Nokia has only sold 330,000 Lumia devices in the US
0. phoneArena 13 Jul 2012, 14:29 posted on
Judging by recent Nielsen and comScore numbers, it appears that Nokia has not even hit the half million mark with sales of their US Lumia models, suggesting US sales are not as rosy as have been implied...
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30. akita256 (Posts: 80; Member since: 26 Jan 2012)
You know, looking back a couple of months ago when the reports in the beginning all said that the Lumia phones were selling well ........ stated as "beyond expectations".........I kept thinking to myself that this was a bunch of PR hype and was simply not true based on people I knew (not one of which had purchased a Lumia phone) and trips to the AT&T store to see the traffic buying the phone (non-existent) and asking the store clerks how many Lumias they were selling. I never believed the reports for one minute and felt that when the actual sells figures were released that they would tell a different story. Guess that has now happened. A few (relatively a VERY few) people actually like the tiles, but if the phone isn't selling, why cannot Microsoft see the forest for the trees and realize that the overwhelming majority of people do not like those silly tiles!!! To me.....THAT'S the main reason nobody much is buying the Windows phones...........it's not just the Nokias that aren't selling well.........it's any brand of Windows phones..........nobody wants them!! WAKE UP MICROSOFT......you're going down the same path as RIM and Elop!!! Slap yourself and wake up!!!!
76. -box- (Posts: 3951; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
As a Lumia 900 owner, and also an Android and Symbian owner, I can definitively state that Windows Phone, for me, has been the most satisfying phone purchase I've yet had. The phone is easy to use, all the info I want is on the main screen, the apps are much higher quality than ones I used on Symbian and most on Android, I'm not plagued by ads, and there is an innate cleverness to the OS that those before it have lacked. With that being said, I do not like having directory access to my files. I've been used to file directories my entire experience with computers and phones so far in my life, and it's strange not having it. The Zune desktop software does what I want it to, but I want to be able to manage things from the phone, no computer required. Thus, the UI is excellent, and the UX is better than ios, but arguably lacking compared to Symbian and Android (or MeeGo... What wasted potential!). The phone looks and feels great, doesn't get too hot like my stock Sensation, battery life is trouble-free, and I can use the good camera outside on a sunny day because of the ClearBlack screen tech. I used it on my honeymoon in Hawaii when the DSLR would have been too cumbersome or nerve-wracking to bring along. It does everything as advertised, and is very satisfying for it.
The ownership experience has been great. The phone was free. I got a $100 bill credit for a bug that didn't affect me. I didn't have to make a bill payment for a month and the bill after was less than half the usual amount. I get updates for stuff I don't even realize is wrong. I get a majority of the UI of the next-gen OS (WP8) without needing to overclock or tweak hardware settings. I'm a bit bummed I don't get full WP8, but as future proof as that will be, I'd rather them cut the old OS and let the new potential of the updated one go free, while still offering a lot if the same software enhancements to entrenched users.
Yes, killing off MeeGo and Symbian so harshly was a bit preemptive, and I'm sure Microsoft would have still ponied up cash if Nokia had offered its best hardware and software to that platform, while using Symbian and MeeGo as development and test beds. That said, WP has potential, and while its easy for customers to go with Android (especially with Jelly Bean, what a great evolution of the system!) I think WP will really take the eye of those who want simple, effective, and clever ways of doing stuff without the tinkering, and without the closed cultish realm of apple land.
31. allen83 (Posts: 107; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)
Those numbers aren't too suprising for me in Nokia. The only question I wanted them to answer me is that, There are news over the past months that the Lumia line was in demand in the USA then how come those numbers today are so disappointing in the quarterly report?
Microsoft your such a big jerk! Full of lies and deception!. Sorry for the choice of words and I think they deserved that.
33. jorgefatt (Posts: 1; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
The one issue with wp is that it feels like a feature phone
Lack of mainstream apps and it doesn't bring anything unique
That other Os can't do apple has iTunes integration and great marketing
Android Google apps and easy to root and customized.
