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Not will, but should Android ICS beat the iPhone 5 to market?

0. phoneArena 13 Aug 2011, 12:30 posted on

There has been a lot of buzz about the next version of Android - Ice Cream Sandwich - between word that Google is trying to rush out the OS update before iPhone 5 hits the market, and some leaked photos allegedly showing ICS, but the real question is: Should Google even be trying to beat the iPhone 5 to market?

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posted on 14 Aug 2011, 14:51

101. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Wow you're an idiot. You want to compare OS to OS but only if we exclude the majority of devices that use iOS?

Spotlight search is not a dictionary

Apple's multitasking is fake? Seems to work fine to me unless you'd be upset there's no force closes and my battery lasts more than 6 hours.

Apple has put in built in photo editing functionality. Apple was also first to photo editing apps as well.



Notice how in my post I didn't bash android. I just posted some nice new features that android doesn't currently have. You and remix come back bashing Apple for no reason as usual.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 14:15 1

98. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


like normal, your clueless and vile,taco

icloud syncs pics? Wow, google has been syncing to picasa since probably android 1.5. Google+ also autosyncs to picasa as well.

itunes match? Yea its unique to apple because apple will only let you stream itunes songs. If you want to use non itunes songs u have to PAY for itunes match so they will stream it through iTunes.
With google you put up ANY music and listen to it ANYWHERE ON ANY DEVICE with a browser for FREE. :)

Editing pix? really? there have been apps for that on both platforms for quite a while. Ever hear of photoshop? lol

system wide dictionary? is that like universal search for android that u can search the entire phone for anything at any time? been there for quite a while.

gestures? Android has had them since android 2.0 or before.. lol.

location based ANYTHING, google has had for a while. reminders.. friend requests, map updates, all of it.


so again, tell me what iOS5 is bringing to the table that isnt already availible by a competitor.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 17:41

105. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2650; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Android will sync your photos and docs to Picasa and Google docs, not to mention your settings, contacts, calendar, and installed apps list for easy transfer to a new device. Also, all of these features existed in 3rd party services like Dropbox.

iTunes match existed before in services like Spotify.

Apple does push forward ahead of everyone when it comes to touch gestures, that's definitely right. I'd love to see more gesture support in Android. The only trouble is that many older phones can only recognize two touch points at a time.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 19:27

111. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


icloud is new in the fact it automatically syncs your pics and docs across devices without any user interaction necessary.

Google has cloud services but they don't do that. Besides to say Apple is copying cloud services is silly since they've had cloud services for years. They just weren't free.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 20:53

116. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


actually, like both of us just said, google services DO AUTOSYNC your contacts, pics, calandars, market apps, music, docs, and more instantly and automatically OTA. They have done that for quite some time.

reading comprehension.. one day u will figure it out.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 19:29

112. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Also spotify is that a part of a smartphone OS? If not then music match is unique to iOS.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 20:54

117. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


lol. so because iOS is doing it, now its new?? lol like usual, apple is copying everyone else and then suing them to keep eyes off apple.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 18:45

110. disgruntled payer to lawyers (unregistered)


no, apple takes a longer time to release their updates cause they're concentrating more on who and what to sue next. :)

take the lawsuits out and apple might be able to release updates at about the same frequency. take into mind again that while google creates and works on the update, even when they release it manufacturers have to refine it for their UIs, so you cannot totally blame google for sparodic update release. The updates for my brother's and my nexus phones has never been buggy, can't say the same about the manufacturers' updates for the other phones, but not to run them down..

just saying

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 18:16 2

25. Wow (unregistered)


This is silly even if ICS releases no one will get to use it. Android releases are terrible because no one gets it for a few months. I've never owned an iphone but at least everyone gets the same thing.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 18:43

31. asfaafa (unregistered)


That's the only thing i envy about the iPhone, i have a Droid Charge and I'm probably not going to be eligible to get this OS update for 2 years(when I get a new phone) but by that time there will be 2-3 more OS updates already released. Google said ICS is supposed to help with fragmentation and work on most devices but i'm a little skeptical...

