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Nokia: two years after the Windows Phone adoption

0. phoneArena 14 Feb 2013, 06:34 posted on

It feels like yesterday when we heard Nokia chief executive Stephen Elop shock the industry with his announcement that the then world’s largest feature…

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posted on 15 Feb 2013, 09:38 1

125. hepresearch (unregistered)


S40 was never, and will never be, a "smartphone" platform. Whoever said it was, or would be, was being ridiculous.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 17:19 1

129. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)


Well i do agree with you, but theoretically, why not? It can install apps, it can surf the web, it can use modern features like gps and so on... so why not? some people can not afford a lumia...

posted on 16 Feb 2013, 22:03 1

135. hepresearch (unregistered)


Well, they did put a 1GHz processor in a C2-01 (and called it the C2-01.5... LOLwut?), but that certainly couldn't help it do any more than just run as silky smooth as anything Java-based ever could hope to. S40 is more or less the UI overlay, but underneath it is a heart of Java at its core. BREW MP is legitimately closer to being a 'smartphone' platform simply because it is not at all pure Java alone, even with the compatibility codecs being so prominent. Still, I don't know many people, except Qualcomm folks, who realistically consider BREW MP to be a 'smartphone' platform. So, in reality, S40, though it has evolved into a more powerful and flexible UI, is no more of a 'smartphone' than any other typical Java-based feature phone from Samsung, LG, ZTE, Alcatel, you name it... and that is because they are all just proprietary UI's thrown onto the same basic Java core that many feature and basic phones share.

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 21:18

139. hepresearch (unregistered)


Also, I acknowledge that it is often true that good folks are unable to afford a smartphone. I have been in that category for a long time, until just recently. What does someone who wants a smartphone, but can't afford it, do? Change the definition of a 'smartphone' to include Java devices? No! They accept that they cannot currently get a smartphone, but that perhaps they CAN get something that is a feature phone that is still very nice and/or fancy and/or functional. Yes, there are limits to this, but there are plenty of feature phones out there that offer decent function (case-in-point: Nokia's S40 or Qualcomm's BREW MP, among many others... how about Samsung's new REX TouchWiz phones?) or even fashionable and striking appearance (plenty of examples from the past, and I am sure there are a few now). 2 Megapixel, 3.2 Megapixel, and even 5 Megapixel cameras exist on some feature phones. Music players, 720p video recording, WiFi and even LTE have each graced feature phones. There is nothing wrong with getting a nice feature phone if a 'smartphone' is cost-prohibitive. There is no shame in it whatsoever.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:05 6

13. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Wave series phones have been pretty popular in Asia.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:06 8

14. cdgoin (Posts: 367; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)


Because this article was written by someone biased against Nokia that's why.. half what is "reported" is taken out of context or twisted as you point out..

I'm starting to switch from this website to another the iOS fanboys seem to have a firm grip on this website and its starting to show more and more each day.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:11 10

18. wendygarett (unregistered)


2010 Nokia make loss
2011 make loss
2012 make profits...

sound biased?

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 08:41 7

36. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Their 2012 was a financial catastrophe overall.
Billions of loss.
They only posted tiny profit in last quarter.
And that was only because of heavy streamlining and restructuring of the company, with addition to check injections from Microsoft.
Lumia sales have nothing to do with it - they have minimal profit margins anyway.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 09:02 8

38. wendygarett (unregistered)


Dear darac, do you realize that investor has powerful right to sack elop? And ms has no right to stop them?

I love to see fandroid accused ms torture Nokia when ms can't stop Nokia sacked elop, and you guys keep silent when Google torture moto and a lot of American employee lost their jobs because of these... And moto investor can't sack because Google is one of the shareholders...

ms no own Nokia, fandroid shout Nokia tortured by ms
Google owns moto, fandroid silent when Google fire moto staff...

double standard episode 41

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 17:15 3

87. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Most of those "losses" that you keep yapping about were due to one time restructuring fees. Lumia sales for Q4 were more than twice the volume of the previous financial quarter, the Lumia 920 has been consistently in high demand. How about you learn to the the whole story for a change, instead of always concealing things you don't want other people to know about?