77. -box- (Posts: 3951; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Which mainstream apps? Granted, Zynga's lineup is missing for another few weeks, but EA, Gameloft, Glu, Square, Slacker, Pandora, Shazam, etc, are all available on WP, plus all the Nokia goodies like Maps, Drive, Transit, Camera Extras, and others. Plus all the superior titles from Microsoft Studios, which feel like PC quality, not phone quality.
39. MeoCao (unregistered)
Nokia board has sold the company to MS on the cheap. I believe MS has bribed the majority of board members to pick Ellop and WP.
64. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
STFU with that lame conspiracy theory bullcrap! Getting old.
71. jack1059 (Posts: 72; Member since: 31 Mar 2012)
Marketshare of symbian at elops start was respectable worldwide - 38% roughly. Was a money maker for them. Then elop didnt just move away from it. He threw it off a cliff telling everyone that "symbian was dead". Who in their right mind kills their moneymaker and pisses off their customer base?
Nokia had a transition strategy from symbian to meego. Elop killed it. The N9 was only sold in minor markets when released despite good to great reviews. Who in their right mind refuses to make money and recoup development costs of Meego by releasing the N9 only in minor markets?
The WP agreement was exclusive. Elop stated he had no back up plan. He was "betting the company on it". Who in their right mind doesnt have a back up plan?
And yeah Nokia got paid. The exclusivity agreement includes cash payments to nokia to push the wp7 platform. You can read it in Point #3 of the agreement on microsofts website. "In recognition of the unique nature of Nokia’s agreement with Microsoft and the contributions that Nokia is providing, Nokia will receive payments measured in the billions of dollars."
CEO's are judged by 2 things. Share price and marketshare. Under elop share prices are now junk status. Marketshare is now 4% or so from roughly 30%. Worldwide.
Elop is either working for MS, or he's simply the dumbest ceo in history. And Im pretty sure that CEO school teaches you to make money as a basic.
78. -box- (Posts: 3951; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Market share in current sales of new phones, sure, but not overall ownership. Not many people buy new phones every year. They buy a phone and use it until it breaks, wears out, gets lost/stolen, or they get bored or frustrated with it. So say (in theory, not actual figures) 100 million people bought phones in 2011, 20 million were dumbphones, and the rest was divided between the other brands. If 90% of those buyers buy one phone every two years, then next year there would be 90 million new phone sales. Granted, there are buyers this year as well, and they seem to be most impressed with Androids, Samsungs specifically, so most sales are going to them this year. Next year is anyone's game. Might be Nokia, stay Samsung, maybe ZTE, RIM, Motorola, or some company we've not yet heard of. Nokia is very popular still, as is RIM in some circles, it may not yet be their turn for new and repeat sales. Are all the people getting GS3s the same that got GS2s last year? Not so much, as their phones are still satisfactory, but those that had GS1s are ready to get the newest offering. The 4s sold well because many customers with 3G and 3GS models were due for a replacement but may have wanted the newest version of the phone they already had. Many consumers tend to stay with brands that performed well for them in the past, be it for phones, cars, cameras, computers, appliances, clothes, even toiletries. We like consistency for long-term ownership, and will chance purchases if they won't affect us long, like TP or shampoo or a new soda flavor. Once a brand has stronger ownership and dependability cachets it does better. The original iPhone didn't sell strongly because it was unproven against entrenched players like Windows Mobile, Palm, and BlackBerry. Apple may well (hopefully) be the next palm, or Android might be the next RIM. We don't know, but it is sure an exciting ride.
40. MeoCao (unregistered)
I was surprised when I read praises to LM900. This phone is:
- old design (same as N9, LM800)
- low specs
- expensive (only $100 less than One X when released)
So this sales figure is not a surprise.
41. phonton (Posts: 63; Member since: 27 Dec 2011)
Mr.Elop's mission accomplished ... hmmm almost :P
53. aoikemono27 (Posts: 177; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
Haha I think this is karma for all the bullocks and bigheadedness of Elop, the smoked by Windows rigged campaign, and the every other smartphone user is a "beta tester" ad campaign. It's definitely not for lack of trying. There's no less than six Lumia 900 demo units in my one local AT&T store alone, more than any other handset. Of course they killed off Meego, paired the PureView with SYMBIAN, touted a low-specced and two-gen old phone with terrible camera as their savior, and picked a restrictive and extremely limited OS in WP7 that did not allow their phones to stand out in any way from the free bargain bin WP7 phone sitting next to it. I'm sure Windows 8 will do well on laptops/desktops, but I have very little faith on its impact for tablets and phones. It sure didn't look like anything special beyond a more colorful metro UI. If Nokia is betting on WP8 after they've already floundered on WP7, I'd suggest anyone owning Nokia stock to sell it off quickly pronto.
56. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
I'd hazard a guess at these numbers being total BS.
62. chapizzo (Posts: 116; Member since: 13 Sep 2011)
well that's some sad news. Much i hope windows phone 8 is a success, or at least doesn't fail completely, i do hope that it calls out nokia's back up plan, which i heard was android.
63. FoneAddict (Posts: 213; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
Nokia moving over to MS has been a TOTAL DISASTER.
66. jack1059 (Posts: 72; Member since: 31 Mar 2012)
Elop bet the company on it and it got thrown under a bus by Balmer with the no upgrade announcement. Elops either working directly for MS to destroy nokia or he's the dumbest ceo ever. Either way Im surprised he still has a job. Shares are now junk status at $1.80 a share, and market share is down from roughly 35% to what 4% or 7%? All under elops tenure. Its astounding that this idiot still has a job at nokia. I wouldnt hire him to clean the factory floors.
67. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
Using the entire install base to calculate what is essentially 1 quarter's worth of sales seems risky insofar as the sensitivity of the results is very high with respect to the confidence of the Nielsen numbers and the comScore figure. Given the timing of the article, it sounds like someone is playing a short position.
68. vvelez5 (Posts: 623; Member since: 29 Jan 2011)
That's incredibly low. Too bad for Nokia and Windows Phone. They can't keep going with numbers like that. Let's see how Windows Phone 8 turns out but this is definitely not good.
73. sarahenry (Posts: 2; Member since: 14 Jul 2012)
i was thinking of buying Nokia Lumnia phone. But WP operating system has some serious flaws that has put me off.
The biggest one is disconnection of wifi when display is off.
This would mean i miss out of the notification and alerts when screen is off.
To me this sounds like basic stuff and even WP 8 does not seem to fix that.
81. -box- (Posts: 3951; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Mobile data stays on. I haven't noticed a problem so far, and WiFi (or, worse, WiFi on with no signal) can be one heck of a battery hog. Latops turn off connections when off or idle as well
74. stylinred (Posts: 50; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)
Id wait for Nokias actual numbers instead of relying on guesses
82. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
But that would be prudent. It would also suggest you are not pumping news to benefit your trading portfolio. This headline makes a factual statement which seems to be backed up by highly sensitive estimates that could swing the numbers greatly in either direction. Why estimate the performance of a new market entry, with only 1 quarter of sales, by using the entire install base? It's very tricky IMO.
75. mew7946510 (Posts: 55; Member since: 10 Nov 2010)
Nokia just made a wrong decision leaving MeeGo..
90. andyboi_ph (Posts: 101; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)
i agree. In a week from now I will acquire N9, after all there's JOLLA to continue the MEEGO legacy (if the reports are true)
84. steelicon (Posts: 315; Member since: 02 Apr 2011)
Update: Nielsen has contacted us to make it clear they do not support multiplying their numbers with Comscore numbers, saying they measure subtly different elements of the phone market. While the math appear reasonable they therefore do not feel the 300,000 number is accurate.
85. jroc74 (Posts: 5254; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I guess the best thing is to wait til Nokia post financial reports. I wish MS, Nokia good luck in the smartphone market.
I really feel they should both embrace Android tho.
Its also wild how in the mobile market Linux is dominating....but its still lagging behind in the desktop market.
88. Andrewtst (Posts: 428; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Windows Phone is not only dead in USA. it was dead worldwide.
how many percent you seen that use it.
Nokia is near dead previously, now Nokia is step it own to grave.
89. andyboi_ph (Posts: 101; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)
i personally think that there's still hesitation on the end user bec. they're not really familiar with the WP ecosystem that's why it didn't make a blast on sales unlike in IOS and Android which is well received. But over time, lets see how WP8 deliver its full potential.