Nokia wins its fourth injunction against HTC in a German court
While HTC and Nokia do have a licensing agreement that covers standard-essential patents, the patent at issue was deemed not to be a SEP. The patent helps new devices run over networks using older technologies. You might remember that Nokia told HTC that it should have a New Year's resolution to "compete fairly".
Because HTC is appealing these decisions, injunctions that have been ordered by the court have been stayed pending the result of the appeals. This gives HTC time to design a workaround, or even make a deal with Nokia to cover non-SEP patents. Nokia has issued a statement, which you can read below.
This judgment enables Nokia to enforce an injunction against the import and sale of all infringing HTC products in Germany, as well as to obtain damages for past infringement. This is the fourth patent found infringed with injunction awarded in Germany.
Nokia began its actions against HTC in 2012, with the aim of ending HTC's unauthorised use of Nokia's proprietary innovations and has asserted more than 50 patents against HTC. Since then, Nokia believes it has demonstrated beyond doubt the extent to which HTC has been free riding on Nokia technologies, with HTC found to infringe several Nokia patents in venues including the Regional Courts in Mannheim and Munich, Germany, the UK High Court, the Tokyo District Court in Japan and the US International Trade Commission."-Nokia
1. domfonusr (Posts: 372; Member since: 17 Jan 2014)
I never thought I would see the day that Nokia just about patent-trolled another company out of existence. HTC is struggling and doesn't need any more kicks in the guts. Microsoft will be in a great patent position if they pick up a lot of Nokia's handset-related and mobile tech patents.
3. xoxoGeorges (Posts: 207; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
They can't. They only bought a (temporary) license to the patent.
4. Finalflash (Posts: 1905; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
Its all because of MS and Apple, they started their vendetta against Android because they couldn't compete. Can't beat em..litigate em. Oh well there are other more powerful players that can handle themselves though. HTC might die but that should be about all they can kill. I don't know why MS is trying to take out droid companies they make MS more money than their whole devices division.
5. darkkjedii (Posts: 12624; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
"I don't know why MS is trying to take out droid companies they make MS more money than their whole devices division." Obviously there's more going on than you know, or need to know. If you don't work for, sit on the board of, or own these companies, then all you're doing is flapping your gums on PA. The reason you don't know, is because as a loud mouth whiny fanboy consumer, you're not required to know, nor do you need to know, just buy your android device and be happy. Let these multi billion dollar companies, that obviously know what they're doing, do their thing. Trust that MS, apple, google, Nokia, and HTC know their business, they just don't tell it to you...not the real deal money making, moving and shaking business anyway. Continue snooping PA, the big boys sit in the boardrooms.
13. Finalflash (Posts: 1905; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
lol firstly, that line was mainly humor, but I guess fanboys don't get that. Second, stop being such a retarded fanboy all the time, or stop being a self professed unbiased "techie", you can't be both. Just because you don't like what I am saying doesn't mean you have to get up on your tirade about how we should bow down to your corporate deities. I'm just expressing my opinion and don't care who hears it on PA or otherwise.
Also, at least I don't write love letters to Tim Cook and gang on PA like you do hoping they'll return your love physically in person to you one day. As far as I am concerned, most of the patent litigation in the industry write now is the fault of one main instigator (Apple) and a proxy (Nokia for MS). Everyone else ran fair deals and agreements with each other (not Apple's version of fair which was what...$20-40 per device for rubber banding and rectangles).
16. darkkjedii (Posts: 12624; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
You mad bro? What you should do, is since you have this huge issue with apple instead of yapping about it on PA, take directly to apple. Dude honestly, we on PA don't care, we just read your whining give a rebuttal, and keep it pushin. You put all this energy and passion into hating apple, dude nobody cares man. Look at it like this, those who dislike apple weren't gonna buy their stuff anyway, and those who like apple will continue to use their stuff regardless to your whining. It's like blah blah blah to us. Go do a sit in, protest, demand a sit down with Cook, or just STFU. Before you even type it, no I'm not mad, I'm amused at how you waste your time. Call me a fanboy all you want, but I challenge you to find, copy and post the link to an article where I whine and moan like you do. I criticize and credit where it's due, and that includes apple. You whine b**ch, and moan about apple on every friggin article, yet do nothing about their illegal, immoral, deplorable, inhumane, horrible, terrible business practices. I'm cracking up as a type this dude, put this type of energy into the gym, work, family (if you're even old enough to have one), dating, or just getting out. You're stressing yourself for nothing dude. Nothing you or I say will ever make a difference to these juggernauts. Speak with your wallet, and STFU.
28. willard12 (Posts: 886; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
"Just buy your android device and be happy."
