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Not will, but should Android ICS beat the iPhone 5 to market?

0. phoneArena 13 Aug 2011, 12:30 posted on

There has been a lot of buzz about the next version of Android - Ice Cream Sandwich - between word that Google is trying to rush out the OS update before iPhone 5 hits the market, and some leaked photos allegedly showing ICS, but the real question is: Should Google even be trying to beat the iPhone 5 to market?

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posted on 14 Aug 2011, 09:52 1

81. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


my fanboyism? I thought i made a pretty factual statement EN. Maybe my final comment on apple screamed "fanboy comment", but nothing in the actual blurb was from a fanboy point of view. As I've had to point out to taco a dozen times, i am not an android fanboy. They are simply the best for my needs at this moment. When something better comes a long, i will use it. Ive used every OS out there for the most part. I am neither iSheep or an android fanboy. It just seems that way because I have to constantly defend myself to blind iSheep who think if you dont love iOS you must be an android nut.

can you tell me all these neat features that iOS5 is going to have that gingerbread/ICS isnt going to have? youve said that without ever explaining what they are.


You completely missed the point of my blurb with your iSheep colored glasses. My whole point is that ICS doesn't need to be rushed to compete with iOS5 because iOS5 isnt in competition anymore. Gingerbread is already the king of the hill with features so iOS5 is challenging that. Rushing ICS is a mistake and a needless one at that.
I actually have very little knowledge about what ICS is bringing to the table other than merging gingerbread and honeycomb together. But judging by what iOS5 is bringing to the table so far, its still catching up to android 2.1 Eclair much less trying to challenge 2.3 Gingerbread or going all the way to ICS.


You didnt actually read my blurb at all did you??? LOL... I was disagreeing with parts of the article that I felt missed on a few points. durka durka.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 09:56 1

82. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


and as far as domination is concerned. If you go by sales.. android wins. if you go by apps, apple wins but just barely. For all the hubub about app makers preferring iOS, the android market has almost over taken the apple market.

People on either side can try to spin it either which way. But the bulk of civilization will say "40% market for android to 18% market for iOS, wow apple is getting their butt kicked"

And concidering the $50 iphone 3gs is selling as much as the iphone4 u cant really make the arguement about "cheap android phones". thats all just fanboy talking points.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 15:40

102. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Oh I read your entire post. I didn't comment because I left that up to Android users to disagree or disagree, but Android users are more critical of iOS than they are of their own operating system. Sad. I'm sure with the way phones like the Nexus S and Nexus One were advertised, they weren't released merely to set the pace because they were both marketed heavily as The next "Google Phone." But I do agree with you, 500,000 ain't to shabby.

Yes android is leading by activations. Big surprise. I mean, there's only 50 new android handsets released every week. Is it not expected that PCs are sold more than Macs? A 2+ year $50 iPhone 3Gs is not the same deal as a free myTouch 4G or a buy one get one free BOGO deal with the Droid3, Droid X, or Incredible, so yes those arguments still most definitely apply. Who cares if the android market will have more apps. Quantity isn't the major problem with Android Market, its quality. I always say that iPhone has better apps, not more. Don't forget that live wallpapers and all the beautiful clock widgets are included in the Android Market application count.

But deviating back to the topic (I really don't feel like doing this iOS5 vs. Android OS because I'm sure in the next couple of weeks there will be plenty of opportunity to do so), the #1 thing out of the very few features ICS brings that I really want to see is how it will handle the applications. Maybe this will fix all the errors like "Doesn't work with me device - Droid X" or "Not optimized for my phone - Evo". Or maybe it will make these problems worse. We shall see.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 20:49

115. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Android users are plenty critical of their own system. Find me some iOS users on this forum that talk any negativity about their system. Get taco, gemini, or miz (or tacos 5 fake accounts) to say 5 negative things about iOS.. then maybe that sentiment wont be so hollow.

The nexus devices didnt have much marketing at all. Any advertising was mostly word of mouth and viral. Its not like they had a "magical" campaign or took over the superbowl with adds like other phones.

Are you mad that CARRIERS push the android system and push its adoption by giving it away? You act as if google is doing it. No, its the carriers. Why? because thats what the bulk of people want... its where carriers are making their money. Your acting as if somehow iOS is superior because ATT doesnt have a random bogo deal on an iphone. How does that even factor into the equasion?
Know what the best selling phone in my store is? The galaxyS. You know what its been since last july? The galaxyS. Its been $250 and its now $100. It sells well at all price points, even when others are on sale. Phones dont always sell well because they are cheap. Phones also sell well because they are great devices. The Tmobile GalaxyS doesnt even have a flash on its camera, and its the best selling version of the GS in America.

