Nokia: two years after the Windows Phone adoption
0. phoneArena 14 Feb 2013, 06:34 posted on
It feels like yesterday when we heard Nokia chief executive Stephen Elop shock the industry with his announcement that the then world’s largest feature…
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126. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
According to you, Win 7 is the same as Win 3.x, and so I'm sure you can't see any reason why it's important not to get into the trap of measuring the future based on the past. Also, the only reason Android managed to take off is because the OS is free to use, and Microsoft didn't bother to invest enough resources to compete in the mobile arena. However, if you honestly believe that WP8 and WP7 are exactly the same thing, then all I can say is that you have absolutely no understanding or experience using these products...
132. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
So...what you are saying is when WP launched....the OS was bad. So bad they had to do a total revamp...of WP 7?
You right.....this is a pointless debate.
133. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Dude....Win 3 vs Win 7...is not the same thing as WP7 to WP8. Thats the very next OS update.
So....what you are saying is MS put out a half ass OS with WP7? But but but.....so many WP users said it was so this n so that, better than this n that, etc.
Which one is it now.....make up your mind......
Android took off because it was the best alternative to the iPhone. In other words....Android answered the iPhone faster and better than MS did in 2008, 2009, 2010 before WP launched.
The progress from Android 1 to 4....I would say Android started getting better with 2.2. Android is on 4 now.....doesnt mean 2.2. or 2.3 suck.
The way you are trying to seperate WP7 and 8....makes it like WP7 sucked. Like I said....I hope when WP9 comes out.....you finally settle on a start date for the dominace of WP. Or are we gonna dismiss WP8?
134. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
WP8 is fundamentally different than WP7, mostly in the sense that it shares a unified UI with it's x86 OS cousin. What does that mean in terms of sales and growth? It means that people using Windows 8 on their desktop, laptop, or tablet can migrate to a smartphone that has a very similiar experience. That boost alone is huge, and if you can't see the value in that connection, it only confirms that you don't understand the technology markets...
78. nasznjoka (Posts: 351; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)
you can cryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy but tha's what it is wp is making noka even a loser. who wants the phone that resembles his/her PC???? we are not conservatives like some of you crying 'babies'
80. speckledapple (Posts: 879; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
I think it should be clear that one cannot compare that transition of Nokia to the rise of Samsung as they both now run two different OSes. Further, the transition with WinPhone could have been even better but even though we can all count it out its still believed that in a few years it will have more marketshare than iOS. Lastly, Nokia in its transition certailny could not expect to maintain its top spot when its products are making such a drastic move. I think it would also be unrealistic for techies to assume the same.
92. samystic (Posts: 192; Member since: 25 Mar 2012)
universal advice to Nokia - adopt Meego / Sailfish - ONLY solution... also trolls and fans of Nokia should give Nokia time to offer more goodies on WP8 (if that is apparently the only way ahead) rather than making stupid statements like 'Victor H. is a Nokia troll' etc.
107. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
There is nothing wrong with WP8, and Microsoft has more resources to offer than some dead in the water open source failure. Also, Victor H most likely has a short position against NOK, and his lack of declaration to the contary only goes to prove that his intentions are suspect...
If Nokia had lost money again in Q4, then I'd be more inclined to believe that WP8 had failed. However, the exact opposite is true, and Nokia made a profit instead. In this case, the numbers do speak for themselves...
112. samystic (Posts: 192; Member since: 25 Mar 2012)
gaining money does not mean success! i work for major service provider in Australia... no one knows about Nokia's WP phones... it is iPhone or S3 all the way in their queries
108. hepresearch (unregistered)
Personally, I think Elop was what was 'burning', not the platform. Embarrassing...
110. lubba (Posts: 1311; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
You f**king android fanboys need to stop your elop hate. If you think you can do better, stop ranting, raving, bitching, like a child and go apply for the CEO position and run the company. Didn't you assholes take note of Nokia's financial report? They made profit. Therefore as a whole he did what needed to be done to get the company rolling again. Compared to other CEOs, he's probably doing a better job than someone like Chou of HTC or marrisa Myers (she's more or less a celebrity CEO).
122. hepresearch (unregistered)
Oh please... I am no Android fanboy, and I do not 'hate' anybody. If you didn't notice, Nokia was actually MORE profitable in Q4 2010, just before the Elopocalypse, than they were just this past Q4 2012. They also had massive brand market share across the world, where now they have a mere 7th of their market share pre-Elop... their only market gains were in the US, and helped Windows go from a few percent to a few more percent in OS market share. Elop did them a sort-of-service in the US, where things have been sketchy but showing some signs of improvement. Elsewhere in the world, killing Symbian killed Nokia's market share dominance worldwide.
