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Not every problem with Android should be called "fragmentation"

0. phoneArena 22 Mar 2012, 16:40 posted on

Every single time we post an article about the next Android OS update, there is the inevitable calls about fragmentation, and how Google should fix its "fragmentation" problem, which people claim is exacerbated...

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posted on 22 Mar 2012, 17:04 5

8. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


yeah he sounded a little like Andro or Remix for a second...lol

i felt a lil anger coming from him...haha

"RELEASE THE DRAGON IN YOU MIKE!!!"

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 17:11 16

10. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Hah! Where were you last week when I was getting called an Apple fanboy?

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 17:21 8

12. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


you always seem to be called either an Apple Fanboy or a Android Fanboy so i guess that would mean you've found the line to walk in between the two on...like having an unbiased attitude! whoa! there's a major plot twist for everybody. xD

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 17:25

13. drtech (banned) (Posts: 135; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


I'm going to go on a limb and say you're an android user. I'm sorry, but everything from the title to the wording of this article screams fanboy.

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 17:32 16

16. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I am an Android user, but defending Android doesn't make someone a fanboy. I defended Apple a couple times last week, too.

The wording was stronger, because I simply don't like hypocrisy, and it got me a little riled up. Those who call out Android fragmentation never bother to mention the same issues on other platforms, and the arguments used to deride Android are not really "fragmentation" issues. It can get maddening, especially when you work in something of an echo chamber like PhoneArena.

As I teased at the end of the piece, I will be giving time to the real issue of Android fragmentation in my next piece.

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 17:52 1

24. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


another top article,was a great read.anyone that things you are a fanboy has clearly not read any of your previous article...keep them coming :)

side not agree with nearly everything you have said.personally have never had any issues of ''fragmentation'' on my s2 i9100..i think it all depends on the device you choose which will dictate your experience.if you buy a cheap unpopular phone you are unlikely to get the same experience as a popular expensive phone although am sure google would love the experience to be the same but just dont think thats possible until the time comes when dual core is considered low end.

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 18:15

40. drtech (banned) (Posts: 135; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


Taz I have a brand new Galaxy Tab 7.7, just released this month. It's $499 on a 2 yr contract. I'm experiencing fragmentation. I have honeycomb 3.2 and have incompatible apps.

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 18:52 2

46. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


tab 7.7 really dont know why its been released with honeycomb at all..samsung just f**k*d up here. i think any top tier model that is released this year should have ics minimum and the tab 7.7 is 100% a top tier device which has the buggy honeycomb. when you do get ics you will love this device,ics makes a huge difference on tablet...on the phone i dont think ics is as important as it is on the tablet.

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 19:11 4

48. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


How exactly are you "experiencing fragmentation"? Is it something you see? Although I'm running 2.3, I don't experience any fragmentation. I'm just enjoying a little Gingerbread.

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 19:38

51. drtech (banned) (Posts: 135; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


ICS was released in December. I have a tablet released in March that can't take advantage of the new software.

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 22:11 3

70. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Many with the 3GS would they are able to take advantage of the iOS 5.0 that slowing down their devices too, but I wouldn't call that experiencing fragmentation. That's just not having the latest update.

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 18:15 6

39. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)


This is, hands down, the absolute best, unbiased article I have ever read on iPhonearena. Normally you guys are VERY pro Apple here(Victor H IMMEDIATELY comes to mind). Bravo Michael! I commend you!

Now as for drtech... You should really change your name to driOS because you are by far, the biggest iFanboy here next to Victor H and themiz. Why is that Android can be called fragmented but not iOS? This isn't the first time that iOS has been called on it's fragmentation. I forgot who it was, but someone here in the comment threads pointed out how fragmented iOS is. And of course, all of the Apple fanboy's like yourself cried foul. If you can't see how Apple is just as fragmented as everything else, then that reality distortion field is working on you overtime.