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 18:33

27. urthatguy (Posts: 19; Member since: 22 Jun 2011)


who cares, jello or whatever they name the update after ICS will be out right after making ICS pointless. Google needs to put one version to every phone each year, not just new models. Pointless investing in droids, they are glitchy and fragmented. I dont care if you rooted your phone and versions are not an issue to you.


Sent from my Droid

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 19:05 1

32. Sniggly (Posts: 6697; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Very good article. Alan F. is funny, but I don't think he's of the caliber necessary to write important pieces like this.

The XOOM was plagued by many more issues than you listed, mostly having to do with no wifi only option at first, no lower memory option, and having completely s**tty marketing. The first DROID launched with incredible gusto, with at least a month of pure media saturation and an edgy, "we're here and we're here to kick some freakin' ass!" style of marketing. Apart from its Superbowl commercial, there was no hype built around the XOOM, and only in the last couple of months did it receive its own endcap in Best Buy and such.

You are totally right; Google would do so much better to not try to rush ICS out right now, because if they do they're going to underwhelm. I want to get the feeling I get looking at Honeycomb; namely "holy s**t this looks SO GODDAMN COOL!"

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 21:31

43. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


sniggs.. i respect ya man, but ya found the only picture of batman i've ever seen where he looks almost lavendar... lol Instead of him saying in a gruffy voice "I'm Batman", does he pitch up his voice and go "haaaaaaay im the batsie!!" lol :) :) :) :)

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 21:34

45. Sniggly (Posts: 6697; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Dude, did you take a closer look at the picture? He appears white when you look closer up, and it's because he's being bathed in a spotlight. It's from an early episode where he battles Man-Bat for the first time and has just been getting the s**t kicked out of him. He's tired, bleeding and torn, but he's still scowling and he escapes the police right after this screenshot. :D

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 21:49

46. Sniggly (Posts: 6697; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


But my picture is now that of a Japanese Man with No Name. Happy now? :D

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 22:00

47. Zniggly (banned) (Posts: 2; Member since: 13 Aug 2011)


your pic sucks

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 22:53 2

51. Sniggly (Posts: 6697; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Hooray! Another stalker!

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 00:50 1

61. Whateverman (Posts: 3187; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Hey Sniggly! What's with all the "Stans" you got all of a sudden?

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 00:52

62. Sniggly (Posts: 6697; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Dunno, dude. One, the guy I just made peace with in the other thread, got the idea from snaggly, who's the original clown. This guy is probably just another copycat.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 10:01

84. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2927; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


I have some dbag who bitches at me if I make compliments towards samsung. Apparently he takes it to heart as he is so outraged by it lol

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 23:42 1

126. E.N. (Posts: 2224; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


you should feel happy that you have followers. I'd love some, lol

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 10:12

87. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


lol... i did look close up. i couldnt really tell what it was from the small icons.. :) :)

good lord, taco created yet ANOTHER account? seriously taco, thats just sad sad sad.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 02:12

71. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Haha, this is getting funnier everey day : )

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 06:26

79. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Who are you ?

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 22:16

48. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I'm sorry are you saying the person who wrote this isn't a good enough writer for this topic?

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 22:53

50. Sniggly (Posts: 6697; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


No, actually. I was saying that Michael was the best person to write this article. Sorry, should've clarified.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 03:40 1

77. Sniggy (banned) (Posts: 1; Member since: 14 Aug 2011)


Hey sniggly.
This is PeterIfromsweden.
Just figured i would do you a favor and use up this "fake" account name so no other could impersonate you with this name : )
Don't worry, i won't use this fake account anymore, other than now just to let you know : )

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 19:30

113. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Do I see a love connection? Peter you're so devoted to Sniggly. Cute.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 20:16

114. Sniggly (Posts: 6697; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I think you're just jealous that I've made friends here and you haven't, Taco.

I mean, isn't that always your argument for why Android guys don't like iOS or Apple?

