Nokia gives warning to ASUS and Google that the Nexus 7 infringes on wireless patents
0. phoneArena 02 Jul 2012, 18:28 posted on
According to the Inquirer, Nokia has warned both Google and ASUS that the newly introduced Nexus 7 infringes on patents related to standard IEEE WiFi 802.11.; Nokia collects royalties from 40 companies to use the patent...
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1. Icestalker (Posts: 8; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
Why can't all tech companies work like this?
6. rnk.khch (Posts: 86; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
Because they are not Nokia!!! They only think about filling their pockets with cash!!!
10. Ravail (Posts: 182; Member since: 14 Oct 2011)
Umm im sorry, however, i must say.. Isnt the point of a "Business" to make as much cash as possible?
25. rnk.khch (Posts: 86; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
Yes, but I believe in ethical and respectful business. And I can't stand that these companies blatantly ignore the patent laws and just do whatever they like.
32. ChiX017 (Posts: 308; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
theirs a difference when it gets personal and greed sets in
49. daniel_bargs (Posts: 325; Member since: 27 Nov 2010)
because they are Nokia.
if this is Apple, you will be sued right away.
if this is Nokia, they will warn u first then if you dont talk with them... they'll take action.
i prefer Nokia's move. its like child and parent relationship... when your child breaks a vase, you should not slap them right away... you should tell them to be careful next time
15. Astreo (Posts: 101; Member since: 05 May 2011)
Uhh...what do you think Nokia is doing ? filling their pockets with cash from all those payments lol.
27. rnk.khch (Posts: 86; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
Yes, but that's because they hold those patents. Similarly, they pay for patents that belong to other companies. They have always been honest and straightforward with the laws. It's not Nokia culture to cheat!
13. Otterbox (banned) (Posts: 71; Member since: 27 Jun 2012)
Because the Nexus 7 isn't released. Samsung released numerous devices that violated numerous patents though they never paid royalties for them.
21. frydaexiii (Posts: 1413; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
You're really giving my favourite phone accessory provider a really bad name...
23. Otterbox (banned) (Posts: 71; Member since: 27 Jun 2012)
Samsung gave themselves a bad name. I'm assuming you are referring to Samsung, right?
28. frydaexiii (Posts: 1413; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
I'm starting to think there's something wrong with the phone functions of the iPhone. I think it's emitting some radiation and frequency that screws up the brain. Almost all the Apple supporters here are either delusional or just dumb trolls, there's only like what? 2 Apple fans who aren't brainwashed and are willing to participate in an active discussion instead of making it an argument by sprouting nonsense and false crap. Too bad they aren't that active, I suppose because they actually have a life.
39. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Absolutely. I am even an Android fan who uses an iPhone (unlikely to change soon as eco situation got worse).
42. SherlockHolmes (Posts: 125; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
See Nokia is really Smart here !!
Nokia will have to waste money on filling and fighting the injunction against Google and Asus and in-turn if they won they can just ban the Tablet !! And this ban on Nexus tablet wont help Nokia even to a small extent as they do not make Tablets !!
So Nokia asked to make a deal so that they can get Royalty from Google and Asus and fill their pockets !!
3. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
So, past Android phones did not infringe on patents? Or is it, because of their popularity that companies are deciding that the time to sue is now?
At least Nokia wants to make a deal and not just ruin a company or companies.
Man, I wish Nokia would become an ANDROID OEM - imagine the phone that would be created out of that marriage of technology.
11. skymitch89 (Posts: 1214; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)
The article mentions that "Nokia says that 40 companies pay them for a license to use the technology", so I would assume that device manufacturers such as Samsung, HTC, and Motorola are included in that license, and would therefore not need through Google.
20. Astreo (Posts: 101; Member since: 05 May 2011)
Maybe but remember that Google decided to keep their mobility sector away from their OS if i remember correctly.
4. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
is just a nice way to ask to pay up.. and they better be generous or they will take them to court..
41. bayusuputra (Posts: 961; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
at least they are nice to ask them to pay up first, and not taking them straight to Lucy Koh..
5. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 7043; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
I knew this was coming didn't think NOKIA would start a LAW SUIT. Isn't WIFI on all devicoes like routers laptops hand held game device this is pointless THEY all have wifi built in. this is getting nonsense. Wifi was longer way before Nokia started making phones. plus they don't even have a tablet. just plan stupid. oh yeah and PhoneArena post SOME good NEWS for once stop posting so many negative articles
7. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3075; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
PhoneArena should make an additional website dedicated to patent and lawsuit related articles and no I'm not kidding.