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 11:37 4

63. Johnnokia (Posts: 512; Member since: 27 May 2012)


Watch this name Victor. H ...

Almost 98% of the articles against Nokia and Windows Phone are written by him.

Phonearena ,, I'm an old user here and I'm asking you to fire Victor H. as soon as possible. Otherwise, you would loose your strong credibility.

Guys, before thumbing me down, just have a look on the article archive and pick any anti- Nokia or Windows Phone article, then ...

WATCH WHO IS THE EDITOR >>>>>>> VICTOR. H

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 08:37 7

34. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


You think Nokia squeezed out profit thanks to Lumias?
Think again.
They sell tens of millions Ashas, and few million Lumias.
Also, count in the $250 000 000 quarterly paycheck from Microsoft, to their financial report.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 18:28 2

95. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


"And it has not been exactly two years now has it? Nokia might have signed a bunch of papers two years ago but the first lumia 800 was sold in november 2011"

You are right, on that I agree, it hasnt been a full 2 years. And its been 2 years and 3 months for WP. I keep saying 3 years for WP...lol.

But....2 years for Nokia running WP and 3 years for WP as a whole is approaching.....this year might tell the story for both. And I still say give them both 3 more years.....before we yell FAIL.

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 17:22 1

130. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)


You can like wp, you can not like wp, but microsoft is not letting it go cos there is a lot of money to be made. so if you do not like wp... well to bad for you, youll be seeing a lot more of it for far more than 3 years...

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 06:54 13

7. roved (Posts: 1; Member since: 14 Feb 2013)


Well well, quite a bit of scoreboard journalism here I must say...

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 06:54 10

8. yowanvista (Posts: 302; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)


And after 2 years WP is still a niche platform for hipsters.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 06:58 7

9. wendygarett (unregistered)


I love to see phonearena using the pie chart just to bash Nokia and the title says all... And show the glory of Apple and Samsung in the same time :)

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:01 2

11. wendygarett (unregistered)


And I love to see Nikolas Oliver face the blackberry is on 3rd right Below the ios. Hehehehe

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 10:06 6

48. nnookiiaaiisssdooommeed (Posts: 3; Member since: 14 Feb 2013)


Actually.... you should read the Q4 2012 data from that web pages. RIM were number 9 in Q4 2012, so it have a good Q1 & Q2... but in 2013, RIM will surely be number 10 or 11 or 12.

TEN BIGGEST SMARTPHONE MAKERS IN Q4 2012 BY UNITS SALES

Rank . . Manufacturer . Units . . . Market Share . Was in Q3 of 2012
1 (1) . . . Samsung . . . 63.9 M . . 29.7 % . . . . . .( 32.8 %)
2 (2) . . . Apple . . . . . . 47.8 M . . 22.2 % . . . . . . ( 15.7 %)
3 (3) . . . Huawei . . . . . 20.2 M . . . 9.4 % . . . . . . ( 9.3 %)
4 (5) . . . ZTE . . . . . . . 12.4 M . . . 5.8 % . . . . . . ( 4.7 %)
5 (9) . . . Lenovo . . . . . . 9.4 M . . . 4.4 % . . . . . . ( 4.1 %)
6 (4) . . . Sony . . . . . . . 8.7 M . . . 4.0 % . . . . . . ( 5.1 %)
7 (8) . . . LG . . . . . . . . . 8.6 M . . . 4.2 % . . . . . . ( 4.2 %)
8 (6) . . . HTC . . . . . . . . 7.0 M . . . 3.3 % . . . . . . ( 4.6 %)
9 (7) . . . RIM . . . . . . . . 6.9 M . . . 3.2 % . . . . . . ( 4.3 %)
10 (10) . Nokia . . . . . . . 6.6 M . . . 3.1 % . . . . . . ( 3.7 %)
Others . . . . . . . . . . . . 23.6 M . . 10.9 % . . . . . . ( 11.6 %)
TOTAL . . . . . . . . . 215.1 M

