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Nokia: two years after the Windows Phone adoption

0. phoneArena 14 Feb 2013, 06:34 posted on

It feels like yesterday when we heard Nokia chief executive Stephen Elop shock the industry with his announcement that the then world’s largest feature…

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posted on 15 Feb 2013, 09:38 1

125. hepresearch (unregistered)


S40 was never, and will never be, a "smartphone" platform. Whoever said it was, or would be, was being ridiculous.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 17:19 1

129. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)


Well i do agree with you, but theoretically, why not? It can install apps, it can surf the web, it can use modern features like gps and so on... so why not? some people can not afford a lumia...

posted on 16 Feb 2013, 22:03 1

135. hepresearch (unregistered)


Well, they did put a 1GHz processor in a C2-01 (and called it the C2-01.5... LOLwut?), but that certainly couldn't help it do any more than just run as silky smooth as anything Java-based ever could hope to. S40 is more or less the UI overlay, but underneath it is a heart of Java at its core. BREW MP is legitimately closer to being a 'smartphone' platform simply because it is not at all pure Java alone, even with the compatibility codecs being so prominent. Still, I don't know many people, except Qualcomm folks, who realistically consider BREW MP to be a 'smartphone' platform. So, in reality, S40, though it has evolved into a more powerful and flexible UI, is no more of a 'smartphone' than any other typical Java-based feature phone from Samsung, LG, ZTE, Alcatel, you name it... and that is because they are all just proprietary UI's thrown onto the same basic Java core that many feature and basic phones share.

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 21:18

139. hepresearch (unregistered)


Also, I acknowledge that it is often true that good folks are unable to afford a smartphone. I have been in that category for a long time, until just recently. What does someone who wants a smartphone, but can't afford it, do? Change the definition of a 'smartphone' to include Java devices? No! They accept that they cannot currently get a smartphone, but that perhaps they CAN get something that is a feature phone that is still very nice and/or fancy and/or functional. Yes, there are limits to this, but there are plenty of feature phones out there that offer decent function (case-in-point: Nokia's S40 or Qualcomm's BREW MP, among many others... how about Samsung's new REX TouchWiz phones?) or even fashionable and striking appearance (plenty of examples from the past, and I am sure there are a few now). 2 Megapixel, 3.2 Megapixel, and even 5 Megapixel cameras exist on some feature phones. Music players, 720p video recording, WiFi and even LTE have each graced feature phones. There is nothing wrong with getting a nice feature phone if a 'smartphone' is cost-prohibitive. There is no shame in it whatsoever.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:05 6

13. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Wave series phones have been pretty popular in Asia.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:06 8

14. cdgoin (Posts: 539; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)


Because this article was written by someone biased against Nokia that's why.. half what is "reported" is taken out of context or twisted as you point out..

I'm starting to switch from this website to another the iOS fanboys seem to have a firm grip on this website and its starting to show more and more each day.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:11 10

18. wendygarett (unregistered)


2010 Nokia make loss
2011 make loss
2012 make profits...

sound biased?

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 08:41 7

36. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Their 2012 was a financial catastrophe overall.
Billions of loss.
They only posted tiny profit in last quarter.
And that was only because of heavy streamlining and restructuring of the company, with addition to check injections from Microsoft.
Lumia sales have nothing to do with it - they have minimal profit margins anyway.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 09:02 8

38. wendygarett (unregistered)


Dear darac, do you realize that investor has powerful right to sack elop? And ms has no right to stop them?

I love to see fandroid accused ms torture Nokia when ms can't stop Nokia sacked elop, and you guys keep silent when Google torture moto and a lot of American employee lost their jobs because of these... And moto investor can't sack because Google is one of the shareholders...

ms no own Nokia, fandroid shout Nokia tortured by ms
Google owns moto, fandroid silent when Google fire moto staff...

double standard episode 41

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 17:15 3

87. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Most of those "losses" that you keep yapping about were due to one time restructuring fees. Lumia sales for Q4 were more than twice the volume of the previous financial quarter, the Lumia 920 has been consistently in high demand. How about you learn to the the whole story for a change, instead of always concealing things you don't want other people to know about?

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 11:37 4

63. Johnnokia (Posts: 1104; Member since: 27 May 2012)


Watch this name Victor. H ...