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 20:57 1

119. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i can haz friends!?!

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 21:20 1

122. taco5O (banned) (Posts: 5; Member since: 14 Aug 2011)


sniggly, we could be best buds if you tried harder. we could be the odd couple. you, obviously the manly one who is bright and creative... and me.. i could be the stay at home iBot of your dreams! I could cook . I'd serve apple jacks for break fast, appletinis at lunch, and apple pies for dinner! oh it could be so fabulous! Oh the house will be smelling like fresh apples all the time! it would be stellar!!!!



Aww, who am I kidding. I dont even own an apple. I still use an Envy2 that my mom gave me as a hand-me-down. I talk a lot of crap because I have no friends and I am bored waiting for my raid to happen on WoW.

I could still serve you apple jacks though! In bed!

posted on 15 Aug 2011, 02:21 1

129. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


a Taco impersonator : )

posted on 15 Aug 2011, 07:16 1

134. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


an impersonator? man i was hoping that taco finally decided to play nice with others.. lololol.

so sniggs.. ya gonna take ol taco up on his offer? :)

posted on 15 Aug 2011, 02:20

128. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Nope.
I'm just being nice to others, in comparison to you, who usually don't.

posted on 15 Aug 2011, 02:23

131. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


And to addd one more thing, i hate bullies and people who try to impersonate others.
That's in fact the main reason i helped sniggly with occupying that fake name.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 17:46 1

106. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2650; Member since: 26 May 2011)


That was my number one reaction to the supposed ICS photos. I wasn't wowed. After seeing Google bring in Matias to fix the Android UI and even bringing in Andy Hertzfeld for G+, there's no way Google would leave so much of the Gingerbread UI intact for ICS. Google is finally realizing how important UI design is, and that needs to keep going.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 20:56

118. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


hopefully they make the UI a lil flashier and kill some of the need for people to want custom UI's. If people bought mostly vanilla android fragmentation would be a non issue.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 20:24

35. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)


I really liked the article.

I completely agree with the idea they should be streamlining the upgrade system to try and manage fragmentation.

Brand differentiation via OS customization??? I disagree here, the manufacturers will tell you its a must, but other tech markets (aka laptops/PCs) do not have this capability via OS. They all run Windows no overlay UI etc. I don't see why handhelds absolutely need it at the cost of OS fragmentation.

OS fragmentation is the BIGGEST issue with android right now. It affects the app devs, which is a large part of the features the OS brings.

Another thing to consider... I read an insane study that showed 30-40% of android users root their device. That is a HUGE number, I would infer that a large % of android users want to be on the cutting edge and are willing to live through hassles that might bring. Fragmentation hinders those cutting edge updates. Maybe if the custom UIs didn't hinder updates as much, the functions they add would make it to the native OS faster anyways.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 21:11

40. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2650; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Yeah, all laptops and PCs run the same Windows, but look at the hardware design. Everything looks the same. If you can put a prettier custom overlay on the software, it makes you more likely to put more towards design on the hardware end. Phones are pretty differentiated both in software and hardware.

Tablets... well, so far tablets are all essentially the same dark colored rectangle, but then again, we're only just starting to see the Honeycomb custom UIs start to roll out.

Do you have a link for that stat about Android rooters?

Thanks

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 00:45

59. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)


You know I cannot find that link... I know I saw it, it actually shocked me because I thought it would be much lower. It was a good while ago, so I would suspect that % to drop.

iphone jailbreaks ~9%, that was easy to find...

imo Laptop design is still pretty good even without software customization.

My opinion is, if these customizations are hurting the google ecosystem, then it is not worth it. Sure google is creating tons of work arounds for the fragmentation issue. Filters on the Market, support for multiple versions etc It is still hurting the ecosystem.

I like the skinning idea, but I don't think the more advanced customizations will work, IF google wants to update on their own.

I am willing to guess though they don't. The carriers LOVE the fact they can do what ever they want and drop support after a year (sort of like feature phones).

