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Nokia goes deep in the red in the second quarter, smartphone sales collapse to 16.7 million

0. phoneArena 21 Jul 2011, 05:54 posted on

Nokia, the company which shaped the smartphone market back in 1996, swings deep in the red in the second quarter after smartphone sales collapsed to 16.7 million units with operating loss amounting to nearly $692 million…

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posted on 21 Jul 2011, 18:43 2

59. AndroidtopsApple (Posts: 7; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


hmm.. If IPhone 4 users think they have a 4g phone just because of the name, then clearly that means they dont buy an IPhone because of its technologies.. its because "their friends" have it.. and think that "it's cool" to have one.. When I ask friends and random users why they bought an IPhone.. Majority of them say: Because everybody has one. But When you ask an Android user, its because they want to program apps or use it in everyday Productivity. Not just to play music and have Itunes

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 22:08

67. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


Droid 3 is not a 4g phone, and the loaded the webpage faster too? so what is your point?

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 20:11

61. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@superfandroidevo. And now comes the excuses because I proved you wrong :) It still doesn't change the fact that you said that Nokia didn't resort to having Apple banned, when they did :) Gotcha :) Just admit it. You think it's ok when the others want to ban Apple, but it's not when Apple requests to ban the others, right? Come on....just admit it mr fandroid, hahahaha. I love proving you wrong all the time. You're probably turning red :)

Fandroids are sooooo ignorant :)

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 20:14

62. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@superfandroidevo. But it's true. Check out the latest smartphone comparison here on PA. The iphone works just as fast as the droid3. The droid3 is only a tad faster, and the iphone is still the more smoother and more responsive device :)

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 20:16

63. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@androidtopsapple. And who has the most quality apps again? It's the iphone. And which platform developers favor again? It's iOS. So you are definitely wrong in saying that iOS devices are only good in playing music. Another ignorant fandroid :)

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 20:19

64. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@androidtopsapple. Why do you ask? Would you switch to iOS if I give you a good answer? Probably not. So shut up :)

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 20:27

65. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@superfandroidevo. Is that why the iphone sells more and more every quarter? Only an ignorant fandroid will say that there's no changes between iOS back in 2007 and iOS5. What a waste of space you are, lol. Cloud services have been out for eternity? Like when? Which cloud service where you using since eternity? Lol. Everything in android is stolen from Apple. Yes, even their notification tray. Onoy reason why android phones were able to use it first is because it's half baked. And now look at iOS5's notification tray. Now that's a fully baked one :)

The iphone and the ipad sold the most units. So it is still the best devices. The iphone and the ipad still set the standards. They are copied by everyone. And that's the only reason why android devices are selling, because they're iDevices' knock offs :)

Who's the bestselling company again in Q2 of 2011? Oh yes, it's Apple :)

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 06:24 3

3. Laurynas (unregistered)


I think that now only Microsoft with their money can bring back NOKIA to the stage.

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 07:55

11. iankellogg (Posts: 155; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


I do have hope for nokia with WM7 but I still think it would be nice to see Nokia put their eggs in more baskets. WebOS is going to be licensed soon and android is free*

* not actually free thanks to garbage software patents

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 08:49 1

16. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


Who in the hell would want to bring Nokia back? Perhaps if they would've made better products to be competitive, they wouldn't be in this predicament.

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 09:02 1

19. Laurynas (unregistered)


@The_Miz
"Who in the hell would want to bring Nokia back?"

For example a big company with huge budget which has a lot of fresh ideas. Company with huge budget can buy NOKIA with all NOKIA's patents and realise their ideas through it.

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 13:09

42. hepresearch (unregistered)


I want Nokia back... but it won't happen just because I want that. I'm moving on anyway...

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 18:22

56. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


Nokia is worthless, no one cares about them anymore.

posted on 22 Jul 2011, 05:56

72. Laurynas (unregistered)


NOKIA'a patents worthless?

Don't be short minded and think before something saying!

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 06:25 2

4. aries.phills (Posts: 140; Member since: 17 May 2011)


Sorry NOKIA.
You shall rise again!!!

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 06:45 4

6. PhoneLuver (Posts: 481; Member since: 05 Jul 2010)


Time to buy some shares if you ask me!

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 07:07

7. shy2papa (Posts: 331; Member since: 23 Jan 2010)


That's what happens when you let stupid exec run the company for profit instead of innovations, Former MS employee and now nokia CEO steven elop is not to bright.