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:02 5

12. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3009; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


Aren't tablets included in the charts and overall readings???
Let's see if Nokia announce tablets this year and if that changes the game.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:06 9

15. cretinick (Posts: 147; Member since: 25 Jan 2011)


And people said that Nokia with Android would be just another Android manufacturer. But with WP it would be The One manufacturer of WP.

Well, Nokia is not the only selling WP. But is the One who only sells WP.

ZTE was 1.2% in 2010 to 5.1% in 2012 using Android.
Nokia was 33.7% in 2010 to 5.1% in 2012 with WP.

Hardly Nokia would have a worse result than ZTE, if using the same weapons!

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 10:04 6

47. nnookiiaaiisssdooommeed (Posts: 3; Member since: 14 Feb 2013)


You should read the Q4 2012 data from that web pages. and read that web... Lenovo ONLY SELL android in China, India, Indonesia, Rusia and become NUMBER 5. If Nokia sell Android in China 2 years ago, Nokia will have at least 50% china market.

TEN BIGGEST SMARTPHONE MAKERS IN Q4 2012 BY UNITS SALES

Rank . . Manufacturer . Units . . . Market Share . Was in Q3 of 2012
1 (1) . . . Samsung . . . 63.9 M . . 29.7 % . . . . . .( 32.8 %)
2 (2) . . . Apple . . . . . . 47.8 M . . 22.2 % . . . . . . ( 15.7 %)
3 (3) . . . Huawei . . . . . 20.2 M . . . 9.4 % . . . . . . ( 9.3 %)
4 (5) . . . ZTE . . . . . . . 12.4 M . . . 5.8 % . . . . . . ( 4.7 %)
5 (9) . . . Lenovo . . . . . . 9.4 M . . . 4.4 % . . . . . . ( 4.1 %)
6 (4) . . . Sony . . . . . . . 8.7 M . . . 4.0 % . . . . . . ( 5.1 %)
7 (8) . . . LG . . . . . . . . . 8.6 M . . . 4.2 % . . . . . . ( 4.2 %)
8 (6) . . . HTC . . . . . . . . 7.0 M . . . 3.3 % . . . . . . ( 4.6 %)
9 (7) . . . RIM . . . . . . . . 6.9 M . . . 3.2 % . . . . . . ( 4.3 %)
10 (10) . Nokia . . . . . . . 6.6 M . . . 3.1 % . . . . . . ( 3.7 %)
Others . . . . . . . . . . . . 23.6 M . . 10.9 % . . . . . . ( 11.6 %)
TOTAL . . . . . . . . . 215.1 M

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 17:10

83. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Where are you getting your numbers from regarding ZTE? How many times do I have to tell you not to take numbers given by the Chinese government on blind faith ;o)

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 19:03 1

98. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


He coulda got them from here too:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-led-the-way-with-a-29-share-of-the-global-smartphone-market-in-Q4_id39575

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 18:34

96. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


You make an excellent point.

I dont think I have even seen a ZTE phone in person....ever. Its posts like this that says to me....Nokia could make a profit running Android....and could be successful. I really think its WP fanboys that dont care if Nokia succeeds or fails...as long as they get to have Nokia running WP and WP only.

But Nokia has made a profit with WP....finally...lol.

So for the WP fans...I wish Nokia well for yall sake. I think heads would explode of a Lumia 920 was to one day run Android.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 19:10

99. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I would like to add...me being a big Motorola fan.....do you think I would care if they did a WP phone? If they did...WP fans might see why I like Motorola. If they made a profit....or more profits with WP, so be it.

