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Nokia starting an ethics report to “understand what happened” with Lumia 920 camera marketing fiasco

0. phoneArena 10 Sep 2012, 09:45 posted on

You can’t have missed it - Nokia unveiled its brand new Windows Phone 8 Lumia smartphones last week amidst high hopes…

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posted on 10 Sep 2012, 10:25 7

19. papss (unregistered)

I am pretty excited for this phone too.. it has to be priced right and i need some reviews before i jump from android

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 10:27 5

22. denied911 (banned) (Posts: 361; Member since: 31 May 2012)

R U ready for some new restrictions?

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 10:31 7

27. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)

r u ready to live without lag, crashing, regular restarting and short battery life?

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 10:55 3

36. redmd (Posts: 1268; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)

short battery life is true to all smartphones except for my Razr Maxx lol we consider WP are smartphones yes? the current crop of Lumia phones don't have a good battery life. kindly check on some test done by reviews.
as I have been saying this again I prefer a little lag than an awful lot of limitations.
lastly I want to ask what you know about Android 4.1 jellybean.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 10:58 2

38. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

can people stop holding adroid jellybean as this almighty OS

why dont you just give wp8 a chance, every OS has to start somewhere what if when android was starting someone decided its not worth it and crushed it out.

give the new OS a chance to expand ,improve and grow.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 11:48

50. Paradox (Posts: 124; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)

Windows phone is kind of like an evolution from windows mobile which is 12 years old.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 11:06 2

41. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

What lag are you seeing on your RAZR? My RAZR with ICS has zero lag.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 11:12 2

42. Alistaire (Posts: 132; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

How long is consider good battery life?
I use my lumia 900 daily from 6am to 5pm before I needs charge. That is I'm online one way or another constantly for 11hrs. I'm quite happy with it.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 11:32 2

45. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)

i would have you know that my 710 has great battery life, it gets me thru the entire day, 3g always on and i am a heavy user and i have to charge it only at night. i know a lot about jelly bean, so much so that i saw a comparison of sgs3 with ics and jb and it was even slower than ics in some cases. and i cant stand that the sgs lags on the homescreen and it has 4 cores! four cores and its incapable of doing basic operatios properly. thats why i dont like android. i have a ics tablet and its constantly crashing and lagging. i cant stand it...

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 11:49

51. Paradox (Posts: 124; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)

Jelly bean for the S3 isn't even a finished product, how is it meant to be smooth when it's not yet optimised?

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 12:10

57. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)

yes it is, have a look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56NjJkI2YxQ&feature =g-all-u
the jb one crashed its homescreen, on a factory reset device? no thanx...

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 12:25

61. Paradox (Posts: 124; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)

It's not the final release. It's a leaked release of the official update. It's not yet released because it's un-optimised...

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 10:29 7

25. Alistaire (Posts: 132; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

I jumped from Iphone 4 to Lumia 900 and love it. I'm using it for business and personal, and now can't wait to upgrade to WP8.

Personally, Android UI is to cluttered for me. It's really just personal preference, they all do the same things andyway.

Go to the store to test out the UI for yourself when it's out.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 10:27 4

21. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)

Nokia camera photo shot in the dark technology is faking too by using flashlight for autofocus and compared with other phones without using flashlight. Bad Nokia and bad WP OS will loss big in market share.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 10:30 5

26. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)

So its nokias fault for being smart and using a phone feature to improve night photos? r u fn kidding me? those photos the 920 took would beat the others even with full flash on coz its a well known fact phone flashes always overbrighten the image. the 920 does it right.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 13:42 1

89. p0rkguy (Posts: 685; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)

Keep trying to justify your purchase. It'll make you feel better about the company.

The feature the 920 used is called HDR. It's been out on other phones.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 17:57 1

96. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)

What purchase?? I feel very good about nokia ince 1998 when i bought my first 5110, since then not one nokia failed me, not one. and the only reason i stopped buying nokias is becouse i never liked symbian, now they are on the right track.
If its been out on other phones why do they all suck at taking videos and night photos?? the 920 looks to change all that, but we cant be sure for certain untill we try it. Looks good for now anyway...

