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Nokia's ex-camera guru Damian Dinning unimpressed with the HTC One UltraPixel camera

0. phoneArena 20 Feb 2013, 08:04 posted on

The conversation in Damian's Twitter feed also hovers around the fact that it is just a normal size sensor optimized for larger pixels yet with 4 MP output, and the results from a juggernaut like the 808 PureView would be much better, since in its automatic 5 MP mode the effective pixel size is 3.85 microns against the HTC One's 2 microns...

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posted on 20 Feb 2013, 08:07 13

1. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

At least their making new ways with their camera ex guru

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 08:41 19

11. Sarajevo (Posts: 38; Member since: 30 Nov 2012)

Yeah, but that is not reason for HTC to provoke Nokia. They want to compare UltraPixel with PureView and announce it like competition tp PV, but that is not comparable at all.

But, they deserve credit for their aims to make some inovations, unless it is way to sell ordinary thing under the diff name.

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 11:46

57. LDnb6 (Posts: 6; Member since: 05 Feb 2013)

Umm how do u know if its comparable or not no one has com paired it LOL... And if this super high MP camera is so great on the 808(which just to remind everyone was terrible and sold horrible and didn't even make it to the U.S at all) why didn't they put it on there real flagship the 920.

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 21:13

59. Birds (Posts: 1157; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)

For one the 808 is a niche device and isn't built for the general phone users...I can explain this all I want to but this is not my point in replying. The 808 pure view has a large camera. That makes for a very chunky phone. A flagship device shouldn't really be too thick and should be well rounded. That is why the 920 didn't have the Pureview Phase 1 camera. Nokia is working on putting the Pureview Phase 1 camera on a WP8 device, but the 920 was a market must have, or Nokia would have risked quite a bit to wait for so long.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 08:09 22

2. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)

If the first sample images are any indication, then its certainly not a case of sour grapes. Forget the 808, the sample images don't come close to the N8 (almost a 3 year old device). But yes, HTC deserve credit for trying something different (although the underlying inspiration seems Nokia). As is the case with first gen tech, its not quite great. Hopefully the next Ultrapixel sensor will be better.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 08:51 12

14. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3770; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)

Won't say much...will let the upcoming image comparison do the talking for me.
(I still know what 808 did last summer)

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 09:53 5

20. jsdechavez (Posts: 731; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)

haha nice one..

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 17:25

47. ZeroCide (Posts: 773; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)

Come on PA still waiting. Where is the comparison? :P

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 14:46

45. eshwarnag (Posts: 19; Member since: 20 Feb 2013)

not close to n8?

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 08:12 4

3. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

Sounds like things are setting up real nice for a Nokia L1010 (40+ Mp PureView camera edition) vs. HTC One. Nokia is supposed to be taking the wraps off the L1010 at MWC in what, 5 days? And then there is Sammy with the GS IV.... 2013 is off to an interesting start.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 08:18 28

4. Johnnokia (Posts: 1093; Member since: 27 May 2012)

Dear Mr.Damian,
Every imaging technology compared to Nokia's is crap. So, dont compare with Nokia.

HTC One camera looks great compared to other phones.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 11:03 4

27. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

Well put.

Likely best Android [phone] camera for a few months or longer, but I don't think it will attain "legendary" status like the N8, 808 PureView, or Lumia 920.

It is surely disappointing to Androiders that it has no expandable storage or removable battery. While I will grant that the 4MP (can barely believe I'm typing anything under 8 in 2013 for a flagship, even more so anything past 2010) likely takes up less storage space, if one wanted to shoot a few hours' worth of movies and keep some music or apps on the phone, they'll be out of space quickly. At least the Lumia 920 syncs stuff automatically to SkyDrive so one can remove saved files from the phone when no longer needed.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 13:29 1

43. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 1116; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)

Tell me one use for 8 or even 13 megapixel sensors? I have one on my phone and i don't see the point in it, not like you are going to do posters with pics from your phone. Also you should keep your mouth shut for that last miserable sentence of yours, in case you didn't know all HTC devices come with Dropbox installed and 25gb free space and they also sync automatically with it. My One X does it.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 11:38 2

34. tusshharish (Posts: 342; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)

as nokia's imaging is great and they set example of imaging for others by giving pureview so it is natural that everyone compare its imaging with nokia's.......