It is true that Symbian did not sell well in the US, especially after 2006 or 2007, but it is also true that carriers hated Nokia's standalone-GPS capability built into S60 3rd and 5th, and also in S^3. We can't let those darn Americans stop us from knowing where they are at all times... this is why the so-popular N95 could never come to any US carrier, and yet they sold so many unlocked even in the States, not to mention the rest of the world. The E71x was the first demo of this concept; an S-GPS crippled S60 3rd smartphone for AT&T, and loaded up with crapware. They also crippled the then-recently-discontinued N75 with that lovely 'TabTop' "update" and garbageware that can never be undone without the help of Nemesis and a [subscriber fee paid] flash key, which can now no longer be updated or freshly licensed. The Nuron 5320 was T-Mo's first of these, and the E73 was just such a version of the E72. But those S-GPS gems were still selling unlocked, and even I got my hands on one, an E75. It had to end, and there were people in place, regulators at the FCC ready, and funds available to get the job done. Now, no one will ever think twice about it, and all these lovely Androids and iPhones and Windows Phones (only in the US... the Nokia Lumia 620 has non-crippled S-GPS!) and BlackBerries will forever track your location and upload it to servers and databases for the government's [or maybe someone else's] accessibility and later use for the next seven years of your life.
123. hepresearch (unregistered)
You may laugh at this, and no, I do not hate the government, but look at the evidence of the efforts put into this, and the roadblocks that are obviously there, and tell me that someone or some entity isn't making sure that this idea gets accomplished completely, beyond just the common free-market forces. Capabilities and freedoms are legitimately being taken away. Existing devices are being made illegal to trade or sell based upon new FCC mandates based solely on their A-GPS compatibility AND the new requirement to not be able to turn off or disable A-GPS on any mobile device in the US after 2016. I will never be able to buy a replacement for any of my existing devices that does not rope me into this, or that gives me liberty from needing a data plan at all times, or even gives me the liberty to run my own device the way I want to. It's a brave new world, my friend.
111. raunak (Posts: 505; Member since: 12 Oct 2011)
"The reality of the situation however could not be further away from the truth."
is there something wrong with this sentence or not?
115. MC1123 (Posts: 1247; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
WP is not competitive enough especially that true nokia fans wont buy WP devices made by nokia!!! its a boycott to nokia of not supporting their own software!!!
symbian might be an old aching OS but what happen after belle? it looks like it gain back its young age again!!! but still has that magnificent and powerful OS and power-efficient that even android and iOS still lack!!!
meego is futuristic! a lot of reviewers saw it as the future of nokia, but what did elop do? KILLED IT!!! it was i guess the first OS to recieve lots of love from the reviewers!!
WP is good but not for nokia!!! coz all people know that nokia is the leader of software and hardware innovation!! others just buy stuff and patent it even though they dont own it!!
but anyways, whaty can we do? elop is still there!
and WP didnt even outnumber BB OS!!!
116. jsdechavez (Posts: 708; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
And they just might try Android but it might be too late when that comes..
117. TheCynicalTechie (Posts: 75; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
Why must people have such heated arguments about cell phone companies or operating systems? This is not politics, it should not incite this much negativity. Are people so insecure about their purchases that they must defend it to the death for fear of spending money on the wrong decision?
127. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Well, I can see two reasons for Android fans hating WP8:
1.) Microsoft (viewed as the former dictator of the tech world, aka Windows)
2.) Nokia envy - many in the Android world actually want Nokia in their own space, so they can buy their devices! Nokia = quality*
I think they view Google's open source code as being more ethical than Microsoft or Apple based OS's. However, they are forgetting what Google is doing with their data, via search, and other apps. "Don't be evil" is just a meaningless catch phrase, coming from a huge multi-national firm that trades at more than 780+ per stock...
I won't deny that there are some things Android does well, and I wouldn't mind trying to mod a second mobile device. However, my primary device requires security more than all else, if it is to be used for purchases, and other sensitive wireless interactions. I cannot afford to risk being hacked, and that is how Microsoft should be selling it's WP8 OS versus Android.
Also, the author of this piece (Victor H) failed to disclose his investment positions, meaning that the only purpose of the article might be to slam Nokia without representing all the facts relating to the company and it's current financial status. Short traders take special delight in misleading the unwary and ill informed ;o)
120. lubba (Posts: 1311; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
@MC1123 that's just too bad for them isn't it. Guess those fanboys either need to grow up or change with the times. What does it matter, hate is hate, and there's no stopping that. You can see it in the many posts in this article.