Quality isnt a problem in the android market. Not like it once was. With the market's new sorting and highlighting of apps, its much easier to find the good stuff... and theres a ton of new good stuff. Has it been an issue? Yea it definately has. Is it getting better? exponentially. Does iOS have some development teams like Epic and Id that I'd like to see cross over to android? Double heck yea.

The problem has been its fragmentation. Since most devices are sold now with gingerbread and most of the major devices (except for the galaxyS.. wtf Samsung!?!) have gotten the update, fragmentation is wiping itself out. Since the last major 3d update was in 2.2 that puts the bulk of devices in good standing with developing high quality games. Since most people are choosing higher quality android phones, there are less cheap phones on the market.

What was once a huge issue is going to soon become a closed chapter.

look, an android user talking about an android problem.. crazy, aint it?


I dont know how ICS is supposed to fix compatibility errors since its a new OS. Apps will have to be updated to be properly compatable with it. All OS's go through that issue when a major update comes through. Once the update schedule becomes more yearly most of the problems will settle themselves in time.

In the end you will have a stable, open, heavily customizable system vs a stable, closed, lightly customizable system. The choice is up to the end user.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 23:24

125. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


This time I didn't read your whole comment, lol but hey you're right about Samsung Nexus S. It didn't have those crazy DroidDoes commercials during superbowl like the OG Droid did, but there were still advertisements. But hey that doesn't really even matter. I'm sure we both don't really care.

Most iPhone users will admit that IPhone needed multitasking and notifications. Ask me what I hate about iPhone, and I'll list them out like I've always done. Everything on Android (market, OS fluidity, battery) is "not that bad," "much better than it was before," "nothing to complain about," "gets the job done at least." all the cop-outs you can imagine, lol.

But skipping to the end, you will have a somewhat stable applications and OS (gets the job done at least), heavily customizable system vs a very stable, very uncustomizable system. We've both made our choices.

And of course I'm not mad about free phones. I'm not crazy haha. But it's important to keep those numbers in perspective is all.

posted on 15 Aug 2011, 07:12

133. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its not perspective as much as it is a totally different ball game. might as well compare the knicks to the giants to see who's better. Apple is going for profit per device. Android is going for market domination and residuals through advertisements.

and u skipped my whole section on fragmentation.. wah! lol

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 06:53 1

80. iwebdroidberry7 (Posts: 230; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


Why did you have to ruin a perfectly logical, well thought out post with your fanboyism at the end? Its pathetic honestly. What makes you any less of a sheep than people who love Apple? I have literally NEVER heard you say anything ill of Google.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 10:00 1

83. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


negative about google?
they have a lot of half baked apps and programs that they put out in "beta" and then never support.

of course, thats also a positive because it shows they are full of ideas.. just not all of them worked.. lol so it depends on how you look at it.


Tell me all the negative things google has done and I'll see if I agree with you.. how about that? Google has a mantra of "do no evil" and for the bulk of it, they stick to it. Everyone messes up and does stupid crap, but when you concider the competition in MS and Apple and all the crap they do... your right.. google does come out smelling pretty good.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 15:27

11. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


good facts now thats what im talking about

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 15:54

12. rican (Posts: 132; Member since: 02 Jul 2011)


Great Article very informative and real, just one minor issue, correct me if im wrong but Apple doesnt make their own hardware.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 16:13

16. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Apple doesn't make the parts, but they design the devices and control the production process. And, obviously, they don't license the OS, so there's just one iPhone.

Google doesn't make any hardware, and they don't really design anything either. They work with manufacturers for Nexus devices, and have input on features of the phone, but not the total control of Apple.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 17:20 1

21. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


technically, theres 2. the 3gs and iphone4 are both currently still manufactured and sold. Soon there will be 3 with the launch of the iphone5 unless they discontinue the 3gs (which i figured would end up being the prepay phone if that rumor came true)

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 16:02

14. carlos (unregistered)


I look at several of the pictures and I see the Attix 4G with ice cream sandwich, as far as I know Atrix just got GB, and ICS is underway already!

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 16:39

17. Irad123 (Posts: 32; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


Even when Appke launch iphone 7, Android will be more advanced, so I don't care - Even though I would like a software update right now

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 16:46

18. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Good article. I would like that Google takes some serious points in consideration otherwise they may loose market share. Lets begin with a semi lock to the Android market. Loves your idea about the "nexus skin" it will reduce the chances of becoming more fragmented since companies will have to go after the "skin package " to get their work done. You mention thus will make easier to run a skin on another device but its already being done anyways so manufacturers shouldn't get mad. Google needs to stand up and make their game much smoothly they have to walk at their own pace and stop trying to run side to side with apple. There are other ways to get to the finish line

My hopes will see a nexus device on every carrier as they where talking about that on the IO

OF TOPIC :
anyone here knows about flash animations? I would like to animate my Z-UI

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 16:59

19. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3109; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


ANDROID VS APPLE ROUND 2 FIGHT!!!!!!(INSERT MORTAL KOMBAT REFERENCE HERE)

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 17:21 3

22. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


can we have the katana vs sonja jello match now? :)

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 17:54

24. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3109; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


ok but only if mileena is the special guest ref. And uh...we can just cut her a black and white cloth to put over her mouth!