I like Motorola....no matter what current OS they run. Even if it was iOS....I wouldnt get an iOS Motorola....lol, but still....whatever helps them succeed, so be it. As long as they continue to have excellent battery life and reception....its all good to me.

The fanboy mindset is insane.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:08 11

16. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Awesome article.
Those numbers speak more than billion words

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:22 10

20. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


People that are upset......it is what it is. Facts speak for themselves. Its not like the writer is making this up.

WP had been out since late 2010. Nokia came on board on 2011?

It is what it is....

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:24 5

22. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)


I don't comment like this usually, but seriously do you guys at PA think that Nokia shouldn't have adopted WP. It's a long term strategy aka results after 3 years or so not instantly. Besides, the 920 and 620 have gained traction. Graphs from Tomi Ahonen, are you kiddin' me? I'd go by his predictions but he seldom paints a real picture of the ground reality with his analysis of late.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 08:55 8

37. Victor.H (Posts: 410; Member since: 27 May 2011)


The numbers are all out there with a small variance for the likes of Samsung that don't report exact sales figures, and we have to rely on analysts and our own common sense for those companies. But in all seriousness, you can't be complaining we used data from Ahonen, we could have easily used figures from any other source and still have the same numbers.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 10:11 3

49. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)


+-20% is fine. I'm not complaining about the numbers. But the fact is Tomi is somewhat twisting the facts to suit his ideology. "it could be too little and too late for the company to claim back its spot in the lead." No it isn't. Besides Nokia has other businesses like NSN (recently contracted to build TD-LTE network in China) and Navteq. "Nokia’s camera guru Damian Dinning has left" case of personal issues and then there are Partinen and Juha yet.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 11:35 3

60. Johnnokia (Posts: 512; Member since: 27 May 2012)


Watch this name Victor. H ...

Almost 98% of the articles against Nokia and Windows Phone are written by him.

Phonearena ,, I'm an old user here and I'm asking you to fire Victor H. as soon as possible. Otherwise, you would loose your strong credibility.

Guys, before thumbing me down, just have a look on the article archive and pick any anti- Nokia or Windows Phone article, then ...

WATCH WHO IS THE EDITOR >>>>>>> VICTOR. H

posted on 15 Feb 2013, 08:08 1

121. hepresearch (unregistered)


Why so scared of poor Victor? We've got to have someone here who keeps the iPhone fans informed and happy. Otherwise, we would be commenting on articles in Android Arena...

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 11:42 2

64. Johnnokia (Posts: 512; Member since: 27 May 2012)


The last market share reported by Phonearena or GSMArena or Endgaget said that Nokia is in the third place for 2012 Smart Phone Market ... In addition, no one mentioned anything related to Bada ... From where are you getting these numbers ?????..

As an old user for this site, I don't like your articles at all.
I tried not to mention that many times, but now I sould speak and let's everyone knows and figures you.

Stop hating !!.
I and many users will report this issue to Phonearena's adminstration.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 17:05 2

81. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


How's your short position with NOK doing, Victory Buddy? Maybe next time you should disclose your trade positions before writing and posting negative and/or misleading articles...

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 20:04 1

105. papss (unregistered)


Haha... Too funny... Seriously let someone else write articles or should i say "blog" versus this clown.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 10:00 7

46. nnookiiaaiisssdooommeed (Posts: 3; Member since: 14 Feb 2013)


You should read the Q4 2012 data from that web pages. It even more shocking for you.... Nokia is number 10... NUMBER 10...