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 01:05

66. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2650; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Yeah, at this point there are too many different manufacturers and carriers invested in Android. Regardless of custom UIs, carriers will still want to change certain standard features, and that alone will delay updates. No theme system could help that, and Google can't fight carriers.

But, I'm not convinced that custom UIs and update delays are actually hurting the ecosystem. It's an annoyance, and inconvenience in some respects, but 97% of all Android devices are 2.1 or better, and about 82% are 2.2 or better. That means there really is no fragmentation issue. Apps will work across the board, you're only missing a couple features if an app is written for 2.1, and almost nothing if it's written for 2.2.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 20:31

36. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)


Doh actually on the point of the article.

I agree completely no way phones could be out on time to compete with iphone5/iOS5.

Sure it could be a major factor for those 40% of Android fans, but really... you think those 40% would go get an iPhone because ICS isn't out at the same time????

The other 60% would have no clue or care, unless ICS is SOOO improved like XP to Vista/Win7 improved that is. Then the on the fence people may go Android due to improved UI.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 21:12

41. lubbalots (unregistered)


if theres any OS out there thats easy to learn, its wp7. Wait! you dont even need tech brains or eistein brains to use or in that matter learn to use it.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 21:23

42. Sully6789 (unregistered)


iPhone is for the silly teenage girls and cool kids that want the newest, flashy thing out to impress all their friends and show everyone how cool they are. Android on the other hand, is built from the ground up by Google to be an actual smart phone OS, and not a gimmick. Can any android phone compete head to head with the iPhone sales wise? Absolutely not, and just for that simple fact. I feel this is the make or break for Android and Google. Android already has the largest market share of any of the OS's. Only with the release of iPhone 4 on Verizon, have Android sales declined since 2009, but to truly compete with iPhone, Google is gonna have to take their time with ICS and create something that will even make the Apple fanboys regret buying that new iPhone for a just a few new limited feature enhancements on a completely restricted OS. Google definitely has the potential and oppurtunity with ICS to revolutionize Android and ultimately knock Apple off their pedestal...I just hope they realize it.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 21:33

44. Sully6789 (unregistered)


And if youre worried about not getting ICS when it launches on Nexus Prime, head over to XDA, learn to root your phone, and update. Google has already said ICS will be able to run on current hardware. So, when the update for your device does come around, revert back to stock, and update. Or just wait until youre eligible for an upgrade, revert back to stock, and upgrade. Thats the beauty of Android, it's open source and fully customizable...maybe not the way Google intended due to manufacturer limitations, but it is open source. And that's ultimately why it spells the end for iOS, and Microsoft's laughable OS too.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 22:16

49. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)


oh yeah, i'm a firm believer in only coming out when you're fully armed and ready especially in real-time strategy games so i agree with your take completely Phone Arena team. i did actually think about brand differentiation when i suggested that ICS be installed stock and manufacturers be given the ability to side load overlays and let's face it with some degree of hacking you can put Sense on a Motorola Phone NOW but when it comes to doing it officially through the manufacturer they can just have their own stores on their phone like what HTC has with HTC Hub just on a more extensive scale.

personally i like Honeycomb best with Acer's cosmetic work on it.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 23:00

52. Boti95 (Posts: 162; Member since: 05 Sep 2010)


VERY, VERY good article. Android beats iOS by a long shot. Its highlyt customizable when iOS isnt. Apple sucks. They should just stick with iPods and iPads. I dont care if iLovers dont agree with me, but Googlelers should agree with me. You can have it your way with Android.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 23:39

54. E.N. (Posts: 2224; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


if all you care about is customization then Google hit a homerun

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 00:26

56. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)


yeah, among other things. care to troll some more?

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 01:40

68. E.N. (Posts: 2224; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Yes, among other things, we can agree on that.

I consider posts like "Apple sucks," "Apple is king," "Android rules" as trolling. But if you consider the simple comment I wrote above to be trolling, then yes, I would love to troll some more. But only if that's okay with you.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 03:33

75. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)


look at yourself. you're trying to defend iOS on an Android article, a pretty big one too. what do you think you're going to do other than get into the same ol debate with everybody?