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 11:41 1

35. tusshharish (Posts: 342; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)

as nokia's imaging is great and they set example of imaging for others by giving pureview so it is natural that everyone compare its imaging with nokia's.......

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 08:19 21

5. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)

Don't think anyone will match the pureview 808 anytime soon other than by Nokia itself...not only can the pureview do what the HTC one does but like the Nokia guru said there pixel size is almost double of the HTC one but what pureview has is that lost less zoom that no other phone has.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 08:24 16

6. StreetNerd (Posts: 819; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)

LUMIA EOS! 5 more days

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 08:26 9

7. lee480 (Posts: 197; Member since: 24 Sep 2012)

lol the design is even more unimpressive.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 08:38 9

10. yero789 (unregistered)

Oh I was thinking about this when I first saw the back of this phone :D it looks so familiar to Sony Xperia P,I was so confused,because it really looks like Sony Xperia P(from the back).

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 09:55 10

21. jsdechavez (Posts: 731; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)

Xperia at the back. Blackberry at the front. What else did I miss?

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 09:22 5

17. FireDragon (Posts: 114; Member since: 13 Nov 2009)

No wonder everytime I was looking ONE from back I was thinking to myself "This is so beautiful I must have seen this before, but where." Now yes. Although Xperia did that better than the COPIED One (see what I did there? ;) )

Xperial put the flash in design, brilliant. I respected HTC but last 2 attempts are... well, not very original, not very good HTC, not very good.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 11:14 2

30. Diego! (Posts: 575; Member since: 15 Jun 2009)

Which Sony-Ericsson Xperia is that one? I can't believe no one is mentioning that!!! You go boy! :)

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 07:52

53. yero789 (unregistered)

It's Sony Xperia P,which has the brightest screen in a smartphone,at least that's what Sony's website says :D

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 08:27 7

8. shadez10 (Posts: 427; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)

words of wisdom from the ex guru...
HTC got hit real hard... Its really true that the ultrapixel gimmick of HTC doesnt impress most people...

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 08:32 3

9. asingha94 (Posts: 295; Member since: 08 Apr 2012)

yes!!Whatever name it or call it by ultrapixel,this is a joke!!htc made a fun of pureview camera.Now htc deserves more than that.nokia ftw

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 08:49 4

12. moronman66 (Posts: 162; Member since: 09 Jan 2012)

So what he's saying is that this isn't new, and it can't beat the best camera phone's camera... I'm shocked? HTC has a nice concept while, albeit, isn't completely new, it should at least be a decent, if not above average, camera, on a phone at least.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 08:50 1

13. pellegrini (Posts: 84; Member since: 14 Jun 2012)

The fact is, HTC is in the right direction.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 09:09 6

15. tashreef (Posts: 476; Member since: 24 Nov 2012)

but they challenged Nokia Pureview technology ..where is it? Ultrapixel ?

it doesn't make sense HTC..... Nokia will launch EOS in just 5 days... what you got?

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 09:19 3

16. andro. (Posts: 1998; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)

I'd bet a lot of manufacturers head executives would be "unimpressed" Nokia's smartphone sales figures!

The Htc one camera is a big step forward,yes maybe the pure view 808 has a better camera but then almost nobody likes having a phone as close to resembling a brick these days. Htc have done well to keep their phone spec and design as cutting edge and current

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 10:24 4

23. faisal8708 (Posts: 104; Member since: 15 Nov 2011)

Yea no body likes a brick as a smartphone but everyone likes a smartphones which u hav to charge twice a day everyday. I hav an S3 and just bought L920 to replace my N8 and the lumia is more comfortable hold and use than all these slim devices so much so tht it has now become my daily driver and dont forget those bricks are far more durable than any other smartphone on the market

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 09:27 2

18. lovefist (unregistered)

So umm.. Where do people post their pics taken with smart phones? FB right? To show off and brag, but.. Do people actually care if your pic is grainy when zoomed in? I believe people don't actually do that so what's the point of "better quality" if you can only notice it when zoomed in? If you actually do that then I suggest getting a life or better yet, a job.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 11:13 1

29. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

Actually many do care, if they're decent photos. If you look at an album and they're all dim awful bar photos or concert photos, there isn't much to see (worse if they're destroyed via a post-filter or Instacrapped). However, if a decent camera is used and the subject material is of interest, folks will want to see more.
Case in point: I've been uploading my wedding photos to Facebook to share with those that could not attend and also those that were there. The photos were taken by a professional photographer and his team, and look great, such that most in attendance have used the photos for their profile pics and cover photos. In contrast, an acquaintance had a "shotgun wedding" and their "reception" was at a bar, and the best cameras on hand were those in the smartphones or a cheap point-and-shoot. Only a few pictures are usable as anything other than a timestamp. Had someone there had an HTC One, or a Lumia 920 or 808 PureView (or a decent point-and-shoot) more of the photos of their special day would be useable and more memorable.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 09:30

19. valapsp (Posts: 557; Member since: 12 Aug 2011)

Nokia's sex camera!!!! Dafuq did I just read?

