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Nokia's demise has more people questioning: is Stephen Elop the worst CEO ever?

0. phoneArena 11 Jul 2012, 03:33 posted on

You know one company that is in dire straits these days? You might think RIM, and you’d be right it’s in huge trouble, but there is another company that slumped so spectacularly…

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posted on 11 Jul 2012, 04:59 3

29. allen83 (Posts: 107; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)


Or how about this Nokia has a huge developer community compared to Windows only has large community developer community. Nokia DON'T have to buy a developer, the developer comes to them. Unlike Windows they BUY the developers for them to come to them.

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 05:21 3

32. Ray.S (Posts: 339; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)


What kind of developer community are you talking about? There might have been a lot of apps for previous Nokia devices, but they were mostly Java apps. Today's business is different, and Java apps don't cut it. And those developers who have previously worked for the Ovi Store can now submit their (new) apps to the Windows Marketplace, where they'll be much more discoverable from now on.

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 08:41 3

57. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


Well, Android apps are basicly Java aswell. Also, apps were and still are much more discoverable at Nokia/Ovi store than on Windows Marketplace, because there are MUCH more Symbian handsets out there than WP ones.

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 08:57 1

61. ToTTenTranz (Posts: 5; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Developer community = Qt developer community = Symbian + MeeGo + Windows x86 + Android developer community.

Cross-platform compatibility would've been at the distance of a simple recompile button.

Java was, and still is, a huge deal on markets with a huge population (India, China, South America, etc). Just because americans like the "native apps" fashion it doesn't make it the only thing in the world that matters.

And here's who submits apps for the windows marketplace:
- Microsoft
- A handful of developers being paid by Microsoft to have the hassle to deploy for their app store.

There's no relevant WP7 sales -> There's no relevant WP7 user base -> there's no relevant revenues to be made in that platform.
Symbian had several hundreds of millions of potential customers in OVI store.
Marketplace has but a handful of millions, mostly driven by the Lumia 900 being given away for free with a contract,

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 06:41 2

44. zazori08 (Posts: 113; Member since: 21 Dec 2011)


dang. i for one feel so sorry for you Ray. S

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 04:13 7

14. ARITRA (Posts: 45; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


If i were ceo of nokia:P i would have used android as my first choice and then meego as my back up!

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 04:20 3

20. IamYourFather6657 (Posts: 321; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


Then you have a hard time selling meego devices .
Keep your own product a priority compared with google's product .
Not that I hate android just that meego should be given higher priority

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 05:36 2

34. wendygarett (unregistered)


How about MeeGo + Google Play + Google Now + Swipe Harmattan UI
Does it sound better

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 04:13 8

15. azafirster (Posts: 44; Member since: 01 May 2012)


Here is a fact, he is a ex-exec from microsoft. Came into Nokia, forced the adoption of Windows Phone, then killed MeeGo and started killing Symbian Belle and so forth. I bet microsft will just swallow and just kill of Nokia just to swallow their patents. Can someone say Conspiracy theory, maybe, but look at nokia now.

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 04:17 2

17. JSern (Posts: 282; Member since: 22 May 2011)


LOL Victor

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 04:19 4

19. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


I honestly hope that you fan boys, will choke on your own words.

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 04:30 4

22. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)


My god who allows these articles on the net? Freedom of sppech i guess -.-
Anyways... Slave to microsoft? very objective assesment, no feelings in there whatsoever, -nokia no say? nokia no spend money on r/d, Compatibility with android= who cares, all/most apps i need i have both on wp and droid, Designed pc first???? wtf, what part of my wp 7.5 has anything to do with my w7??, medicore OS? just read the opinions of people that have actually used a wp device, ignores nokia knowhow? how did nokia maps find its way to every wp8 device then? retail boycott? havent seen that, pay licence fees? dont think so, read somewhere that it might be the other way around, meego ecosystem?? what is he talking about?? and so on and so on. I agree wp has its shortcomings, but is far far superrior to meego, and come wp8 this will just increase. you droidboys should be a little more objective...

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 09:00 2

62. ToTTenTranz (Posts: 5; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Too bad that when WP8 comes out you'll have to throw away your beloved and brand-new WP7 device, because Microsoft apparently doesn't give a crap about you, and certainly not as much as you do, trying to defend them.

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 11:07

77. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)


Your wrong, you see i bought a lg optimus 7 almost 2 years ago and cant wait to upgrade to a wp8 nokia...
i do feel bad for lumia 900 owners, but even with wp7.8 it will be an awesome device, imho far superrior to a iphone 4s....
and why would i throw away a perfectly good phone? my optimus 7 has all the options i need and with wp8 nokias will be even better.

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 04:34 9

24. smartphonemad (Posts: 42; Member since: 10 Jul 2012)


Im waiting for the group that formed afew days back -i think they're called Jolla- to get meego devices into production again.

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 04:35 3

25. tes101 (Posts: 39; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


I will judge hes work after wp8 but there is no denying he made some stupid decisions which he is regretting.