TEN BIGGEST SMARTPHONE MAKERS IN Q4 2012 BY UNITS SALES

Rank . . Manufacturer . Units . . . Market Share . Was in Q3 of 2012
1 (1) . . . Samsung . . . 63.9 M . . 29.7 % . . . . . .( 32.8 %)
2 (2) . . . Apple . . . . . . 47.8 M . . 22.2 % . . . . . . ( 15.7 %)
3 (3) . . . Huawei . . . . . 20.2 M . . . 9.4 % . . . . . . ( 9.3 %)
4 (5) . . . ZTE . . . . . . . 12.4 M . . . 5.8 % . . . . . . ( 4.7 %)
5 (9) . . . Lenovo . . . . . . 9.4 M . . . 4.4 % . . . . . . ( 4.1 %)
6 (4) . . . Sony . . . . . . . 8.7 M . . . 4.0 % . . . . . . ( 5.1 %)
7 (8) . . . LG . . . . . . . . . 8.6 M . . . 4.2 % . . . . . . ( 4.2 %)
8 (6) . . . HTC . . . . . . . . 7.0 M . . . 3.3 % . . . . . . ( 4.6 %)
9 (7) . . . RIM . . . . . . . . 6.9 M . . . 3.2 % . . . . . . ( 4.3 %)
10 (10) . Nokia . . . . . . . 6.6 M . . . 3.1 % . . . . . . ( 3.7 %)
Others . . . . . . . . . . . . 23.6 M . . 10.9 % . . . . . . ( 11.6 %)
TOTAL . . . . . . . . . 215.1 M

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 10:24 3

50. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)


Actually, you should stop posting the same thing again and again.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 18:19 2

94. samystic (Posts: 189; Member since: 25 Mar 2012)


and change your username... it confirms your IQ of less than 50

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:27 1

23. tiara6918 (Posts: 1392; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


I think the problem lies within Nokia, wp os still has a chance to grow since there is also huawei,HTC and samsung which makes wp8 handsets

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 09:17 8

39. tashreef (Posts: 476; Member since: 24 Nov 2012)


You think Problem lies with in Nokia ?are you serious?

WP is on the chart that's because of Nokia... huawei,HTC and samsung which makes wp8 handsets!!!! HTC is the only manufacturer which is bit popular with its WP devices ... Nokia is leading WP market ... it takes years to see some good results..... hope to see Nokia back on full chart...

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:36 11

24. sonofzeus (Posts: 95; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


Nokia is must realise that they are a consumer electronics company which means their job is to provide devices what the Customer wants

Mr Elop time to step down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:37 10

25. nikenturd (unregistered)


Elop is an idiot

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 11:57

69. Wiki_jaan (Posts: 702; Member since: 24 Jun 2012)


i dont get it ...... ppl still dislike top comment like this

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:49 5

27. AamirSIII (banned) (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Oct 2012)


what??? bada beat Windows phone in 2012??? for real?? well, TBH, i loved my Wave S8500 which i sold last month!

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 07:52 8

28. volcano (Posts: 253; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)


and i was complimenting phonearena for writing good news about windowsphone apparently there still trolls writers on phonearena

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 08:39 9

35. ilia1986 (unregistered)


So, Nokia, if choosing Android is like "pissing in your pants" I guess that choosing WP is like sh*tting in them.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 10:36 3

53. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


Well... Nokia might get a bump back up this year, but who knows, more competitors are picking up WP this year.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 11:19 3

54. akki20892 (Posts: 3421; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


wait and watch guys

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 11:21 3

55. eanpreou (Posts: 19; Member since: 14 Feb 2013)


When I read the title I guessed the author would be Victor H. and damn! I should have bet my money with it. He's a known Nokia troll ever since. And here I thought he was losing his touch but boy he's back and even more vindictive.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 14:54 3

79. Johnnokia (Posts: 512; Member since: 27 May 2012)


Victor.H should be fired from this site.... listed to your readers Phonearena.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 11:21 3

56. Loubielou (Posts: 208; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Mr Elop was just acting like a Salesman for Microsoft when he moved in at Nokia,but what he said on Febuary 11th will Always haunt Nokia,as what as Mr Elop done at Nokia as been nothing outstanding at All,Symbian was more like Android as its more Open,Windows is just to Restricted for alot of consumers,Samsung seem to have learnt from the mistakes made by Nokia an have Advanced more rapidly,Microsoft thought they could do what Apple have done in be succesful in the Computer an Mobile Markets,so just invested loads of money into Nokia but the Salesman they chose was the Wrong one as he does not seem to see what consumers want from Smartphones

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 14:21 1

75. freebee269 (Posts: 520; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)


"Microsoft thought they could do what Apple have done in be succesful in the Computer an Mobile Markets"

why would microsoft do what apple did with computers when they have already beaten apple in the computer market by a few years?

