Nokia to break up with Samsung as supplier, too, as 'the firewall is as sturdy as a pile of kimchi'
0. phoneArena posted on 15 Feb 2013, 06:20
Conflict of interest is cited as Nokia is straight-out concerned that information might leak from Samsung's conveyor belts to the higher-ups, indicating what handsets the company has in the pipeline...
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93. hepresearch (unregistered) posted on 15 Feb 2013, 11:05 1 0
Nokia didn't throw a fit back then, did they? But then Apple happened... litigation went crazy, and the noisy goofball got rewarded. It showed the others that bad behavior and rocking-the-boat pays off. It is no surprise that Nokia and others may join this bandwagon. They are learning from Apple that bad behavior and childish outcry pays well for a minimum in legitimate effort. The squeeky wheel got the grease. Others will soon follow suit... and I mean that both figuratively and literally.
103. akki20892 posted on 15 Feb 2013, 12:09 1 1
dude not amoled the flexible oled screen.....read complete story first
116. applesauce posted on 15 Feb 2013, 13:29 1 0
Not AMOLEDs, specifically, but I know some Nokia ClearBlack screens were manufactured by Samsung
5. ryq24 posted on 15 Feb 2013, 06:32 11 1
hyundai use to have a tie up with mistubishi. once they know how to make cars they kick mitsubishi out. samsung use to have tie up with sony, once they got the technology they parted ways with sony. that's business.
41. MrJerry posted on 15 Feb 2013, 08:08 3 1
Im not so sure about that
But even if those are true story, it just sounds like those two japanese companies are losers.
Let me give you guys an example.
If im basketball player and Michael Jordan is my roll model so i follow his every moves and try to learn every his skills
Someday i can play better than him.
This is what we all do or should do to become better us.
But it seems people(or maybe true haters) just like to call them
Cmon...if its like that we all have same thing same brand and no more innovation by now
Open your eyes and mind..
Dont get me wrong im not directly talking to you
45. haseebzahid posted on 15 Feb 2013, 08:24 2 1
lol your basketball example made me laugh dude that's a game and tricks are open you can see them perform and they don't sign a patent that this stun or moves are property of this player only. But in business contracts are stick and one violates other have no option to withdraw soon as possible or fight in court which is apples way don't know Nokia goes that way or not.
Nokia will certainly not want Samsung to copy their pureview a research of 5 years in a 3 months
58. MrJerry posted on 15 Feb 2013, 09:00 1 0
It is just an example nothing more.
Yes like you said business is business..it is strict and a real world.
So samsung is doing better business than the others except for apple since they are selling and making far more money than them.
So simple :)
6. p0rkguy posted on 15 Feb 2013, 06:33 11 3
When you see a Samsung (certain specialized new design for) OLED phone as you surely will, you are looking at something that was stolen from Nokia.
Lay off the crack and put on some lipsticks, Microsoft wants to ram something good.
28. jsdechavez posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:23 9 6
A lot of hate from Sammy fans geez. Nokia is merely protecting its assets. What's wrong with that? But perhaps unconsciously these Samsung fans can't wait to be really on top of everything (top up the Pureview, lagless WP, secure Blackberry).. I know they want too.
47. haseebzahid posted on 15 Feb 2013, 08:26 6 5
simply Samsung and their fans are same mental level they support every legal or illegal moves if this story is true.
8. jroc74 posted on 15 Feb 2013, 06:36 12 4
Whoa...thats a pretty big accusation from Nokia.
Has anything with Pureview shown up anywhere else but a Nokia phone? Are they assuming, or do they know? And OLED screens...that doesnt make sense. Samsung has been using LED technology in HDTVs before the phones...If I'm not mistaken.
Where's what I dont get: Sony makes camera tech available to different companies. Is Nokia worried about Samsung stealing info...or they dont wanna lisence the info out to anyone else?
What is Nokia really trying to say here? Are they basing all this off the Apple vs Samsung saga?
And I already know the direction this comment section is gonna take...
16. CardiWPfan posted on 15 Feb 2013, 06:59 2 3
You know exactly what Nokia is trying to convey!!! Its not so much as what is showing up now, but what will be showing up soon!!! Its all a players game and its all technological brinkmanship that is on the way!!
10. kaliil10 posted on 15 Feb 2013, 06:42 6 12
Europian and American industries want to destroy the Asian handworkers.
19. CardiWPfan posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:01 5 3
You don't seriously believe that do you?????? You have got to be kidding me here!!
