Nokia has only sold 330,000 Lumia devices in the US
0. phoneArena 13 Jul 2012, 14:29 posted on
Judging by recent Nielsen and comScore numbers, it appears that Nokia has not even hit the half million mark with sales of their US Lumia models, suggesting US sales are not as rosy as have been implied...
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35. Joshing4fun (Posts: 1237; Member since: 13 Aug 2010)
Penny is probably just annoyed by how you always post the same comment whenever windows phone sales is the topic. And its not even your reference; you got it from an article.
37. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Josh, Penny has been a pretty reliable apologist for WP's under-performance. Sauce for the goose apparently isn't sauce for the gander when it comes to calling out WP's sales results.
45. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Further Josh, if you are cyber-tracking me, which article did I get the reference to dogs not liking dog food from? A link would be very helpful.
55. Penny (Posts: 1653; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
Doug, I support WP because I like it, not because I am blind to the facts. I've repeatedly stated throughout my comments on this article that these sales numbers are horrible results and put Microsoft and Nokia's strategies in a more tenuous position. The lack of sales still does not change my opinion of the product itself, because my opinion of the product is based on different factors.
As for being an apologist -- I can pretty confidently say that I have always supported my opinions with logical reasoning. I don't make excuses for companies that I like, nor do you ever see me make claims like "WP8 is going to gain 50% market share in two years!" There are those fans of every company that will make those claims, but I leave it to them to do so.
And I supposed you are correct to call me out for being a little defensive today. But, again, I wasn't being defensive of or ignoring the poor sales results. I was being defensive against the prophetic claims that I knew were going to come from fans of other companies, such as yourself. Hyperbolic claims that Microsoft and WP will come crashing down every time there is a bump in the road.
At the same time that you call me a WP apologist, you don't see me on Android, BB, iOS, or any other articles talking about anything but my objective opinion of the situation -- which more often than not is positive. I was just hoping that more people here had the same intentions.
Unfortunately, my hope for that kind of meaningful conversation on these types of forums has dwindled. There are only a handful of individuals on these PA forums that I consider to be legitimately objective. While I appreciate the fact that you are thoughtful in your comments, I don't think you usually display much of an ability to set your personal agendas aside when engaging in these discussions. I am not trying to knock you for this; it is human nature, and you are still better than most of the fans I see. But the point is, if you are wondering why I am so defensive today -- the answer is that I am simply losing interest in putting in more effort with most users here.
58. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Penny, I appreciate you taking the time to compose your response. You put time into a thoughtful and respectful response and I appreciate your effort. The challenge in commenting on articles and posts made regarding articles is to provide insight and appreciation into the issue(s) raised by the article. Some times I am able to provide food for though; other times I don't succeed.
My response was not intended to be a challenge or an attack. If it appeared to be such to you, please accept my sincere apologies, as it was not meant to be. Yes, many of my responses can be presumed to be biased, but then my identity (Droid_X_Doug) should indicate that. :-)
59. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
This is a fair statement to make. We all have our bad days on here. Some days it seems that nothing but s**tty news comes in for Android, some days things are awesome for Android but not for iOS. Some days there's some good news for WP, and Blackberry is just perenially s**tty.
I personally would like to give WP more of a chance to grow on me, but Microsoft's arrogance and its insistence on attacking Android for things like slow updates and malware have kind of turned me off to it.
That, and if I went to Windows Phone I couldn't dream of punching Ballmer in the f**king face anymore. :D
70. Penny (Posts: 1653; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
There is no need to apologize. You are free to express your opinions on these boards and I did not take anything you said personally. I also did not mean to direct my statements directly at you, but rather was referring to my frustration with the way fans of any company don't seem to put forth an effort to be objective on these forums in general.
That is fair enough as well. Although I believe Microsoft attacking Android to increase the value of its own product is just a marketing strategy, it can be a polarizing one that pushes people away. And I guess there's no substitute for wanting to punch Ballmer in the face, lol.
3. kunyuk (Posts: 56; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
Great job Elop!!! Great job!!!!
Fire that fag CEO
8. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)
I don't think it matters if it was Elop or not, Nokia was going to go down the tubes because of a refusal to adapt to the current market. If not Elop, they would look for a CEO with a stubborn refusal to change and agrees with their viewpoints. They could of gotten a CEO that would of stuck with Symbian and would still be in the same boat they're in now.
Same thing with RIM, a refusal to adapt. Not to sound like a fanboy, but if they had adopted Android, they'd be rolling in cash like Samsung, Motorola and HTC.