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 04:53 5

27. redmd (Posts: 1279; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


In my opinion, Nokia should have included Android alongside with windows phone and continue to develop Meego and Symbian.

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 04:56 3

28. tes101 (Posts: 39; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Where must all the money come from for all that development??/?

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 09:43 2

70. thinking (Posts: 130; Member since: 19 Jan 2012)


Meego was already being developed and would have continued to be... Mics would have pitched in for the WP development.

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 05:05 5

30. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3109; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


Nokia should have went with Android.

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 05:09 6

31. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)


Ahhh just another anti-nokia article from Victor.

He is anti - Nokia & MS troll and does his job poorly. It's just proper thing to give him some feedback.

- First of all his journalist skills have been poor. Usually he doesn't bother to find out any real facts, instead he likes to speculate and tell his own opinnions (trolling).

**NEWS for you mr. journalist** Nokia downhill started at 2006. If you have to blame someone, Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo is the one you should call bad CEO. Most bad decicions has been made by him. Elop is there to fix problems maded by others.

- Victor doesn't know anything about objective point of view. He likes to use his position as "official trolling chair".

- In this year, more than 50 articles from Victor have been negative about Nokia & MS. Just 3 neutrals and no positives at all.

- Why we have to see financial articles here at Phonearena? There are other medias which are educated better at this subject. Usually people are coming here to find information about new tech in mobile devices.

Here is my finger for you Victor ..|..

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 05:29 4

33. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3109; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


I will give you that and add to it. He has bashed and made silly claims about Android and Samsung especially. "Samsung doesn't mention that S Beam Share is only for SGS3 devices" even tho they state ONLY AVAILABLE ON THE SGS3.

I have also noticed how quick he is to defend and try to justify Apple when they stop going green. Really? Come on, any time a company stops going green its horrible for their rep and customers will not like that one bit. If Samsung or Google in general stopped going green on their products you best believe I'd be pissed off too.

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 05:42 2

37. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)


Yep he is a very unprofessional journalist in many ways. Wondering why Phonearena lets him write day after day. Victor should check Michael Fisher at Pocketnow and learn from him.

Btw. I am writing these messages with my iPad.

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 05:41 7

36. NokiaSupport (Posts: 2; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


I can say that Nokia is walking in wrong ways to have Elop as CEO and to have Microsoft as based OS. I will definitely support Nokia - Meego or Nokia - Symbian rather than support Nokia Microsoft.

Nokia, if u want your firm to be collapsed soonest, you should continue with Microsoft and have Elop as CEO.
N9 is the big success for Meego OS, but where is your success with window phone OS?
Lumia family? You should know people buy lumia not because they like Window phone, but it is because of your device (quality, design, brand and remember not window phone OS).

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 05:49 1

38. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)


Mate, I have to disagree with you. There are many things already showing out, that WP was a good choice.

At 2011 february, Nokia had only one choice. Look at other Android OEM:s atm. They are struggling and only Samsung is actually making some real money with Android. Samsung has many good advantages which guarantees that success. Nokia knew about this. Windows Phone was the only good choice. Symbian were failure at the beginning (although _IF_ the 1st Symbian phone Nokia N8 had Belle OS, the history would be different now).

Windows Phone 8 will change everything. You will see.

I agree with you about Meego. Luckily for us, Meego is now secured by Jolla. At the end of this year, we are going to see a new Meego phone!

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 09:12 2

66. ToTTenTranz (Posts: 5; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


1 - Nokia was making money with Symbian before February '11. In fact, it had been making INCREASINGLY MORE MONEY from the earlier quarter since the first Symbian^3 devices launched. It was reaching record sales from its smartphone division.
This makes your "only had one choice" argument pretty much pointless, since it's just another re-spewing of Elop's immensely flawed pseudo-arguments to destroy Nokia's own ecossystem.

2 - Symbian had been scheduled to step down from mid/high-end smartphones since early 2010. MeeGo was supposed to be their flagship OS, and it was backed up by Intel with Medfield.

In fact, you should thank Elop for NOT having - in the market right now - a high-end smartphone from Nokia with MeeGo/Swipe UX, HD screen, PureView camera module and a 2GHz Z2460 Intel Medfield in it.

Come on, say it out loud: "Thank you Elop for screwing up what would have been the best smartphone of 2012".

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 06:07 3

39. thunderising (Posts: 232; Member since: 25 Nov 2011)


FInALLY they have realised he is s**tTY

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 06:22 3

40. mutefury (Posts: 3; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Elop sounds and acts like an illuminati agent to me. Thanks to him Nokia is in the hands of the wrong dudes.

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 06:23 2

41. Veigald (Posts: 290; Member since: 13 Jan 2012)


I'd say it's closer to Ahonen being the worst "analyst" ever than Elop the worst CEO ever. Ahonen was part of the problem Elop and the current management is trying to clean up.

posted on 11 Jul 2012, 08:44 1

59. ToTTenTranz (Posts: 5; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Too bad he's been spot on in his analysis throughout the past 2 years, making him a much better "analyst" than the "analyst critic" you'll ever be.

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