Almost 98% of the articles against Nokia and Windows Phone are written by him.

Phonearena ,, I'm an old user here and I'm asking you to fire Victor H. as soon as possible. Otherwise, you would loose your strong credibility.

Guys, before thumbing me down, just have a look on the article archive and pick any anti- Nokia or Windows Phone article, then ...

WATCH WHO IS THE EDITOR >>>>>>> VICTOR. H

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 08:37 7

34. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


You think Nokia squeezed out profit thanks to Lumias?
Think again.
They sell tens of millions Ashas, and few million Lumias.
Also, count in the $250 000 000 quarterly paycheck from Microsoft, to their financial report.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 18:28 2

95. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


"And it has not been exactly two years now has it? Nokia might have signed a bunch of papers two years ago but the first lumia 800 was sold in november 2011"

You are right, on that I agree, it hasnt been a full 2 years. And its been 2 years and 3 months for WP. I keep saying 3 years for WP...lol.

But....2 years for Nokia running WP and 3 years for WP as a whole is approaching.....this year might tell the story for both. And I still say give them both 3 more years.....before we yell FAIL.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 17:22 1

130. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)


You can like wp, you can not like wp, but microsoft is not letting it go cos there is a lot of money to be made. so if you do not like wp... well to bad for you, youll be seeing a lot more of it for far more than 3 years...

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 06:54 13

7. roved (Posts: 1; Member since: 14 Feb 2013)


Well well, quite a bit of scoreboard journalism here I must say...

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 06:54 10

8. yowanvista (Posts: 340; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)


And after 2 years WP is still a niche platform for hipsters.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 06:58 7

9. wendygarett (unregistered)


I love to see phonearena using the pie chart just to bash Nokia and the title says all... And show the glory of Apple and Samsung in the same time :)

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:01 2

11. wendygarett (unregistered)


And I love to see Nikolas Oliver face the blackberry is on 3rd right Below the ios. Hehehehe

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 10:06 6

48. nnookiiaaiisssdooommeed (Posts: 3; Member since: 14 Feb 2013)


Actually.... you should read the Q4 2012 data from that web pages. RIM were number 9 in Q4 2012, so it have a good Q1 & Q2... but in 2013, RIM will surely be number 10 or 11 or 12.

TEN BIGGEST SMARTPHONE MAKERS IN Q4 2012 BY UNITS SALES

Rank . . Manufacturer . Units . . . Market Share . Was in Q3 of 2012
1 (1) . . . Samsung . . . 63.9 M . . 29.7 % . . . . . .( 32.8 %)
2 (2) . . . Apple . . . . . . 47.8 M . . 22.2 % . . . . . . ( 15.7 %)
3 (3) . . . Huawei . . . . . 20.2 M . . . 9.4 % . . . . . . ( 9.3 %)
4 (5) . . . ZTE . . . . . . . 12.4 M . . . 5.8 % . . . . . . ( 4.7 %)
5 (9) . . . Lenovo . . . . . . 9.4 M . . . 4.4 % . . . . . . ( 4.1 %)
6 (4) . . . Sony . . . . . . . 8.7 M . . . 4.0 % . . . . . . ( 5.1 %)
7 (8) . . . LG . . . . . . . . . 8.6 M . . . 4.2 % . . . . . . ( 4.2 %)
8 (6) . . . HTC . . . . . . . . 7.0 M . . . 3.3 % . . . . . . ( 4.6 %)
9 (7) . . . RIM . . . . . . . . 6.9 M . . . 3.2 % . . . . . . ( 4.3 %)
10 (10) . Nokia . . . . . . . 6.6 M . . . 3.1 % . . . . . . ( 3.7 %)
Others . . . . . . . . . . . . 23.6 M . . 10.9 % . . . . . . ( 11.6 %)
TOTAL . . . . . . . . . 215.1 M

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:02 5

12. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 4003; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


Aren't tablets included in the charts and overall readings???
Let's see if Nokia announce tablets this year and if that changes the game.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:06 9

15. cretinick (Posts: 148; Member since: 25 Jan 2011)


And people said that Nokia with Android would be just another Android manufacturer. But with WP it would be The One manufacturer of WP.

Well, Nokia is not the only selling WP. But is the One who only sells WP.

ZTE was 1.2% in 2010 to 5.1% in 2012 using Android.
Nokia was 33.7% in 2010 to 5.1% in 2012 with WP.

