Nokia "floating lens" technology is behind the Lumia 920 PureView camera magic
0. phoneArena 05 Sep 2012, 09:47 posted on
The Nokia Lumia 920 is here and it features the much anticipated PureView imaging technology, but if you hoped for lots of megapixels and oversampling, you…
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1. akita256 (Posts: 80; Member since: 26 Jan 2012)
I've been sitting here during the presentation watching Nokia's stock price fall like a rock. Apparently investors are not impressed with the new phone so far.
10. MeoCao (unregistered)
The specs are same as old Androids, but I guess the price will be much higher.
And the most important features of PureView are missing. Boy this does not sound good.
12. Veigald (Posts: 290; Member since: 13 Jan 2012)
Most important features of PureView missing? What have you been smoking? The only thing "missing" is a double digit mp count.
If you saw the comparisons of images they showed, that was one incredibly impressive camera.
15. MeoCao (unregistered)
The most important features of PureView is taking pictures of distant objects and small objects.
Thre may be some improvement of the camera compared with other top phones but that's not PureView.
This is cheating, again.
16. Veigald (Posts: 290; Member since: 13 Jan 2012)
It's not the 808 camera and no one ever said it would be. What they showed however looked stunning and massively better than any phone I've seen (apart from the 808, obv).
I'd wait with judging it until I see the first hands-on's though.
21. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
exactly this is Pureview Phase 2, and im sure it'll beat all phones it is competing with in the camera department. the nokia 808 shows whats possible when you dont have to think about size. ofcourse if they had fitted the lumia 920 with the 41mp sensor it would have had to be bulky and people would complain its too big and just wouldnt sell
the 808 is a niche phone for select few. The lumia 920 will be sold to the mass's so needs to be stylish
23. saiki4116 (Posts: 379; Member since: 31 Mar 2011)
When HTC launched ONE series,they too boasted about the camera module..it's real world performence that matters,let's wait and see how it stack's up with the competetion...because by the time 920 comes to the market...others companies wont sit idle.,,but to me it just appears a sort of gimmick till now...well that's my opinion...
2. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
First time I saw this commercial it was already clear for me that it will be something with image stabilization.
7. blinkdagger (Posts: 81; Member since: 04 May 2012)
that green d**k is distracting. for me at least.
8. Ohrules (Posts: 327; Member since: 11 Jun 2012)
That is a worm eating into the apple. Don't worry I made the same mistake
13. Veigald (Posts: 290; Member since: 13 Jan 2012)
Isn't it the android standing behind the apple then?
3. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
Pricing is the factor between the Ativ S and this.
4. jasongohjr (Posts: 75; Member since: 26 Sep 2011)
The video alone is impressive. But I Was hoping more from nokia...
5. omacmagics (Posts: 42; Member since: 27 Dec 2011)
I want to zoom in distant objects n d image stays clean like pure view. Don't give me crap about more light n "floating lens" bla bla. I would like to own another smartphone I already have an android. Windows phone could be an option but give me an awesome camera like the pure view 808 and I'll buy a Nokia windows phone. Not excited about MS OS, so d camera has to pull me in.
9. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3605; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Darn! I am so disappointed in you Nokia!!!
Such a huge even and all you can come up with is 'floating lens' tech? Hm...i'll wait the results though. Still then, i am disappointed!
18. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
people are never satisfied ant pureview launch everyone said it cannot compete DSLR :\ wtf too that then also said its way to big :\ now if it cant be shrink in 4 months people want it back in the phone :\ PV is a future Tech untill it is shrink down to average size + WP starts to accept it we should not worry about it too much its a smartphone not a cameraphone like N8 or 808
19. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3605; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Ok. I got to agree on that...
But i'm still a l'le disappointing because i've been supporting Nokia so much. And no 3.5 mm jack? Are you kidding? Don't know about 920 but 820 doesn't seem to be having that...what do i do if i want to plug a better headphone instead of the one they supplied?
11. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Well, guess Nokia still hasn't gotten around the OS restrictions for camera modules. I was hoping they'd at least have a 16MP (yes, I know MP count isn't everything) to compare with the Titan 2, but ah well. Still very exciting. Disaapointed that they don't have another cyan model.
Also noticed a very obvious lack of info about what carriers these will be on....
14. Veigald (Posts: 290; Member since: 13 Jan 2012)
Did anyone not see the Galaxy S3 versus the Lumia 920 comparison they showed? It was like watching a 1983 disposable camera versus a DSLR. If the camera on the 920 is as good as those marketing shots, this camera is gonna kick the living s**t out of basically any phone besides the 808.
17. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
i dont understand when PV was anounced all people were like the back is too big , it looks ugly, who wants that big fat camera . now they made this new tech and again same old story i think no one can be happy at all in this era. they just dont even know wht they want. all the people have in brain is specs specs specs nothing more
20. nadun_SL (Posts: 3; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)
well they failed to pack a high res cam into a thinner body.
22. lumialove (Posts: 75; Member since: 16 May 2012)
the F/2.0 aperture is the lowest found any smartphone. Think of aperture as how “open” a lens can get—the more open, the more light comes in. That’s crucial as light is what camera’s crave and is the key to getting a good image. You want to buy an expensive lens for your DSLR? Search for one with an F/1.4 aperture—basically the lower the number, the better. Reaching F/2.0 on a camera-phone is a pretty big deal, make no mistake about it. It will also greatly help to make your photos better as the shutter speed can go faster.
back-side illuminated sensors (BSI) —it’s what is found on the iPhone, Titan II and many Samsung phones. It puts the wires behind the sensor, allowing more light to be received and once again, making brighter photos. We’ve wanted Nokia to do this for a very long time and now they have.
The Lumia 900, Lumia 920 and 808 PureView
Sensor size is also crucial. Here, the bigger the better and the fact is, most smartphones have tiny sensors. Why do some “pro” DSLRs cost so much? It’s because they have a giant sensor (it’s also why they’re so big). The Lumia 920 sports a 1/1.4” sensor that beats many phones who roll with a smaller 1/2.5”. That brings us to megapixels…
Photographers hate megapixel discussions because it’s all consumers focus on, instead of all of the above. It’s often the least important aspect as those pixels won’t improve your photo much. It’s good for cropping, yes, but other than that?
Nokia said they could have added more than the 8MP to that 1/1.4” sensor, as some of their competitors have on their devices. But as we mentioned last night, jamming more megapixels on a sensor can have negative consequences, like reduce image quality. The more pixels on a sensor, the more light you need to illuminate them all. In turn, cameras with high megapixel count tend to have worse low-light performance. That’s right folks, putting 16MP or 32MP into a camera can be a bad thing, especially if it’s on a small sensor.
No, Nokia took the good route here—the one that photographers would have preferred: larger, BSI sensor with less megapixels so there is less noise in low light conditions.
Throw in their whole “Floating lens”, which is a mechanical form of image stabilization (aka better than software based) and we’re talking a whole new category of a camera phone. I'VE seen some of the images and so far, I really like what we see. Expect more in the future