8. hepresearch (unregistered)
I was a Nokia fan for a long time... may I be the first to say that I am ashamed to see them joining forces with Oracle, Apple, and Microsoft to go after Google and Asus for pointless things that everyone already has/does without having to deal with stuff like this. I knew there was a good reason that I didn't buy any new Nokia phones after 2010... other than my unemployment/illness/bankruptcy in 2011-2012. It sickens me to see this.
36. smartphone (Posts: 160; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
This is not a pointless patent. Apple paid 600m $ for infringing them its not like they are going after silly innovations like slide to unlock.
Patent licensing is a legitimate business.
44. bayusuputra (Posts: 961; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
I would say that Nokia should go ahead with this patent.. as much as i hate patent litigations, but if the patents are real and not some vague, generalised ideas that have been around since rock age, then go ahead.. I mean, many OEMs have paid for the licence, why not Google and Asus? Just pay up, and all will be settled..
61. hepresearch (unregistered)
Fair enough. However, I just worry that in this day and age, for someone to start going this way can easily lead them to becoming sue-crazy like Apple...
63. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Sad to hear that..... why? What happened?
68. hepresearch (unregistered)
Well, its complicated... really a whole life-time in the making, thus far. It just mostly all culminated in the last year or two.
Well, since you asked, I'll try to keep this short(er)...
Always had mental illnesses and disabilities since I was a child... I managed to go into regular school classes with most children my age, though, thanks to my parents really fighting for me and insisting that I was worthy of regular classes. Anyway, that helped me to get into college. A very decent one, in fact, where I could get a degree in my passions, physics and math. I got into fundamental particle physics, got to do a lot of research with the department and faculty, but eventually I ran out of money, and my health got a lot worse. I ended up having to leave before I could finish a degree.
A few months later, I met a lady who I fell in love with. After a year of dating, we got engaged and married a few months after that. This is where things took a serious wrong turn... for lack of a better term, my wife turned out to be a total harpee. After enduring physical and emotional abuse, her dreadful spending and debt acrual habits, and her adulterous activities, for three years, I could not safely live with her any more. I got a divorce, and in order to avoid her putting a two-year hold on the process, I agreed to accept most of the debt and abandon most of my possessions... so I was free of her in 7 months instead. I still had my last job at that point, but a year and a half later I was cut loose without any unemployment benefits (they claimed safety violations... thus, termination with cause, and ineligible for unemployment benefits). I searched for a new job for six months, unsucessfully, and then became very ill.
Turned out to be bone cancer, making me the fifth family member to get any form of cancer in that year (no history of cancer in our family ever before that). I fought it, and with the help of chemotherapy and radiation treatments, I survived my way into remission... I was one of four cancer survivors in our family that year, although two of us didn't make it.
Around this same time, I finally neared the completion of the process to file for bankruptcy (result of the marriage and divorce), and once my cancer treatments were over, and I could think clearly again, I finished that process. In May this year I received my Chapter 7 discharge, a clean bill of health (cancer-remission and unrestricted work-approval), and began officially looking for work again. I have been unemployed for 18 months now, without any benefits aside from Medicaid, and it is very difficult to find a job around here these days, especially with medical benefits which I really really need.
All I can say is... thank goodness my parents still tolerate having me around after all this time being back at home...
9. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Interesting. They are actually being reasonable... that's awesome haha
12. skymitch89 (Posts: 1214; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)
I kind of think that more companies, aka Apple, would take note from Nokia and give notification first about patent infringements before suing. I don't understand how Asus is infringing on the patents relating to standard IEEE WiFi 802.11 when they make laptops and other tablets that use IEEE WiFi 802.11.
14. johnbftl (Posts: 266; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)
Why do this now? Asus has released multiple tablets already. I don't recall Nokia crying about patents with the Transformer or Transformer Prime. Of all things for WiFi. I'm pretty sure by now that should fall under FRAND. Are they just now reacting to the rotten Apple and the little green robot burying their OS? Blame the American consumer for your failure.