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 10:28 4

23. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)

My trust in nokia was never shaken, all this is is trolling by some samsung or iPhan boys trying to steal nokias thunder. fact is you never watch a commercial to see the specs of a phone, for that i watch countless independent reviews. all commercials are shot proffesionally and this was too. the fact remains that the 920 is going to have the BEST camera on a smartphone to date, no matter what you haters say.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 10:35

30. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)

Oh an you know what they say, bad publicity is better than no publicity :)

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 11:01 3

39. Jonathan41 (Posts: 532; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)

I love Nokia but, bad publicity is worse then none in this scenario because (and I'm not adding that I don't trust Nokia but, this is not the first time something like this has happen) at least people will still trust you with no publicity.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 11:38 1

46. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)

i have to disagree, so many people have now red the articles talking about this and theyve learned that nokia has this pureview tehnology. theyll consider that when buying a phone. and being logical beings theyll base their purchase on independent reviews which will show how good the camera is, not based on some commercial. i think people are smarter than you thik, for example i doubt anyone bought a galaxy s thinkin its an iphone...

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 11:50 1

52. Paradox (Posts: 124; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)

Let's not judge too fast, it might be rubbish. We have only seen the shots from a high end professional camera...

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 12:09

56. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)

take a look at this then, this was shot by a sgs3 and a lumia, what do you think?

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 12:20

58. Paradox (Posts: 124; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)

That video you showed me makes no sense, but I followed a link from that onehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFhhBJ1URCg&feature=r%C2%ADelated%EF%BB%BF and it looks quite impressive. Too bad it's not on android :( I like android because I change the look all the time, for some reason I can't keep the same look for more than a few weeks. When Nokia make a pureview android phone, perhaps I will buy it, but until that day, I'm going to have to give it a miss.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 12:29 1

62. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)

what makes no sense? the left shaky video was taken by a sgs3 at the same time as the right one with the 920, they were phisycallly connected and the right one turned out perfect and still. this shows that the ois technology is indeed a reality and not something made up. this same tech allows for those darkness photos...

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 12:39

63. Paradox (Posts: 124; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)

How am I mean't to know which one's which. OIS wasn't invented by nokia, I know it's not made up. I'm not sure if it improves the low light photos. Also we can't be sure they are physically connected, this is nokia we are talking about... they probably shook the s3 nice and good for extra good measure.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 12:48

71. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)

well take a look at the presentation, at 1:05:00 youll see the rig used to film this. its not 100% proven untill you see this for yourself but I like it...

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 10:32 1

28. cornerofthemoon (Posts: 590; Member since: 20 Apr 2010)

Didn't Nixon do the same thing?

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 10:45 5

32. Snoobab (Posts: 175; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)

Sometimes I'll go to McD's and they hand me a real s**tty looking burger. Nothing like the poster in the window. Why don't they apologize too? It's called marketing. No where did Nokia say "actual footage from Lumia 920", did they?

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 10:54 1

35. Alistaire (Posts: 132; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

yeah... I want the McChicken back to the way it was in 1998. It's shrunken and dry and thin now. Nothing like their ad.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 12:42

67. Paradox (Posts: 124; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)

Nor did it say "Not actual footage" so if Nokia is demonstrating to us the technology, we would automatically presume it is the phone being ued to demonstrate it. An advert in the window of Maccy D's is completely different to showing off the technology in a phone. It's not like McDonald's get a picture of a gourmet meal, and then give you a cheese burger.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 12:00 2

55. tluv00 (Posts: 134; Member since: 18 Oct 2007)

An advertisement that lied? Never!


posted on 10 Sep 2012, 12:44 2

68. erick01 (Posts: 22; Member since: 10 Sep 2012)

Way to go, Nokia!!! This is the right path when something wrong is related to your products. Nokia has a reputation to look after...Got that, Samsung? Nothing yet from You and your SELF-CRACKING S-III......

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 12:45

69. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)

i think it was part of their surprise to put fake pics and videos up because now people are even more eager to see what really is the new tech about to just know the true story.i hape they got it correct in the end when the review comes out cuz now reviewers can change the game for nokia before it releases

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 12:55

74. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)

Expected the least from a company like Nokia. But M$'s involvement in Nokia through their planted "Bot" (read Elop) make it to be most expected. May sound like consipracy theory but Elop is all out to ruin the company so that M$ finally buys it out for peanuts. All this faking was just a part of that Elop strategy. After all M$ wants to have something to show off (and also armtwist on patents) when compared to google's motorola.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 13:06 2

80. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)

You are all after elop for some reason i dont understand. What i ask you is this, what would you have done? Gone the android way? please, htc is in a heap of trouble, it has great hardware but is still just another droid phone maker. Symbian? please, it ruined nokia. MeeGo? in a world of ecosystems it would have done wors than symbian. Elop did the right thing and differentiated nokia from apple, samsung and htc. and diversity is good. history will show if the was right. i hope to god he was...