This can be difficult if an injunction blocks the sale of the device you want.
34. Taters (Posts: 3598; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Um you can't pay a licensing fee for another company so that you can buy their phone....dumb ass. Lol
40. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3561; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
You're a cool guy.. Very mature.. Very smart...
And, it's a tough job being a WP fan here on PA, but I feel that you give credit where credit is due.... Come on over to more WP related articles and see how some of these ultra biased Android fans behave.. Please come give us some of your reasonable input..
42. darkkjedii (Posts: 12624; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Dude somebody has to check these zomdroids. Nokia has every right to protect their IP as anyone else. If they infringed...jail their asses to the wall. This is big business. Willard Finalflash, and Taters aka Tatard need to just get over it. +1 dude.
52. lyndon420 (Posts: 1785; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Agreed dark...but you forgot to mention the biggest of the big boys - the lawyers in the courtroom. A lawyer who can argue and win a claim that just one company owns the right to produce devices in the most conceivable way (rectangle with rounded corners), suddenly he/she becomes the most valuable asset to a company. Common sense cannot stand against professional courtroom manipulation.
53. darkkjedii (Posts: 12624; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
100% agreed Lyndon. My thing is these loser fanboys that blame apple, MS for everything. All these big boys lie cheat, and steal. None are innocent, you I, and a handful of others know that. Finalflash, taters, and Willard not so much.
9. darkkjedii (Posts: 12624; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
"It's all because of apple and MS" man please, both world wars, the sinking of the Titanic, the fake moon landing, Nessie, the fall of Rome, the Persians conquering of the Greeks, and 911 were all because of apple and MS according to you.
10. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 1472; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)
"I don't know why MS is trying to take out droid companies they make MS more money than their whole devices division."
Actually, it's the other way round. And read the article at least, if you don't know why.
15. Finalflash (Posts: 1905; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
Other way around....MS makes droid companies money? or maybe MS's device division generates a profit without the Android royalties? Neither one is true so I do not get what you mean.
12. stealthd (Posts: 980; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)
Right, Apple "couldn't compete" when they're more successful than all of their competitors combined. And Microsoft didn't "take out" anyone, they just get some profit from companies using their patents.
17. darkkjedii (Posts: 12624; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Dude FF is lost man. He says apple can't compete, cause he doesn't like what they offer. In the actual world of business, not the world of Finalflash, apple is the #1 tech company on earth. There total cash, holdings, and total market cap say they can, and do compete very well. Sorry FF, just cause you don't like em doesn't mean they can't compete. Woo saaaa
20. darkkjedii (Posts: 12624; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Stealthd what's really funny, is that this article is about Nokia and HTC. How the heck did FF get apple outta this? The article isn't even about them. I guarantee everybody on PA rite here rite now. I'm putting this in all caps. WHO EVER LOSES THE SUPERBOWL TOMORROW, FINALFLASH WILL BLAME APPLE FOR THEM LOSING, AND CREDIT GOOGLE WITH THE WINNER WINNING. You heard it here first from the jedii.
35. Taters (Posts: 3598; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Um, only morons can't see the connection here between Apple and Nokia. It is obvious that Nokia saw this as a viable source of income after Apple got away with murder. Apple May be indirectly responsible for this bs but they are responsible...
22. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6736; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
and never learn to compete with one another. and afraid they will loose sales or never gain any. sad that NOKIA stoop this far just to ban again.
27. darkkjedii (Posts: 12624; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Sentences start with capital letters, it's will lose, not will loose.
30. willard12 (Posts: 886; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
It's "their total cash holdings" not "there total cash, holdings."
6. Johnnokia (Posts: 564; Member since: 27 May 2012)
If someone steal your car and want to use it for one year, and them give it back to you... What would you say to him ?
Oh thank you... you could take it any time you like.. Invite your friends for that aswell.
Stop trolling ....
Nokia spent years and billions of dollars to create this great patent portfilio.
24. thealphageek1 (banned) (Posts: 942; Member since: 02 Feb 2013)
+1000 to you both, @darkkjedii @Johnnokia. I don't know why people here on PA would say that Nokia/MS and Apple are patent trolling, can't innovate so must litigate, so forth and so on. Should they just allow ANYONE to steal/use/copy their IP that they have worked hard to innovate? No! If a company wants to use another companies IP, they should pay a fair price for using it. All this none sense that Android fans/Apple/MS/Nokia haters spew is just fanboy rhetoric, at best. In the real world, you must pay for what you want, or pay the price for using what is not yours. End of story.
31. willard12 (Posts: 886; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
By your own logic, Apple should be paying billions for violating another company's IP.