69. jack1059 (Posts: 72; Member since: 31 Mar 2012)
Couldnt let this go without comment. Nokia had a transition strategy to move its app development to QT under symbian. Then transition their developers and users to Meego while slowly moving away from symbian. Elop came along, threw symbian off a cliff, canned the Meego / QT strategy and refused to sell the N9 in anything but minor markets. That despite good reviews for the phone / OS. Who in their right mind refuses to make money and recoup development costs? Then signed an exclusivity agreement with MS and said he had no back up plan. Seriously? What ceo has no back up plan? Marketshare at the start of elops tenure - 30%. Now its what 4%. Current share price - $1.80 and ranked as junk. All in the space of a year and a half So yes nokia's current predicament is directly attributed to elop.
4. marcus_lhz (Posts: 2; Member since: 26 Jun 2012)
and with the notice that will be no upgrade for wp8....the grave is ready...
5. Angkor (Posts: 108; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Nokia is down with Windows Phone switch to Android now or will gone next year.
6. torr310 (Posts: 864; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
Nokia is too conservative to fire their CEO.
48. steelicon (Posts: 318; Member since: 02 Apr 2011)
They have "fired" OPK before, a FInnish Nokia CEO. They have done it once, they can do it again.
7. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)
I would have bought a N8 with Symbian or an N9 with Meego over any Lumia phones.. heard that Nokia..
32. wendygarett (unregistered)
You love meego linux based. Then why you hate android? Lol
11. ppLVR (Posts: 12; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
These Number a obviously flawed -_- .Anybody with common sense can know those numbers are impossible.
13. ppLVR (Posts: 12; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
3,300,000 would sound like a more believable figure (3.3million)
51. jroc74 (Posts: 6014; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
The rise of the iPhone and Android, the fall of RIM and Win Mo should tell anyone with common sense that.
14. bbblader (Posts: 590; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
main os : android
2nd os : meego (if it gets better than android which is possible it will be 1st)
3rd test os : symbian (for new technology like the PureView)
15. ryq24 (Posts: 731; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
when nokia announce its shifting to windows, their sales plunged as everyone knows there will no longer b support for symbian. now they said their windows phone will not be upgraded to wp8 and again their sales disappoint. nokia dug themselves a big hole!
20. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
I don't know if I should believe those numbers or not, with the marketing Nokia has done and also the high satisfaction rating. Like someone else said earlier, its utterly impossible!
21. joex2 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)
"only sold 330,000 Lumia devices in the US" Lumia is only available on AT&T.
52. jroc74 (Posts: 6014; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Dont know why the thumbs down....this is right...lol. Its even in the article....
27. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Now I'm starting to believe in those numbers. Exclusive to ATT didn't work. Poorly excuted distribution.
25. Jonathan41 (Posts: 532; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)
Personally my favorite manufacture is HTC and my favorite OS is easily Android but, I love Nokia and WP is a wonderful OS. It's visually pleasing, light on the phones memory and simple to use with a touch of customization. I believe that if Nokia/Windows simply made more powerful devices then they would attract more customers. I mean even on this site we're constantly arguing about which phone is more powerful. So it obviously matters to a majority of smartphone costumers that their phone have the best specs. on the market. The Lumia 900 is great and all but, the market standard for high-end smartphones is the iPhone and, there's no doubting that because it's the first thing we compare all smartphones to. In the case of the Lumia 900 is just doesn't stack up in the power department which is very important to a lot of customers. Also, the Windows apps store is already missing tons of popular apps that customers want but, the problem is made even worse by the fact the the WP flagship device is not even capable of running larger apps like Gameloft and Madfinger games which are very important to a reasonable big part of the smartphone community. This is especially important because, Microsoft has been known to use their Xbox Live service to try and attract customers and get them excited about the Lumia 900 but, so far there isen't much to get excited about. I've heard that Gameloft will be making some games for Windows Phone phone but, they will probably lack in comparison to what the games play like on Android and iOS. Personally, I don't think I would seriously consider buying a Nokia/WP until they step up the spec. sheet and I don't think I'm alone.
28. Pdubb (Posts: 248; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)
Meanwhile it is projected that Nokia has sold 3.8 million devices worldwide. According to another PA article.
I guess I will wait until the reports come out next week and maybe they will say for sure. It just seems strange that it was at the top of the list at tmo and amazon and for a while at&t but it was not selling well. Strange that other phones were selling below it but it only sold several hundred thousand.