18. microsoftnokiawin (Posts: 1154; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
this is about a specific kind of wifi
45. bayusuputra (Posts: 961; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
maybe this is specific to Google, as Asus is only the chosen OEM for the Nexus.. So it is directed at Google, who has not paid for the licence, but in the process Asus also gets involved since they know that Google should pay for the licence but didn't pay instead..
16. Quezdagreat (Posts: 428; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
We all know they won't sue google, because in the future they want to make a android phone.
17. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Apple did the same thing. They went to Samung first before suing. Not sure how the author doesn't know that.
24. frydaexiii (Posts: 1413; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
WTF where the hell did you pull that this time? Apple just went straight to trying to ban it. Anyway if they did, Samsung wouldn't pay up because they didn't infringe anything, Apple is just trying to juice money out of Samsung just because they're luring customers away.
29. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5688; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
if Apple was going to be cooperative why do you think their recent talks with Samsung fell through the roof? :P
51. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Talks failed because Samsung knows it can't compete without copying Apple.
52. matrix_neo (Posts: 329; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
Your such an idiot sheep!!! Do you think only apple can make innovation?! You always generalized samsung a copyist. Why your apple products are not free of copying and worst is stealing ideas. I'm sure you'll ask for proof, my answer is same with your answer, google it!!! Apple is afraid of competition not samsung, if samsung can compete why they enter mibile business?! Apple only started 5 years ago, that time samsung already selling phones. Stop writing nonsense comments, you have no other reason to defend your godly apple other than copying. Go back to farm, you need more grass to eat so that your brain can think rightly and with sense.
64. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
That was really funny
Go back to urge farm....
53. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5688; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
yeah, i'm sure that's why Apple is trying to get a ban on the Galaxy Nexus using a silly search patent. that really shows the world how much Samsung is really copying Apple.
59. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
nah, samsung just doesnt have the army of mindless morons that will champion everything they do good or bad.
62. hepresearch (unregistered)
taco... you keep calling it a "copy" when you keep defining it as nothing like a copy. A "copy" is an identical reproduction of the original with identical quality, which you claim that Samsung cannot make because theirs is so horrible. A "counterfeit", on the other hand, is simply made to look like the original, but is generally not nearly as good or reliable. If you would stop calling it a "copy", and start calling it a "counterfeit" instead, which is actually more consistent with your alleged portrayal, then at least you would stop grating on my nerves so much, and although you would still be disagreed with by many here, at least you could be better equipped to actually make your own case a little more sensibly. The other thing is that you would be better served by asking for criminal legal action over the "counterfeiting", rather than money suits over "copying", which you and gallito say are worthless to Apple because they already have soooooo much money...
You can't say I never tried to help you out here...
22. RapidCat (Posts: 351; Member since: 12 Jun 2012)
This what i like, Talk first, not Sue first
48. bayusuputra (Posts: 961; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
don't you know that if you sue first you will get sued by Apple? they did patent the heck out of "Suing first before peaceful negotiation"..
30. darkvadervip (Posts: 365; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
Some of you all are idiots. Nokia had these patents for years and companies did fair payments. Asus got the rush job for the nexus tablet and plainly forgot to cross there "T"s and dot there "I"s. They wil pay but the truth of the matter if you do your homework is that Samsung got the job originally but Google got scared and went a different way with it since apple has no beef with Asus. If I were any company I would wake up and notice Google only plays with the winning team until they max them out on profit.
31. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5688; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
so what's your point? that everything revolves around Apple?
40. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
at least the cellphone worlds does.. look at al the haters always on apple articles. 2 on Android...
54. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5688; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
yeah, it probably does on tech blogs but i wouldn't say that Google couldn't tie their shoes without wondering what Apple would do.
33. rpankaj (Posts: 29; Member since: 21 Jun 2012)
An Android from Nokia will surely take them back in business... They r not restricted to windows anyways.. Its Elop, who won't allow
38. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5688; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
nah, Nokia would've been crushed by the weight of the other OEMs. with WP they can find a nice comfort zone to recover from the last few years in.
50. bayusuputra (Posts: 961; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
who knows maybe after the recovery period? both WP and Android?
55. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5688; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
maybe but i doubt it. they belong to Microsoft now...
34. rpankaj (Posts: 29; Member since: 21 Jun 2012)
An Android from Nokia will surely take them back in business... They r not restricted to windows anyways.. Its Elop, who won't allow