krait, Krait pro, and the Krait pro quad right on top of the pro.
I had a small hope that tablet could turn into phablet and thus we would see the E5 in the note2, but obviously that didnt happen.
From what I've seen from both, the CPU on the Exynos should be stronger by a smidge, but we havent seen anything from TI in a bit so that could change. Your really looking at very similar sister CPU's that will probably be different more in their manufacturing technology (Samsung uses HKG+ tech, I dont think Texas Instruments does) than the chip itself. The GPU is a whole nother monster. Without pulling up specs and directly comparing, if I remember the PowerVR used in the Omap5 should be stronger than the mali604. However Samsung is set to use 3 or 4 different versions of the mali 6xx chip, so who knows if they wont switch that up, or do like Qualcomm did and run with the initial GPU and then change it up 6 months later to add more punch.
Either way both the Omap5 and the Exynos are going to be crazy powerful beyond anything we will need on the short term.
109. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I wonder though, would Google dictate the chipset for the three Nexuses? The whole point of the Nexus program was to showcase the state of the art. We had this whole discussion back before the GNex release, how they HAD to use an Exynos, how it would be a fail if they didn't, etc. And in the end, Google didn't pick the newest chipset, they picked the one that showcased ICS. It didn't need to be the fastest, it needed to be fast enough.
That's why I'm not expecting an Exynos, and definitely not an OMAP5. I don't think OMAP5 is ready yet, as it's set to be 2 GHZ, while the 4470 is 1.5-1.8 Ghz. I'm guessing either S4 or OMAP 4470.
142. jan25 (Posts: 383; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)
i am betting on a dual-core A-15 based chipset, S4 being the most likely one. willing to say 75% chance of Nexus sporting the S4. it's good, popular and available.. perfect for a the Galaxy Nexus 2. not sure about the other OEMs since an S4 Xperia Nexus would put it in par with the company's flagship.
88. DonkeySauce (Posts: 154; Member since: 03 Dec 2011)
No, the next big thing is already here.. The Galaxy S III!
91. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)
106. joseg81 (Posts: 164; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
i thought they said 5 devices where going to be branded nexus from 5 different manufactures for the 5 years of android or am i the only one that heard that?
110. joseg81 (Posts: 164; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
i couldn't edit my prior comment...
127. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
joseg81 o boy i keep laughing at ur avatar its so funny.
118. shnibz (Posts: 153; Member since: 18 Sep 2011)
I love Motorola build quality. I just want Moto with pure android.
130. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
If no wireless charging, no puremotion hd+, no pureview camera, no next big thing.
151. avinashmunnu (Posts: 14; Member since: 07 Feb 2012)
Please Google... Release The Next Nexus With Samsung Only.. Please Dont Come Up wit Crappy LG And HTC
155. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6141; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
XPERIA NEXUS WITH PLAYSTATION CERTIFIED. HTC/Samsung already have their chance let someone else make it. I want SONY because they never have a problem with a lawsuit and they make the sexiest designs. and PLEASE SAKE LET IT be on ALL CARRIERS for once not VERIZON or SPRINT not fair for the rest of us that doesn't want to spend 300-400$ on a phone
157. Baracus (Posts: 3; Member since: 15 Sep 2012)
Nexus phones never have external memory so I'd never buy one.
And all you get with a Nexus is the latest OS maybe a few months early and 1 major selling feature like a bigger screen but all the other specs are deliberately worse than the equivalent phone from the same manufacturer, so i just don't get what people see in Nexus phones when they always so flawed.