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 12:06 1

70. Bilpocalypse (Posts: 301; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)


The reason that sales aren't any better has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the product. It has alot more to do with the amount of bias in the phone industry. Iphones sell well because they are popular (and considered a status symbol), not because they are the best phone you can get. Anyone who has picked up a Note II or a GS3 will agree with me. In my store, our best seller right now is the Lumia 920, second best is the iPhone, and then the GS3... mainly because we actually educate the customers of the pros and cons of each, then let them decide what fits them best.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 12:32 2

72. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


Seriously phagarena! If its anything related to MS, you folks do your best to make them look bad. I've never ever seen Tim cook looking like a clown on your website. The point though is not about pics but mere professionalism. You asses just don't show it!!!

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 14:17 1

74. freebee269 (Posts: 520; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)


in my opinion, this article in 2014 will look pretty dumb when windows phone has gained more traction and nokia being the leading windows phone manufacturer.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 14:42 4

77. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


I just love misleading articles that focus on the past, instead of the present or the future. WP8 was released in late October, 2012. WP8 has existed only for about five months, but is already the fastest growing mobile OS in the world. However, Phone Arena obviously isn't happy about this development, which explains why they are posting propoganda to try and give the incorrect impression that Nokia is about to go broke, or that Microsoft has failed to establish a viable third eco-system. Let me sum up the facts, seeing as the author is trying to mislead readers:

1.) Nokia was going broke long before Elop took over, and posted continual losses for the past five years, until the previous Q4. Thanks to Elop, it is now in the black again...

2.) There were almost 9.1 million Asha phones sold (low end smartphones), and 4.4 million Lumias, the likes of which doubled in sales from the previous quarter.

3.) The Lumia 920 is already a smash hit, and it proved that Nokia can build a flagship smartphone that can compete with the best of Android. As well, Nokia recently signed a deal with China mobile to provide smartphone devices, and Apple is unable to do so because the iPhone does not support the frequencies use by China's biggest mobile carrier..

4.) Apple and Microsoft and Nokia are not finished with the patent wars against Google, meaning that Samsung is not out of the woods, nor are the rest of the Android OEM's. It should also be noted that only Samsung significant profits from Android, and the rest of the OEM's are basically starving.

5.) Despite the limited success of the Samsung Galaxy Tablet series, the only contender that might be able to break the iPAD monopoly is the Microsoft Surface Pro. However, other Windows vendors including Nokia may take a shot at building a tablet as well, and I expect Windows OEM's (not Android) to make significant inroads into the tablet market.

The bottom line is that Nokia is already on the road to recovery, and Phone Arena is not reporting responsibly by failing to include the current financial status of the company, or the fact that other Android OEM's are jumping ship. Windows Phone already has Nokia, Samsung, HTC, Huawei, Asus, and there are reports that LG make start making WP8 devices as well.

Readers expect to be porvided current information, not recycled market share reports from 2012, months before WP8 even existed. Victor H should also disclose if he has any trade positions related to the company that he's dissing, which might include possible short positions against NOK.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 18:57 2

97. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


This is the difference between posting facts...and posting......something else:

"or the fact that other Android OEM's are jumping ship. Windows Phone already has Nokia, Samsung, HTC, Huawei, Asus, and there are reports that LG make start making WP8 devices as well."

They havent jumped anything. They do.....BOTH .....Android and WP. Only Nokia is WP only. ...Where do you think LG, Samsung, HTC and the others are making the most money? LG was there from the beginning of WP, just like Samsung, Dell and HTC. Now....folks are trying to seperate WP8 from WP7? Since LG made a WP7 phone and didnt make any more...them making a WP8 phone is jumping ship from Android?