27. jsdechavez posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:20 4 3
I think this report is implying that Samsung as a parts manufacturer is taking advantage of the tech outsourced to its plants for production. It's not about the nationalities of the workers.
57. gravityron posted on 15 Feb 2013, 08:58 2 4
I agree. For almost 10 months now, I have been noticing an uptick in the amount of racially/ethnically "insensitive" news stories concerning Asians. The situation in Australia with Koreans being targeted with assault. The Hollister clothing models in Korea (and elsewhere) with the "chinky" eyes. Now, this "pile of kimchi." Kimchi is not "piled." Kimchi is stacked in storage containers. Animal feces is in piles. So ... jsdechavez, I would have left this story alone and I would have reluctantly conceded that "It's not about the nationalities of the workers." I would have considered it "borderline" - but the kimchi reference is, without question, offensive.
77. a_merryman posted on 15 Feb 2013, 10:09 2 1
Seriously, settle down, this isn't a racial issue. It is one company reportedly stealing and passing secrets from another. The situation in Australia with Asian immigrants is lamentable, but large influxes of immigrants are typically looked at poorly in the countries they migrate too when they reach a certain population size (Take for example Latin people in the U.S., Muslims in Europe, or even people of other Asian descent in Japan.)
You really shouldn't be comparing those things to come to the conclusion that the world at large is against Asians or something crazy like that.
As for the last part, clearly the "insider" was trying to make a joke, which came off in poor taste and not funny. He was comparing that instead of there being a sturdy wall between the supplying portion of Samsungs business and their handset business there is actually very weak and not much of a wall at all. He used kimchi because Koreans are known for their kimchi, probably the most after their technology. (Shortly before delicious sam-gyup-sal..mmmm korean bbq.) And it's true, koreans love their kimchi, they give it to you as an appetizer at every korean restaurant you go to, and I eat it whenever I'm over at my gf's house because she also always has some. It wasn't racist, it was just a poorly thought up joke.
This is about one company purportedly stealing secrets from another and nothing else, try to not make it about anything else. Hopefully we'll find out more info if Samsung is actually guilty of what this insider says or not.
122. gravityron posted on 15 Feb 2013, 16:05 0 1
"clearly the "insider" was trying to make a joke, which came off in poor taste and not funny" - the standard defense of a racist.
132. a_merryman posted on 15 Feb 2013, 18:37 0 0
And bringing unrelated issues into the topic is in no way trying to justify your own misguided viewpoint? I mean, you literally scoured the entire earth to find incidents to back up your viewpoint that the world is against Asians (andseemingly Koreans, specifically, in your viewpoint). And I'm not defending him, I'm saying he made stupid remarks that were him trying to make a joke. Do I think people are bigoted if they bring in hamburgers to make a point about Americans. No. i think they're retarded and move on with my life.Instead of acting like a thin-skinned child, there is real racism and bigotry in the world that needs to be addressed (such as what is happening in Australia)...this isn't one of those things. It's about a business possibly stealing from another business.
72. Johnnokia posted on 15 Feb 2013, 09:49 8 1
I'm from Asia and I don't care about Asian industry.
I support the perfect American and Europian industry.. Especially the products that came from the Finnish legendary.
13. tiara6918 posted on 15 Feb 2013, 06:49 10 4
First apple and now nokia? What the heck sammy?!
15. CardiWPfan posted on 15 Feb 2013, 06:56 8 9
Yes I distrust Samsung as an industry insider because of their industry reconnaissance stealing. Just disgusting Samsung, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, ALAS its a DUCK!!!
14. CardiWPfan posted on 15 Feb 2013, 06:53 10 8
I concur with Nokia move on this issue. Cut ties with Samsung, NOW!!! Alot of you talking s**te must look at the bigger picture here and why Nokia is doing it. Samsung always has a 1 up on its competitiors when it sells its components and parts. Nokia, Blackberry, Apple, Sony etc all used or for the most part use Samsung components. Don't you all find it ironic that Samsung always knows what its competitors are bringing to the table because of this. The industry will be introducing some phenomenal technology in the coming months. Bendable screens etc, simply remarkable technology because of patenting Nokia saw its best interest to seperate before Samsung steals another major idea. Shame on you Samsung, becareful what your doing. Samsung it will comeback to haunt you in a major way. You will all know what I am speaking about in 6 months time.
117. applesauce posted on 15 Feb 2013, 13:36 0 0
I almost downvoted you because you can't spell/use "you're
And it wouldn't be "ironic" of Samsung knowing what the competitors are developing, it'd be coincidental.