Hardly Nokia would have a worse result than ZTE, if using the same weapons!

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 10:04 6

47. nnookiiaaiisssdooommeed (Posts: 3; Member since: 14 Feb 2013)


You should read the Q4 2012 data from that web pages. and read that web... Lenovo ONLY SELL android in China, India, Indonesia, Rusia and become NUMBER 5. If Nokia sell Android in China 2 years ago, Nokia will have at least 50% china market.

TEN BIGGEST SMARTPHONE MAKERS IN Q4 2012 BY UNITS SALES

Rank . . Manufacturer . Units . . . Market Share . Was in Q3 of 2012
1 (1) . . . Samsung . . . 63.9 M . . 29.7 % . . . . . .( 32.8 %)
2 (2) . . . Apple . . . . . . 47.8 M . . 22.2 % . . . . . . ( 15.7 %)
3 (3) . . . Huawei . . . . . 20.2 M . . . 9.4 % . . . . . . ( 9.3 %)
4 (5) . . . ZTE . . . . . . . 12.4 M . . . 5.8 % . . . . . . ( 4.7 %)
5 (9) . . . Lenovo . . . . . . 9.4 M . . . 4.4 % . . . . . . ( 4.1 %)
6 (4) . . . Sony . . . . . . . 8.7 M . . . 4.0 % . . . . . . ( 5.1 %)
7 (8) . . . LG . . . . . . . . . 8.6 M . . . 4.2 % . . . . . . ( 4.2 %)
8 (6) . . . HTC . . . . . . . . 7.0 M . . . 3.3 % . . . . . . ( 4.6 %)
9 (7) . . . RIM . . . . . . . . 6.9 M . . . 3.2 % . . . . . . ( 4.3 %)
10 (10) . Nokia . . . . . . . 6.6 M . . . 3.1 % . . . . . . ( 3.7 %)
Others . . . . . . . . . . . . 23.6 M . . 10.9 % . . . . . . ( 11.6 %)
TOTAL . . . . . . . . . 215.1 M

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 17:10

83. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Where are you getting your numbers from regarding ZTE? How many times do I have to tell you not to take numbers given by the Chinese government on blind faith ;o)

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 19:03 1

98. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


He coulda got them from here too:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-led-the-way-with-a-29-share-of-the-global-smartphone-market-in-Q4_id39575

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 18:34

96. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


You make an excellent point.

I dont think I have even seen a ZTE phone in person....ever. Its posts like this that says to me....Nokia could make a profit running Android....and could be successful. I really think its WP fanboys that dont care if Nokia succeeds or fails...as long as they get to have Nokia running WP and WP only.

But Nokia has made a profit with WP....finally...lol.

So for the WP fans...I wish Nokia well for yall sake. I think heads would explode of a Lumia 920 was to one day run Android.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 19:10

99. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I would like to add...me being a big Motorola fan.....do you think I would care if they did a WP phone? If they did...WP fans might see why I like Motorola. If they made a profit....or more profits with WP, so be it.

I like Motorola....no matter what current OS they run. Even if it was iOS....I wouldnt get an iOS Motorola....lol, but still....whatever helps them succeed, so be it. As long as they continue to have excellent battery life and reception....its all good to me.

The fanboy mindset is insane.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:08 11

16. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Awesome article.
Those numbers speak more than billion words

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:22 10

20. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


People that are upset......it is what it is. Facts speak for themselves. Its not like the writer is making this up.

WP had been out since late 2010. Nokia came on board on 2011?

It is what it is....

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:24 5

22. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)


I don't comment like this usually, but seriously do you guys at PA think that Nokia shouldn't have adopted WP. It's a long term strategy aka results after 3 years or so not instantly. Besides, the 920 and 620 have gained traction. Graphs from Tomi Ahonen, are you kiddin' me? I'd go by his predictions but he seldom paints a real picture of the ground reality with his analysis of late.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 08:55 8

37. Victor.H (Posts: 677; Member since: 27 May 2011)


The numbers are all out there with a small variance for the likes of Samsung that don't report exact sales figures, and we have to rely on analysts and our own common sense for those companies. But in all seriousness, you can't be complaining we used data from Ahonen, we could have easily used figures from any other source and still have the same numbers.

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