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 18:25 5

42. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


im really starting to think its Taco50's latest user name. Im just waiting for his normal vile responces to come out, he can never hide it for long.

posted on 23 Mar 2012, 08:20

87. hepresearch (unregistered)


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88. hepresearch (unregistered)


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posted on 23 Mar 2012, 08:39

89. hepresearch (unregistered)


Sorry folks, my computer is slightly on the fritz...

I had commented with a few paragraphs of stuff, but then went back to edit it a little, and next thing I know I get a cross-scripting warning and my browser crashes. I come back here to try again, and discover that my post got wiped out and replaced by "Loading..."

I tried to explain, but my next comment also got wiped out and replaced by "Loading..."

I hope this one sticks. I can't take the time to re-write my original post, and probably couldn't remember enough of it to do it right anyway. I'm just letting you all know why there are two comments from me that only say "Loading..."

My browser is about to crash again. Gotta go!

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 22:08

69. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


he had his eyes closed :P

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 17:07 3

9. 9_HeLLs_oF_DrOid (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)


Believe me or not, a week back I was arguing with my friend (Apple lover) on how his beloved Apple coined the term "frangmentation" for Android as they saw some potential threats from it. I used a similar argument how Apple is also "fragmented" (even if it less but still), but y'know, despite all my efforts to make him realise what I was I saying, I had to lose and call it quits!

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 17:13 5

11. plgladio (Posts: 314; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


Great write up Michael, I've one doubt. Basic iPhone 3GS is running iOS 5 isn't? So what you mean "As we made clear before, the availability of an update does not ensure an updated device. If it did, 100% of iPhone 3Gs, 4, 4S, iPad, iPad 2, and new iPad devices would be running iOS 5, and that simply isn't the case."

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 17:34 2

17. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


A new iPhone 3Gs that you buy will come preloaded with iOS 5, but I'm talking about the ones that didn't ship with iOS 5 and require a manual update by the user.

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 17:37

18. plgladio (Posts: 314; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


I agree, because we would have purchased before the release. What about that.

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 17:47 4

21. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I'm afraid I don't understand your question.

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 17:54

26. plgladio (Posts: 314; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


Do you mean to say, if updates are fragmentated then all Apple should be running their latest update, just like that rather than a manual update?

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 18:00 3

30. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I'm saying that fragmentation is not caused by devices not being updated. Apple devices are updated manually by the user, and not everyone updates, so not all Apple devices run the same version of iOS. Just because the update problem with Android is a delay by manufacturers doesn't make it a fragmentation problem.

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 18:05

34. plgladio (Posts: 314; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


Gotcha!

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 22:04 6

68. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Having the iPhone 3GS ship with iOS 5 is actually an issue because the damn thing is laggy and slow out of the box.

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 17:44

19. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Too bad that majority of tech will keep embracing the terms without second thought..I wish this article reaches farther than PA audience.

Just one thing, Michael..xperia s, one x, galaxy nexus are very different hardware.
Even if they all run stock ICS, you would still have some clear choices to make.

If you want an example of basically the same product across the platform, it's windows phone - those phones all have the same UI with minimum customization available, same screen resolution, even the same processor(Qualcomm s2 8255 variants)

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 17:50 3

23. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


They aren't all that different hardware wise. They all have 720p screens with high quality cameras, large internal storage, etc. The only major differences are in the processors; and benchmark differences aside, real world differences in performance between those devices will be fairly limited. The real difference will be in UI.

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 17:49

22. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


I agree but android has many more variants in hardware. The other main complaint is that not all of the android will be updated. That is the main complaint of the fragment. If I buy a phone a year ago, will I even get it updated?

posted on 22 Mar 2012, 17:53 6

25. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


That's why Google added the update clause to the Open Handset Alliance. Any device released after May of last year is required to be updated to the newest version or else the manufacturer won't get access to Google Apps or the Play Store.

Besides, that's what I was saying: not all iPhones can be updated to the newest version either. It's not a sign of fragmentation, but a sign of an evolving platform with old hardware that needs to be left behind.

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