Other than that, I mostly agree with your post (#14)
131. CardiWPfan posted on 15 Feb 2013, 18:19 0 0
Thank you applesauce, I appreciate your views and points. I can live with that!! I liked that you could approach the conversation without being prudish!!
24. Diego! posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:14 7 10
Mmm I think a lot of companies are jealous of Sammy... But what they don't get is that Samsung is full investing in... Samsung! :P Nokia what an awful way to deceive your supplier. Anyway, I stick to Samsung this time. OLED and AMOLED technologies appear on Samsung phones FIRST! No one can deny that!
29. CardiWPfan posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:24 5 7
And no one is denying anything, in fact I applaud Samsung for bringing the technology to the forefront. The problem is Samsung is now becoming a technological nuisance and its sickning to say the least. Pay close attention to what Sharp, LG and Panasonic and what they are no going to bring to the table.
49. jlp34876 posted on 15 Feb 2013, 08:30 4 4
"Nokia ordered...Samsung made...Samsung canceled...Samsung used the materials meant for Nokia. " - Nathan_ingx
51. jlp34876 posted on 15 Feb 2013, 08:37 3 4
Did you even read the last paragraph?
92. bon24x7 posted on 15 Feb 2013, 10:59 2 1
Nokia N85 released Q3 2008
Samsung i8910 released Q1 2009
Who was first in AMOLED phones..? come again...
stop being a dumbass fanboy..jerk...
137. bon24x7 posted on 15 Feb 2013, 22:13 2 0
son...don't speak to your dad like that...
147. amansingal14 posted on 16 Feb 2013, 04:23 2 0
Actually, yes he'd say hi to your grandmom and your aunt...
25. jsdechavez posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:15 4 3
AMOLED is merely one type of OLED. Samsung owns AMOLED but there are other innovators in OLED such as Nokia, Sharp, and LG. Much as they already did with Apple tech and designs, it would be a small thing to copy some small, hidden tech inside some chip or display.
30. amansingal14 posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:37 10 12
Samsung is a thief... Nothing new. They name others' innovation as their own...
Bad Samsung, really bad
59. gravityron posted on 15 Feb 2013, 09:08 2 0
I have no proof that this statement is not true. But, I will ask - Samsung is unique in situation? Apple? Microsoft? Facebook? Haven't they all conceded at some point or another? But, when all those accusations were being thrown around before, nobody threw in the racial slurs - "piles of kimchi!"
61. hepresearch (unregistered) posted on 15 Feb 2013, 09:10 3 1
A type of food is a racial slur?
64. gravityron posted on 15 Feb 2013, 09:23 4 1
I know what kimchi is - I am Korean. Clearly a type of food is not a racial slur. But you keep trying to figure this out ... ok?
67. hepresearch (unregistered) posted on 15 Feb 2013, 09:31 2 0
Apparently I am missing something here. I thought that this was a kind of food. I love food, and I enjoy eating food of all kids. To this day, there is only one kind of food that still makes me gag, but that is another story altogether. I like food from just about anwhere... ravioli, potatoes, beef, rice, pizza, cranberry sauce, hamburgers, you name it. Allegories involving food are very entertaining to me, and are great for getting educational points into my mind. I don't understand how I did, but just the same I apologize if I offended you in any way.
78. Nathan_ingx posted on 15 Feb 2013, 10:09 3 0
Hey bro, hope you doing good :) greetings.
Coming to the point, 'Kimchi' is a traditional food of the Koreans, and that Samsung is from Korea...using the noun can be a form of disrespect. I'm just taking the example they use here...there are many examples with foods in relation with discrimination.
Have you ever seen Russel Peters' show? He sets pretty good examples.
82. hepresearch (unregistered) posted on 15 Feb 2013, 10:33 3 1
Hey! Good to see you, sir! Yeah, I am starting to see as I read more... I think this has more to do with the associated function involved by the quoted official and repeated in the title by the author (and admittedly I re-used the same, not thinking, in a commen of minet)... the proper term "stacks" as opposed to that used originally by the statement maker ("piles"). It seems to me that is the issue here... it doesn't help that here in America we have a rather uncouth cultural habit of referring to a large plate of just about any kind of food as a "pile" of the same... a "pile" of mashed potatoes, a "pile" of spaghetti, a "pile" of beans and rice. In the proper terminology overseas, it seems that a "pile" is automatically a reference to something else not so pleasant. Thus, unfortunately, Americans everywhere are being offensive without even thinking about it. I have to say I have never seen any of Russel Peters' shows, but maybe people here in the US should be more careful about what they are saying. A lot of Americans also have a problem these days of holding little or nothing sacred... it is definitely becoming a greater problem in our culture, regardless of belief backgrounds.
