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Nokia complaint against HTC could lead to a exclusion order in the U.S. against the HTC One

0. phoneArena 21 Jun 2013, 15:43 posted on

Nokia has filed a complaint against rival HTC with the ITC which could result in a sales ban against two popular models produced by the Taiwan based manufacturer; the Verizon exclusive HTC DROID DNA and the HTC One could both face ITC exclusion orders in the country if the commission finds that Nokia patents have been infringed on...

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posted on 21 Jun 2013, 15:44 10

1. natesvlogs (Posts: 40; Member since: 15 May 2012)

I hope not. I was waiting for the HTC One Google Edition.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:40 1

15. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)

It is coming for sure.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 18:22 5

19. james004 (Posts: 486; Member since: 15 May 2013)

For once HTC started doing well and then other start getting Jealous.
Piss off Nokia. first make Android Phone then come to challenge HTC One.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 22:34 1

32. Alex123 (Posts: 241; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)

If Nokia make Android phone, do you think still have space for HTC??? HTC get popurity on HTC one only.

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 02:53 4

45. pulkit.tyagi (banned) (Posts: 35; Member since: 15 Nov 2012)

HTC has been making great hardware since 1998 , do a google search .

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 15:45

54. hms2407 (Posts: 94; Member since: 25 Apr 2013)

you should check out the sale records of htc g1,htc hd2,htc desire,nexus one ,htc one v,htc 0ne S,htc explorer,htc one x,htc hd7,htc widfire s and htc 8s if you think that htc wasnt popular before htc one....faggot

even if nokia comes to the android market,they will never be as big as htc,sony and samsung

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 16:49

57. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)

In your dreams. I bet it can easily come to 2nd place beating LG, SONY, HTC, HUAWEI.
There may be a war between Samsung and Nokia,

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 17:10

58. hms2407 (Posts: 94; Member since: 25 Apr 2013)

2nd place?? are u nuts?? they can never outsell the htc..htc's smartphones already beat nokia to the core,htc products have their own grace and about that competition sony has managed to sell more midrange units than nokia...if you think that lumnia 520 has done some good sales go and ask the retailers about xperia sp and xperia L !

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 17:13

59. hms2407 (Posts: 94; Member since: 25 Apr 2013)

and if i tell you that htc explorer and wildfre s alone have manged more sales than the entire lumnia series !

posted on 23 Jun 2013, 08:19 1

65. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)

I would like to remind you that Nokia is still on # 2 without even Android. HTC is too far from Nokia even with Android and WP.

posted on 23 Jun 2013, 08:53

66. hms2407 (Posts: 94; Member since: 25 Apr 2013)

oh #2 huh?? 85% smartphone market is occupied by ios and android,wp8 only shares 7.5% and this only includes 4.5 percent total nokia phones sold...

posted on 23 Jun 2013, 09:48

67. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)

So what?
I am talking about mobile manufacturer.
Stop going off the topic.
Nokia is on #2 do some research please.

posted on 23 Jun 2013, 09:49

68. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


Scroll down to Mobile manufacturers link.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 15:45 11

2. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)

For God's Sake! Please stop fighting and improve your products.
Both Nokia and HTC are just going down and down.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 15:46 11

3. Birds (Posts: 1150; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)

I kind of don't know what to say. I love HTC though and barely like Nokia so I hope this case can get solved without bans.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 15:57 7

4. waterninja21 (Posts: 28; Member since: 03 May 2013)

what's next? Kodak going to sue all smart phone manufactures because they use camera. All this I sue you, You sue me bulls**t does not mean anything to us the consumers. All we care about is quality of product. I mean hell Microsoft Windows was a stolen idea. get over it and start amazing people.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:01 13

5. ar2730 (Posts: 42; Member since: 24 May 2012)

Nokia ='s new Apple. Shame on you!

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:05 18

6. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)

In the last 9 years Nokia has spent 9x the money on R&D vs Apple. NINE TIMES. In 2012, it spent more on R&D than IBM. Sorry, but if a competitor, which has spent a small fraction of that money, ends up using a patent without permission & royalty payments, then it is up to the governing bodies (ITC, various courts) to figure it out.

HTC also used Nokia designed HAAC microphones in its HTC One, which it heavily marketed as offering DISTORTION FREE RECORDING. It also claimed it had no knowledge these HAAC's were Nokia's since it bought them from STM, a reputable supplier to both companies. What HTC did not state was that Nokia was very public in its patents, a white paper explaining the HAAC's and how they are critical to its own Rich Recording technology. HTC claims its engineers, product developers and patent lawyers were completely unaware of a competing technology when the company marketed DISTORTION FREE RECORDING over a year AFTER Rich Recording was marketed and commerically available (first on the 808, then on most Lumia devices). For HTC to claim ignorance is bliss is truly incredible.