Wow....

http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-says-it-sells-an-L-Series-phone-every-second-in-2013_id39798

And I think the Nexus 4 is still selling well. As long as they keep it stocked and ready to ship....

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-said-to-be-expecting-sweeping-demand-for-Galaxy-S-IV-sales-to-reach-100-million-units_id39791

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Extremely-affordable-quad-core-Micromax-A116-Canvas-HD-arrives-sold-out-in-hours_id39772

http://www.phonearena.com/news/HP-to-build-Android-flavored-tablet_id39757

Here's one for you about jumping ship: jumping ship....to...Android.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Luxury-phone-maker-Vertu-ditches-Windows-Phone-8-plans-will-focus-on-Android_id39793

The ZTE numbers?:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-led-the-way-with-a-29-share-of-the-global-smartphone-market-in-Q4_id39575

ZTE number are more than Nokia and BB. Nokia and BB combined just barely moves past ZTE numbers...

You mean to tell me ZTE is doing better than Nokia....I have yet to even see a ZTE phone ever in my life. I actually remember using Nokia back in the day. I still like Nokia....I just dont like WP.

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 20:25 2

106. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Are you still pretending that WP7 is the same as WP8? Well then, I guess you probably think DOS 6.x was the same as Windows 95, right? Here's a brilliant concept you might think to consider: same OS, different UI and protocols. Also, WP8 has some API's that are the same as WIN 8 and RT, which didn't exist before. So, is it the same mobile OS? Not unless you consider HTML 5 to be the same thing as HTML 4, or earlier versions. There is no comparison, and the fact that you don't realize the difference is proof enough about your ignorance regarding the OS...

Also, your ZTE numbers are bound to be as accurate as the numbers regarding BIDU, which means completely unreliable and possibly fabricated. That isn't to say ZTE doesn't produce anything of value, but you should know better than to post numbers assocated with Chinese firms. If you feel so confident about their so called disclosures, and accountability system, then I dare you to invest money in Chinese companies...

Finally, The Nexus 4 is not selling well. According to Google's own numbers, they may have sold a million of the device in total. That's a joke, and so you can consider the N4 to be a disaster in sales, even if it wasn't a badly designed device.

Bottom line is that you may not like WP8, but sales are picking up, and Microsoft and Nokia have enough to offer to compete with Google and Samsung. Android has taken years to build momentum, and WP8 is just getting started. Get back to me in a few years, and we'll see how your argument stands. Right now, you people are just talking about of your A33

Finally, the author of this absurd article (Victor H) should have disclosed his investment positions. Otherwise I'll just consider it the stupid rantings and misleading statements of a short trader taking his shots at NOK, for the sake of a self serving agenda...

posted on 14 Feb 2013, 23:46 2

114. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


So....you are saying the difference between WP7 and 8..is so great....a company could do a phone for 1...and not the other?

It didnt stop Samsung or HTC from moving along from 7 to 8. Samsung and HTC did a phone for each version of WP.

Those ZTE number are also from the same company that post Android, BB and iOS numbers... I guess they are right for them, but wrong for ZTE?

Right.

http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Press_Releases/2011/2/comScore_Reports_December_2010_U.S._Mobile_Subscriber_Market_Share

Android rose in 2 years...same as the iPhone. WP is going on 3 years. You keep saying WP8....and totally dismissing WP7. Here's what we will do...since you wanna seperate WP7 and WP8.....lets seperate older version of Android running on low end hardware vs phones running Android 2.3 and up. Since thats basically whats going on with WP7 vs 8.

First it was WP is just starting when it came out in late 2010. NOW...its WP8 is just starting. Whats it gonna be when WP9 comes out....do we reset the start date yet again with that too?

I wish WP fans would make up their mind...

Hey...whetever helps to justify your post....

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