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 18:26

26. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


lol. send her to a dentist and have them things ripped out.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 17:31 1

23. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


I have always had the impression that Google android tries so hard to compete with iOS. More apparently in 2009. Apple iOS is in no doubt ahead of the game, and Google knows that very well. So what does Google do to compete with someone who's ahead of them? Create an impression that they've actually taken over the lead. And how are they able to achieve that? By working fast enough and release features before Apple does. Features they very well know that Apple is also working on as well.

Both iOS and android aren't perfect OSes, but iOS is definitely the more refined one. And why is that? Apple takes their time in refining their iOS, for their users AND developers. They have a stringent timeline in releasing their products, and they stick with it. Android doesn't. Android has this behavior of releasing major updates out sporadically, as their strategy to create an impression that they've released something ahead of the competition. While Apple is still continuing to refine similar features, patiently waiting for its appointed time of release. Which gives Apple more time to fix bugs before actually releasing a product, while Google has already released an android update which is actually still a work in progress (still beta). And what do android users get? Half-baked android updates that are incomplete, buggy and unstable. Not to mention frustrating for developers. But at least they can brag that they had it first.

Patience is a virtue. I'd rather wait a little while and get a high quality product, than have something first but half-baked. But then I do like my steak well-done, others like theirs medium rare :)

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 18:41 3

30. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I don't know. I'm always more impressed with the hardware advances from Apple than the software. I mean, iOS always feels less like a full OS and more just an app launcher. It's simple and clean, easy to learn, and easy to understand, but the real features are all in the apps.

Android is more messy, and not as pretty (in most iterations), but it also has a lot more capabilities, especially for power users.

As I said, Apple can easily keep to a schedule because they are the only one making the iPhone. Google should see it as a luxury that it can make sure things are ready before pushing them out, rather than try to meet some arbitrary competition.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 00:37

57. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Apple's homescreen is probably the the #1 reason why most Android users think iPhone is weak. Like you said, most of the power lies within the applications, which isn't necessarily a bad thing I don't think. I feel like Android feels more complete only because of the cover of the homescreen. The widgets, shortcuts, and moving wallpapers definitely add a new layer to Android that iPhone doesn't have, but I think that too much weight is put on things like that.

Android is definitely more messy and not as pretty. Clunky feels like a good word. Aesthetics are extremely important though and people seem to ignore that almost entirely. Everything on iPhone looks great and feels great, and everything on Android, not so much (and this is with experience).... I don't see how Google can themselves admit they are disappointed in their store but many Android users act as if everything is bliss. As a side note, that's one of the things that annoy me most about the Android community. They ridicule iOS5, and criticize the iPhone 4 for not innovating (despite its many innovations) and then when a phone like the Thunderbolt which brings no new features to the table whatsoever and an OS update like ICS comes along, nothing's wrong. In fact everything's right and perfect and revolutionary. End rant.

As for having a lot more capabilities, don't really know about that. Almost anything you can do on iPhone, you can do on an Android and vice versa give and take some features. But as far as I know (anyone feel free to correct or enlighten me) there's nothing specifically that would make someone drop their Windows, iOS, or Palm device and say "I've got to have Android". Trust me, if there was, I would have jumped on it cause I NEED to have what I think is the best device. Palm's multitasking was the closest thing to that, but they killed me with their app catalog. But I've used Android devices too many times and know too many people who use Android to have missed it.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 00:56 1

64. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Overall app UI is definitely at a higher level on iOS, and even WP7, but Android is getting better. It's always a slower road when you don't actually mandate a certain level of design like iOS and WP7 do.

Objectivity in all directions would be great to see, but we know better than to expect it from many. People love defending their choice regardless. As I've said before, there really is no "best" option, it's all opinion. My life is in Google products, so the integration and added features there is good enough for me to choose Android, but on top of that, I'm a guy who loves to tinker. So, the customization options on Android make it even better.

People will call it "stealing", but there is going to be a lot of "sharing of ideas" between the big guns, so it's hard to say any are really going to have any killer features over the others. Ultimately, it'll all be tied to your desktop choice. If you have a Mac or use iTunes a lot, iPhone is best. If you are deep in Windows and Microsoft products, WP7. And, if you live on the web in Google services, go Android. Eventually all other issues of apps and features even out.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 10:07 1

85. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


actually, i laughed at the thunderbolt. It was built on tech that was old last year and only added LTE. I really thought they would launch the first LTE phone with something more spectacular than a frikkin snapdragon chipset and a small battery.

still, im waiting for those iOS5 innovations that arent already on android or another competitor. please enlighten me. :)


3d Turn by turn talking GPS?, total voice control of the phone? integrated notifications? video chat over 3g? large file download over 3g, hotspot tethering for free, OTA updates, syncing to the cloud for free, syncing your music to the cloud for free no matter where it came from, auto sync of pics and contacts OTA, and a dozen other things that android has that iOS doesnt. Some of them they are giving in iOS5, some u still wont have.