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 10:04 9

22. bragzter (Posts: 52; Member since: 21 Feb 2012)

No one comes close to Nokia's camera technology. Nokia uses Carl Zeiss lens, which is one of the best in the world. The N8 is still the camera phone to beat, and the Lumia 920 and PureView808 only solidified their dominance. At MWC Nokia will show why they're the best once again.

HTC tried something new, kudos to them, but they shouldn't have started a war with the king and don't have an army. They brought a knife to a gunfight

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 10:34

24. badboymaru (Posts: 1; Member since: 20 Feb 2013)

Nokia phones are rubbish and are not quite the company it used to be. Pureview series of phones are overhyped and feel gimmicky. The Pureview 808 only saving grace is the Carl Zeiss lens. The phone itself looks like a brick with an outdated OS. Probably one of the worst looking phones.....As for the Nokia 920 one word unispiring.
The HTC one may not have the best camera but at least it sufficiently does the job for your general snaps to upload to the net websites and blogs. Overall a better looking, well designed phone with Android OS ftw.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 11:41 6

36. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)

Thanks for the laugh.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 10:47

25. ravigill (Posts: 24; Member since: 30 Jan 2013)

guys,,,,nokia do well very well in camera section (only)...but...we dont want camera phone but want to remain update with current news,fb or twitter account.,,,we want to play games heavy games,,,,want to listen music with beats audio,,,,,want to give life to our gallery ...so for all that HTC ONE IS PERFECT.........

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 12:07 3

37. tashreef (Posts: 476; Member since: 24 Nov 2012)

heavy games ???? mention some.... please....

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 12:11 3

38. jellmoo (Posts: 1590; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)

Who is this "we" you speak of? Maybe that is what you want, but do not presume to speak for everyone else. I for one don't want to play "heavy games" on my device. Nor do I care for Beats audio as I have not bought into the need to spend a ridiculous amount of money on headphones.

Speak for yourself. If the HTC One is perfect for you, then that is awesome! But do not presume to speak for anyone else or attempt to invalidate the criticism of others over a device that does not fit their needs.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 19:06 2

49. shadez10 (Posts: 427; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)

heavy games?.. GET A PC u noob...

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 08:37

54. ravigill (Posts: 24; Member since: 30 Jan 2013)

what type of person u are shadez....in mobiles wont be 2 gb of games be heavy(great graphics)...will ur nokia 808 can play gta vice city,,,max pyne......u are noob u have to admit it...and persons who dislike are also great noob ....

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 08:50

55. jellmoo (Posts: 1590; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)

I'm not sure why you continue on this path. Not everyone wants to play GTA or Max Payne on their phone. I most certainly do not. If this is a priority for you, then great. Enjoy gaming on your phone. Obviously a device like the 808 is not the ideal match for your needs.

But, your needs are not going to be the same as the needs of other people. If I am looking for the best camera phone available, and do not care about mobile gaming at all, the 808 is probably the best phone for me. If I care about playing games, then I probably want to look into a high end Android or iPhone. If I want to watch movies on a large screen, I probably want the Note 2. If I want great Office integration I probably want a Windows Phone.

Everyone has different needs from their mobile device. Playing games on a device is not a primary criteria for everyone.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 11:02 3

26. Muzhhur (Posts: 260; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)

is not about pixels, its how do you use them... sorry my friends buts theres no reason to think that ultra pixel is better than pureview, you can talk about sells, but it is pointless.

What would you prefer, corean stuff or Finnish one?