Nokia in addition to windows phone 7 should have also adopted Google's Android OS and give people the choice of both OS, samsung and HTC are doing that right now and both companies are doing very good.

So sad a company with so much potential is being dragged down to the gutter :(

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 09:24

21. dallas90733 (Posts: 36; Member since: 06 Mar 2011)


100% agree!!

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 09:43

26. snowgator (Posts: 3604; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


There is no reason why Nokia can't get more OS's into it's fold and maybe even keep Symbian as a supported line in the very near future. In the Mobile industry, there is no such thing as putting "all your eggs in one basket". They can adopt Android or even WeBOS (I wish) at any time in the future if W7 isn't all they hoped for. But it would be more of a mistake to invest halfway in this line of devices and seem unsure. Right now, they need to go all in on W7. Do not forget, this is the first time Nokia will be using an OS they have not developed, and it is on a HUGE scale. Let them grow into this.

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 07:08 1

8. Hashim (unregistered)


I think that Nokia's CEO made a big mistake when he declared that Nokia is moving away from Symbian and Meego without having windows as an alternative, functioning, and customer tested OS for Nokia. Nokia CEO's "pre-mature" declarations are costing him and Nokia dearly. The comeback and establishing confidence in Nokia's smart phones is becoming more difficult as Elop continues to blabber here and there driving Nokia customers to abandon Nokia for other competitors.

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 09:36

24. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)


Burning platform.. its going to get darker before the dawn.

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 07:16

9. momo2 (unregistered)


Yes, poor Nokia. The N9 will be their savior! ...erm, maybe not

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 07:18

10. momo2 (unregistered)


No, I forgot...Windows Phone will be their savior! ...uhh, maybe not

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 08:01 2

12. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Maybe RIM can merge with Nokia? Then the 3 bozos would all be in the same company....

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 08:04

13. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Wasn't WP7 going to be Nokia's savior? At the rate sales are cratering, MS is going to have to buy Nokia for there to even be a company to sell WP7 handsets.

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 08:32

14. kamen (Posts: 96; Member since: 18 Jul 2011)


I also feel pity for Nokia but it's really their fault.

They have always been slow on the innovation side but there were times when there was no real competition. They missed the point with Symbian being snail-slow to rewrite it. The fall was easily foreseen though - double clicks in a touch based UI and releasing touch screens when touch was already a hit obviously nailed them.

Microsoft can really help them - it was WP7 that rised from the ashes.

If only had Nokia stuck to Xenon and released single touch in time, things would have been different. For example, the uber-cool Desire HD still does not have alarms sound when the phone is off - something that my 3 years old Nokia N82 can do.

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 08:54 1

17. cornerofthemoon (Posts: 600; Member since: 20 Apr 2010)


Unfortunately Nokia's "savior" WP7 isn't doing so hot either. They should add webOS and Android to the mix.

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 09:35 4

22. snowgator (Posts: 3604; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Nokia did not make this move to W7 for the short term. As they brought in Elop as a CEO, there is no way he was not up front with his evaluation of the company and his vision for it. It was simple: turn Symbian around to a profit producing OS quickly, or walk away from it. They hired this guy from Microsoft. Of course they knew where he stood. (Although Nokia did approach Google and RIM about their OS as well. We do forget that part.)

Nokia would have known that most of 2011 would be painful, and would have their sales slashed and profits hit. This is not a company new to the industry. In return for a crap 2011, they get an OS they do not have to invest money into to develop, maintain, or update. They get a partner dying for platform to compete against the big boys in Android and iOS (Until their sales drop below 20% internationally, I still count RIM. I understand if no one else does.) In short, they can become MORE profitable with LESS handset sales simply due to not having the huge ecosystem anymore.

I feel horrible for Nokia employees and Symbian/Meego developers that are losing their jobs over this. And I feel for Symbian loyalist and Meego enthusiasts, especially after the well received N9, for the loss of choice. But, Nokia was bleeding profits as I have said in other posts about this. They bite the bullet now so as not to eat a shotgun later.

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 12:50

37. hepresearch (unregistered)


Hope you are right... but I don't have a whole lot of hope left right now.

posted on 21 Jul 2011, 09:36

23. CLINTONW25 (Posts: 38; Member since: 14 Jun 2011)


POOR NOKIA...SMGDH

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