If you used android on anything less than a hummingbird with EXT4 than you havent experienced the smooth and stable bliss that android really is. Yea, it requires some horsepower, but that is to be expected for all the things that its constantly doing that other OS's arent. Hell its the only major OS left that has real multitasking.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 19:58

34. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)


Of course they compete, just like all business' in the same market.

The difference in my opinion is that both Google and Apple watch each other and mimic good ideas and tech that fall with-in the goals and needs for their product. Sure after the first iOS version, Android was playing catch up, since they saw the success and needs of the consumer (which ALL smartphone makers at the time missed).

This is done in virtually ALL consumer markets, from cars to DVD players, homes and socks. All this "copy" crap is significantly over blown.

You are right iOS is more refined but has less features, and updates are slower. Apple is more deliberate, sacrificing OS "cutting edge" for stability. One could say at least at this point, Apple is looking at android more because they just have more opportunity to. Android only has 1-2 times a year to react to iOS. I am NOT saying that Apple doesn't come up with a ton of their own ideas... just the fact that Apple just has more opportunity to see what Android is doing and doing right in their opinion.

Android is pretty much the opposite, they try all sort of stuff and see what sticks. Thus bad idea happen and mistakes are made.

I strongly disagree that Google somehow "knows" what Apple is doing and is pushing "copies" to the market first to be called "creator". Apple is one of the most watched companies in the tech industry and they STILL can keep features, designs pretty much unknown until announcement day. Apple has INSANE policies to keep it's products under wrap. Sure leaks happen but lets be realistic, its usually only months before. Even Google doesn't update that fast.

The Notification system in iOS is a PERFECT example. I have had my OG droid for 2 years, and now iOS has implemented something very similar. I won't bash Apple for doing it, its a good idea imho. Apple will put their own spin on it for their customers. That is how progress is made in virtually EVERY other market. But if people start the "copy-caters" complain fest on Android I would be happy to bring it up.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 20:47 1

38. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


can u explain to me how iOS is ahead of the game? Like always its adding features years after the competition adds them. lets see... how long did it take for MMS, cut n paste, fake multitasking, folders, a decent camera, being able to do things without being tethered to wifi, and more to come out? Things that the competition had YEARS before the iphone. It couldnt even send a picture message.. i mean come on.

they are just now about to roll out widgets, customizable screens, voice commands, integrated notifications, and a bunch of other ANDROID long time niceties that android has had either since the start or since at least 2.1... 2 years ago.

How is that "ahead of the game". please explain.

BTW, google releases updates with new features that almost always work perfectly. Your confusion is when the manufactures get a hold of it and meddle with android with their UI's. That is why many prefer stock UI's so its a more stable experience.
iOS has had more than its share of update blunders. Its not immune. You just seem to want to forget those and focus on the competitions blunders.

No company is perfect and no software update is without its issues.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 03:32

74. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


"how long did it take for MMS"
I could send MMS with my sony Ericsson V800 from 2003 : )
iPhone is waay behind all the other OSes. Even WP7 has more features (or maybe not ?).

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 10:09

86. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


for now iOS has more features than WP7, but then again WP7 just launched this year. Give it like 2 updates and I'd be surpized if WP7 hasnt gone past whatever iOS is offering.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 12:16

94. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


You just can't help yourself but troll. Android is outselling the iPhone? Interesting that you'd compare an OS to a phone.

iOS 5 had added a lot of new features and quite a few are unique to Apple.

iCloud auto syncs pics and documents across devices
iTunes match is unique to Apple
Editing pics on the device
System wide dictionary
Location based reminders is pretty cool
Multitasking gestures.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 12:58

96. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


lol! you are pathetic taco, lets compare it from Android OS to iOS only on smartphones, no tabs, no iPods. This is because we're comapring Phone OSes against each other.

also,
iCloud- read google cloud
Editing pics on device-LMFAO!!!!! my 6 year old nephew's Nokia X2-01 (feature phone, like the iPhone) can do that.
System Wide Dictionary- you mean Spotlight search? yeah, tell that to google, king of searches.
Location based reminders? ok yeah, but i don't remember that in iOS 5?
Multi tasking gestures? read SGS2 and its gestures.( P.S how is it multi tasking if apple's multitasking is fake?)
so you can see Taco, i have completely decimated your post, which leaves you back on square 1, kissing Steve Jobb's Ass :D
have a nice time

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