Im take the real one

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 19:08

50. shadez10 (Posts: 427; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)

HTC is Taiwanese stuff

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 11:13

28. linas_ltu (Posts: 32; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)

We can all agree that 808 Pureview phone has the best camera. We can also agree, that it is as ugly as hell and any manufacturer can but such a sensor in such a thick device! HTC made a very slim phone and one of the most amazing design ever. And... of course it is not a windows phone.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 11:18 2

31. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

May not be a Windows Phone, but the new UI sure mimics it! *snicker*

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 12:13

39. jellmoo (Posts: 1590; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)

What on earth does Windows Phone have to do with your point? Neither the One nor the 808 are Windows Phone, so why bring that up at all? You might as well say that it is not a watermelon. Factually accurate, but not pertinent to your comparison.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 11:19 5

32. pureviewuser (Posts: 501; Member since: 11 Nov 2012)

This is good for nokia because nokia will make an even better camera on their next mobile phone

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 11:22

33. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)

This is known as ADHD == Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 12:19

40. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)

HTC is definitely the second most overrated company on phone arena.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 12:37

41. Jphones (Posts: 235; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)

Hatin just because HTC actually incorporated a brilliant design, build quality, camera and sound. Rare combo pureviews all camera phone after thought. Htc complete product we'll let the comparisons prove it.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 12:50 1

42. wizzardtech (Posts: 59; Member since: 12 Mar 2012)

You people are missing a point here. This is not about just the camera alone. If someone admits that the pureview or lumia 920 camera is the best then how come it didnt really succeed? Are you buying a phone for just a camera alone? Lumia 920 sales are not really impressive or pureview808 which some people havent heard of it yet. With smartphones you have to consider everything. Design, experience, marketing, Build quality etc. People are bashing iphones or galaxy s3 but still they can sell millions
and for the Manufacturers those are the thing that matters.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 14:02 2

44. buccob (Posts: 2566; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)

At the end of the day, HTC is coupling the camera with Android... and Nokia is windows, and that alone will turn the scales to HTC...

How come there are so many Nokia fans in every news site, in every article... but not backing up sales...?

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 15:53 1

46. Android4u (Posts: 456; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)

Because bro hardly anybody likes windows and Nokia? Seriously...that should let you know why their sales haven't been good.. bring on the thumbs down you Nokia fanboys...

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 21:54

51. jroc74 (Posts: 6005; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

I also think ....and many, many ppl overlook this.... it might not be so much tha ppl dont like Windows Phone or Nokia...but other options are just good. Not saying other options are better, but just good in their own right.

Many ppl like the iPhone and Android. At the end of the day....they're both good. It is what it is. If either one sucked tremendously...WP woulda big a bigger hit by now. WP might pick up steam and grow some more in the next 2 years...but MS is running outta time for trying to get the 1 or 2 spot. They might have to settle on 3 or 4.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 17:39 3

48. Guarulhos (Posts: 39; Member since: 19 Sep 2012)

Come To The Facts !

Sensor Size:

Nokia 808: 1/1.2" / HTC One: 1/3"

Pixel Size:

Nokia 808 (In Mode PureView): 8 MP (3.07 Microns) / 5 Megapixels (3.91 Microns) / 3 MP (4.89 Microns) / HTC One: 2 Microns


Nokia 808: Carl Zeiss Vario Tessar / HTC One: Largan Precision


Nokia 808: Xenon (3rd Generation) / HTC One: LED (2rd Generation) !

808 PureView Is Infinitely Better Than The HTC One !

HTC One No Doubt Has An Interesting Camera, But It's Better Than Only The Mediocre iPhone 5, Razr HD, Optimus G, Nexus 4 And Xperia Z !!!

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 05:10

52. duncan0622 (Posts: 1; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)

Nice job dude. Could you also make a sheet comparison with lumia 920?

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 09:25

56. cam-whore (Posts: 164; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)

haha, htc just cant accept the facts. I remembered at this exact same event last year on the MWC, htc ceo announced on the same stage where Elop also was, that they had a 16mp crapcamphone, in an attempt to take away the crown from the then camphone king the n8. Elop was not even reacting. Turns out even their 16mp cam technology cant beat a 12mp n8. Then the very next day, nokia announces the pv808. Yes, everyone knew what happened then.

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 12:41

58. testing123 (Posts: 1; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)

Wasn't Nokia the one who got busted trying to act like a commercial was filmed with their phone but actually was a professional video camera?

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 00:51

60. ZiadMohamed (Posts: 21; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)

Damian Dinning is really Boss, he know what HTC making was marketing...But I loved HTC ONE...it's very fresh and elegent.

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