94. Nathan_ingx posted on 15 Feb 2013, 11:15 2 0
I understand. I don't blame anyone...but unfortunately, people notice negative points (may or may not be intentional) faster than the speed of sound, lol. So one goes boom and it echos down the mountain. I don't know if, whoever said that, meant anything racial but it came out at a very wrong time even if it was meant to be unintentional.
123. gravityron posted on 15 Feb 2013, 16:18 1 0
Thank you Nathan_ingx and hepresearch. Intelligent statements such as yours give me confidence. Thank you for your critical thinking and understanding. Cheers.
138. Nathan_ingx posted on 15 Feb 2013, 22:42 1 0
No problem mate! Cheers! :)
155. hepresearch (unregistered) posted on 16 Feb 2013, 13:56 1 0
Thank you, sir, for giving me the opportunity to find something new to add to my perspective. Your willingness to work with me on this intellectual point, and to freely forgive me for my blundering errors, is refreshing. Cheers... and all my best regards to you, sir.
145. amansingal14 posted on 16 Feb 2013, 04:14 0 1
Oh so you're Korean?
I bet Samsung is too...
So STFU fanboy/fangirl
And yeah decide whether you're gravity in Korea or Ron...
154. hepresearch (unregistered) posted on 16 Feb 2013, 13:50 1 0
We just had an intelligent side-conversation that was respectful and uplifting, and had little to do with Samsung at all, so why are you here spouting filth after everything and anything that needed saying for any good purpose in this end of the thread has already been said? Why are you so angry? Why are you being personal and disrespectful? Why are you here?
158. amansingal14 posted on 17 Feb 2013, 03:18 1 0
I am sorry sir, I didn't read the further comments before responding and thought that some fanboy/fangirl has just commented against personal opinions...
This was not meant to be taken seriously sir, and I am really sorry for the comment I made. I would like to delete the previous comment but do not know how to do it without reporting it...
159. hepresearch (unregistered) posted on 17 Feb 2013, 19:39 0 0
Don't worry about it. I appreciate the apology, and besides I've done my share of apologizing too. If it is up to me, I forgive you. I need just as much forgiveness myself. Everyone gets to make the choice to forgive, or not, for themselves. Others may speak for themselves... but one thing is for sure; please, let's all be a little more respectful and sensitive to the feelings of others no matter what we are talking about.
For now, it is just good to see people like me, yourself, and others, acknowledging the issue enough to recognize it and want to do better in the future. All the best to you, sir.
160. amansingal14 posted on 18 Feb 2013, 04:31 1 0
Same to you sir, with all best regards I can offer...
Have a bright future...
34. Veigald posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:46 5 1
Fanboys, please stop commenting. This isn't about fanboyism, it's about business.
It's extremely easy logic to follow that you don't want to source components from your competitor if you can realistically source it elsewhere. There will never be complete separation from Samsung's component business to their product business, and that is a risk for anyone sourcing components from them. Simple as that.
The question is of course whether Nokia can actually source their components elsewhere or if the risk of Samsung's business separation is really that big.
35. hepresearch (unregistered) posted on 15 Feb 2013, 07:54 6 2
As with all things here, 'understanding' is a three-edged sword. While it may be true that Apple and Nokia have plenty of jealousy to go around, it is certainly also true that some folks at Samsung are whispering trade secrets from one department to the next while management blissfully turns a blind eye. That pile of kimchi has been eaten through from both sides...
Folks at Apple and Nokia will certainly point out that their tech secrets have managed to sneak into Samsung products... and they would be right to an extent, as the vacuum of knowledge in between departments, or the 'firewall', cannot possibly exist in the real world as it stands as true vacuums are impossible to obtain, and nearly just as impossible to merely approach. Samsung fanboys will deride Apple and Nokia for playing foul, and for being jealous... which is also clearly true to an extent, and understandably so for one deposed industry giant and one up-and-comer who fell short of the mark just when they were starting to taste absolute victory. I can assure everyone that there are factors involved that we, as outsiders, have no clue about even the existence of. The truth is a mixture of these things, but it is also somewhere that we don't even know about or comprehend. It doesn't matter what side you are on... there is always 'your side', 'their side', and 'the truth', and it cuts all three ways.