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 14:30

99. E.N. (Posts: 2224; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Dude thumper, why don't you just relax a little. Dont take everything so seriously. I'm just rationally providing opposite opinions. I'm not the one starting the debates, all my comments are replies if you've noticed so I don't know why all the focus is on me. And I usually find more Android users on Apple articles but for some odd reason it's fine, so Stop complaining. And come on, it's not like I won't see you on the next Apple post.

Anyways my punchline was suppose to be "looks can be decieving."

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 14:46

100. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)


i'm sure you wouldn't be here if you didn't want people to take you seriously. i'm just telling you what you really look like here and last time i checked replying to a comment is usually the beginning of a debate or discussion. didn't your mom ever tell you two wrongs don't make a right? i don't go to Apple articles to tell people Android is just as good or better than their own precious iOS, that would be pretty futile, it's just annoying so it's not fair to me or anyone else that only cares to discuss the future of Android for you to come in and be an annoying fanboy.

posted on 15 Aug 2011, 00:15

127. E.N. (Posts: 2224; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Yes my mom did teach me that. She also taught me to suck it up and stop complaining.

The reason why you think I look bad is because I'm one of only a few iPhone users commenting on this post. Android users usually travel in flocks, so they never look bad because they're bashing together. Sometimes there are more Android comments in a popular Apple article than iPhone users. And I'm not even bashing! I'm actually saying good and bad things. this is phoneARENA not androidcentral

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-to-announce-the-iPhone-5-on-September-7-along-with-the-next-generation-of-iPods_id21144

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-already-giving-the-green-light-to-iOS-5-apps_id20938/comments

http://www.phonearena.com/news/With-iOS-5-some-OTA-updates-can-be-handled-through-3G_id19871/comments

I can't comment in Android posts, but Android users can in Apple posts? Don't think so.

posted on 15 Aug 2011, 02:22

130. Whateverman (Posts: 3187; Member since: 17 May 2009)


@ E.N. It appears to me you're a fellow tech-guy who just happens to land on the iOS side of things. Tech-guys don't care what OS the article is about, if we have an opinion, we express it. Be it good, bad, or indifferent. I say keep it up! Debating is good, helps us see each others point of view. I just don't like when it gets ugly, and I will admit i have done and probably will do agin if provoked. But I thought you were being really levelheaded with your post. Just my two cents.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 00:47 1

60. Whateverman (Posts: 3187; Member since: 17 May 2009)


As a person who uses both, iOS is lagging badly. It's still great, but just looks stale because we've seen the same look with every iOS release. Apple adds some cool feature every now and then, but no useable functionality. I think MichaelHeller put it best when he said that iOS is more like an App Launcher than a full OS. Android isn't just about customization, but it definitely gives it the edge because I never get bored.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 01:54 1

69. E.N. (Posts: 2224; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


yes I can agree with that too. It LOOKS stale and it LOOKS the same. The homescreen has been the same since the original iPhone. But you know what they say about looks.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 03:39

76. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)


when two operating systems are pretty much neck at neck feature wise one would typically make a decision based on aesthetic preference. there's endless possibilities on Android to make your phone look the way you want it to look and as for iOS there's endless possibilities there too...with how you can arrange your apps.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 10:17 1

88. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


that you get bored with the same looks and move on? :)

iOS is like everyone having the same bowl cut. Android is like hitting "random" in the SIMs character creation screen. Sometimes you come out supafly, sometimes you come out... well not.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 11:18

91. Whateverman (Posts: 3187; Member since: 17 May 2009)


I do see what you guys are saying, but EN brings up a good point. Looks are everything. And you can see how good iOS looks right up front. As soon as you flick the screen you got silky smooth transitions from screen to screen. That's what Android needs to duplicate. For those of us who really know how to use Android its not an issue, we would just download a launcher and problem solved. But the average person doesn't know it's that easy. That's where Apple's advantage is, the initial look and feel.

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