32. darkkjedii (Posts: 12624; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Pay the licensing fee, and STFU. Now that's logic.
33. willard12 (Posts: 886; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
One day it's "pay the fee and STFU." The next day it's "institute a company to attack these innovation killing trolls.".....the many sides of Darkjeddi. He was for it, before he was against it.
Posted on08 Apr 2013, 21:571
7. darkkjedii (Posts: 8513; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Institute it and attack. This crap is killing the innovation engine, and needs to be stopped...
37. darkkjedii (Posts: 12624; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
See post 32. Who cares what you post. 32 says it all. 32, not magic Johnson's number either. Post 32
43. willard12 (Posts: 886; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
But what about the "innovation engine?" You're right, who cares what I post? That's why I'm citing what you posted.
56. thealphageek1 (banned) (Posts: 942; Member since: 02 Feb 2013)
Indeed. I am not a hypocrite like you Android fans/Apple/MS haters are. WHOEVER is in violation of another's IP should pay for it.
36. Taters (Posts: 3598; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Unless they are bulls**t patents. I agree you should pay for well deserved and earned patents. That is the problem here itards and Nokiatards do not understand. Not patents itself.
45. Taters (Posts: 3598; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Darkjedi is more fitting than itard actually. We will stick with that.
50. papss (unregistered)
Yes but this IS something they should protect. HTC has done this over and over again and should have to pay. It blows my mind how you and other fandroid lemmings are so thick and often flood all nokia/M$/apple related articles with a pathetic amount of hate, then get defensive.
19. Liveitup (Posts: 1573; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)
Companies spend billions of dollars on research and development, its never okay for another competiting company to use that company's patents without License, way I see it HTC thinks its above the law.
21. domfonusr (Posts: 372; Member since: 17 Jan 2014)
And it seems that HTC will kill themselves by bludgeoning themselves to death with Nokia's patents... it is hard to imagine anyone willfully doing that.
49. Liveitup (Posts: 1573; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)
Then if this is the fourth time and HTC does not get the message then they simply are stupid.
7. darkkjedii (Posts: 12624; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Nokia, if you have the grounds to sue on, then by all means. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
23. domfonusr (Posts: 372; Member since: 17 Jan 2014)
When in the mobile industry, do as Apple does.
I'm not kidding. This is how things really happen here. Google did this, on the software 'borrowing' end, with Android already. Microsoft and Nokia are now doing the same when it comes to patent litigation. They have all learned from the world's most successful and most valuable mega-corporation. They all want a piece of Apple's success, glory, and profit margins.
In this way, Nokia is not really doing anything new.
26. darkkjedii (Posts: 12624; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
That's true. +1 finalflash is gonna be mad at you lol
58. domfonusr (Posts: 372; Member since: 17 Jan 2014)
Haha... I need more hop scotch death match! +1
60. darkkjedii (Posts: 12624; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Lol, Cook can't hang bro lol. Seriously dude I hadn't played hop scotch in ages. What made me say that is, I was at my sisters playing it with my nieces ages 6&7, they had to remind me of the rules. Good times man lol. +1
61. domfonusr (Posts: 372; Member since: 17 Jan 2014)
Ah yes! My niece is now 9 yrs old, so I can relate. The original comment on hop scotch w/ Cook really made me laugh. It was memorable. It was epic. Great fun...
11. erikiksaz (Posts: 129; Member since: 22 Apr 2010)
So you guys must all agree that ALL granted patents are 100% valid and that the applicant for that patent was ALWAYS the first person to have designed said patent.
14. Finalflash (Posts: 1905; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
They believe if it is their favored doing the suing, then its all good, otherwise it's totally unfair.
18. darkkjedii (Posts: 12624; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Awww him mad. Baby wanna binky and a nappy wappy
48. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1635; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
I love how when apple patent troll everyone hates them but when Nokia do it everybody praises them for defending their 'Ideas'
59. reckless562 (Posts: 1011; Member since: 09 Sep 2013)
bkuz they were true pioneers of modern mobile phones. major players now on harder times than their past times. i support them on trully exclusive to nokia tech. but if they were just first to run to the patent office or something, then obviously no. i think everyone is jus hyped up bout pattents kuz we're ALL, still MAD an cr@pple how they sued over NON-exclusive Shapes!!
of all the things to sue over, a rectangle, Please!!! i think that Messed up Protecting IP for every one, but with Nokia, i have alot more faith kuz theyve jus been making Phones longer. that simple. Apples Mobile suits are a joke in the alley behind a freak carnival, not even close to the Elephants in the middle of the 3 ring circus.