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 13:17 1

82. erick01 (Posts: 22; Member since: 10 Sep 2012)

On Elop, I still have my reserves....It is on Nokia where I put some of more of the blame for the OS slow growth. Nokia should have been more participative with IDEAS for the ecosystem. There are many good things from Symbian that would have made WP even better.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 13:22

84. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)

It's going from bad to worse. From the day this was decided about nokia "Elop"ing with M$ the nokia forums had enough of an indication where nokia would be heading. RIM also tried to differentiate from everyone. look where they have reached. More and more restricted devices are thrown at customers more they would turn to samsung. Sony/HTC/(Nokia also) et al all have primarily adopted Apple's methodology ... sealed battery no storage expansion etc. Samsung gives everything most of the time.. yes everything that customers want.

I can only wish that nokia bounces back ... but it looks tough because even on WP it's not a monopoly... there will be many players there too.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 19:07

100. Alistaire (Posts: 132; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

Why is it going from bad to worst? The smartphone growth for Nokia in now pretty much exclusively WP. They are gaining sales everyday not loosing.

Why all the doom and gloom from everyone? Short term thinking dose not make any good. Nokia is still the 2nd biggest handset maker in the work. Well, the 2nd "most shipped" in the world.

It is inevitable that WP sales with grow exponentially. With the release of W8, it's a natural progression for W8 users to WP8 users as well.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 19:16

102. Alistaire (Posts: 132; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

typos... but you get the point

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 14:13

90. Paradox (Posts: 124; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)

Idk if you didn't notice but HTC, Samsung, LG all make both windows and android phones. Nokia should do the same. I'm sure plenty of people on android would love to use a Lumia 920 like phone that runs android.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 19:10 1

101. Alistaire (Posts: 132; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

Stick with your android, you are obviously a fan.

It's really just personal preferences. If someone love ios or wp... that's their own personal preferences.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 13:40

88. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)

Hey PA Mods. Reduce the number of rollover ads. They are really sickening and make navigation dificult.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 14:15 3

91. T12RYK (Posts: 98; Member since: 10 Jun 2011)

I'm still getting the Lumia anyway, I had my mind set before they announced it. Hopefully this lowers the price or something good comes out of it for the customers...

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 14:24 1

92. steelicon (Posts: 317; Member since: 02 Apr 2011)

Nokia treats its loyal client fanbase like sh!t. First with underpowered overpriced devices, then the Nokia N97, then Nokia 5800XM, then the Nokia N8. Then not launching and releasing Nokia 808 PureView on time, then this so called camera phone with lesser features than the previous generation. Lies, lies, and more lies.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 17:58

97. aoikemono27 (Posts: 177; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)

Yeah this is just another stupid move by Nokia. How can one fall so much on a straight and well-beaten path? They should have let the matter die down. All this hoopla about an internal investigation will sound like utter BS to anyone who even cared and knew about the fake video and images, making them even more wary of Nokia. Nokia hasn't shown any grace with their belligerent and deceptive marketing in the past, with their "beta-tester" ads showing a pension for bigheadedness and bravado when their Lumia 900/800 were at the back of the line in terms of capability, and the Smoked by WIndows campaign which was just choreographed garbage. Their old Lumias couldn't live up to all their claims or even achieve the same level as other phones, and they knew it, so instead they resorted to cheating their way into the big leagues. The recent botched ads are nothing unexpected in the sort of dirty marketing Nokia utilizes. Why people are even surprised at this point is a wonder.

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 18:50

99. mrllano (Posts: 91; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)

For Nokia, let's just hope that any of these won't happen when they launch their new phones

posted on 10 Sep 2012, 23:24

105. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)

bring it on nokia!! hope to see lumia tablets early 2013!

posted on 11 Sep 2012, 05:20

109. cheeseaddict (Posts: 49; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)

i still have high hopes for nokia, as we all now, even you deny it, all of us had nokia phones before and it didn't missed us to give such a high quality phone even the cheapest ones

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