IMO, if they get penalized for this behavior it's none too soon. Theft of IP that goes unchecked hurts true innovation. We shall see what the ITC rules on this and many other areas of contention between the company's.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 18:38 3

20. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

Well said+1

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 20:07 6

25. sprockkets (Posts: 1610; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)

Nokia may have spent 9x the R&D but that includes their software as well. Past 2008 Nokia has nothing to show for that R&D except for a camera.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 22:10 6

30. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)

So why did HTC won the case then with the Mic. When you boy something you buy it in good Faith. STM told HTC and the court that the agreement was for 6 month which was pass by the time HTC source out the Mic. But STM was wrong about that. Your ignorance is bliss. Read the story about it, not very hard

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 00:11 2

39. -box- (Posts: 3990; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

The microphone case went the way it did because the court decided HTC was not at fault, the microphone manufacturer was. Read the story about it, it's not that hard.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:05 17

7. axbog (Posts: 21; Member since: 03 Jun 2013)

Nokia is becoming more and more like Apple. But without the profits.

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 22:01

62. flynfree (Posts: 374; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)

For sure nokia have a profit from MS, 1 billion a yr, but from their products. .. the consumer will decide!

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:05 4

8. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)

Quite honestly, I believe this is one of the only ways Nokia can slow down it's competitors nowadays is by going the Apple route. Sue everyone in sight. HTC was slowly starting to change around its misfortunes and on the path to a real comeback with the One. A phone, in all ways, superior to any Lumia device. So what does Nokia decide to do to stop one of its competitors? Sue of course. I've been disgusted with Nokia's direction ever since Elop was planted in the company by M$ and the billion dollar payment to the Nokia board. This just adds more reason for me to be disgusted with Nokia.

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 00:18 1

40. -box- (Posts: 3990; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

There are several ways the one is lacking superiority, camera and microphones, just to name two. Your bias is showing. Better look to that.

Nokia darn near created the consumer cell phone industry (not to minimize Motorola and Siemens' contributions of course), and have thousands, yes, THOUSANDS more patents than their rivals, and the insanely good R&D department and budget to keep that lead strong. If they wanted to (if they didn't have royalty agreements in place of course), they could shut down every other cell phone line on the planet. HTC, Samsung, apple, Sony, etc etc would not even have cell phone lines without Nokia. Show some respect.

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 06:13 1

46. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)

I think you should look into the "bias is showing" part dude. Your skirt is waaaaaaaaay up there. That said, I know all about Nokia. I used to be an avid user of their symbian products. For years. And the old Nokia management went to the table and worked out patent deals with competitors almost all of the time. But the new MicroKia(or Noksoft) goes in for the "kill" with Balmers boy Elop in charge. Perhaps it's you who should brush up on their Nokia history.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:12 4

9. amats69 (Posts: 1256; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)

I Like Nokia and HTC but Nokia nowadays is following apples steps which is so sad....

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:22 1

10. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

See i wouldnt say its following apple and samsung with there petty fights but agree the patent system needs clearing out

hope there isnt a sales ban on any HTC products, and there some resolution. ofcourse we dont know what all there patents are for etc and how detailed but lets hope we dont see another company joining the likes of samsung and apple spending more time into court then on there products

nokia needs to reapply focus away from patents, be even better if both HTC and Nokia could work along side each other

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:26 7

11. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)

Nokia feels their patents are infringed upon and they're the new apple? Maybe they had a round table with HTC and HTC didn't bend, or maybe they didn't. Either way, this is what the patent system is for. You noticed it said over 50 patents. This isn't like 3 or four things like scroll bounce that apple is mad at. IF HTC is wrong here then they should innovate and not copy. If... I know if I worked hard on something and Jim down the block makes something that does the same thing as mine in the same way, I'm gonna sue as well. That's what patents are for. Not that they're right, but that's the way it is.

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 06:59

47. asseek (Posts: 164; Member since: 12 Sep 2012)

well said

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:28 2

12. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)

That said, I pray against an injunction. I really wanna see an HTC wpONE. In fact I wanna see HTC and Nokia both grow big with WP

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 22:19

63. flynfree (Posts: 374; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)

hTc One WP is possibly come, so nokia is getting worried.
I hate freakin' lawsuit.... just innovate and compete! !!

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:30 5

13. Eclectech (Posts: 149; Member since: 01 May 2013)

If you can't beat em, sue em. This is the path Nokia has chosen to follow to make up for their pathetic efforts at remaining relevant.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:33 4

14. khaldoon (Posts: 56; Member since: 17 May 2013)

Nokia is just like apple. when they don't find a way to super pass their competitors, they go and sue them for no reason ! Shame on you Nokia !

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:45 5

16. roscuthiii (Posts: 2027; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)

Who wants to bet on whether or not Microsoft's hand is on the tiller of Nokia's legal team???

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 23:51 1

37. sprockkets (Posts: 1610; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)

You don't have to. Intellectual Ventures is suing Moto again with more patents.

It got those patents from, wait for it, Nokia! And no, it didn't bother asking for a FRAND rate for their freshly acquired LTE patents either.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 17:25 10

17. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

FCK U NOKIA. Learn too compete n market your phone. Don't cry n bytch like the other company. Tired of this sales ban crap.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 18:17 3

18. gehena1315 (Posts: 54; Member since: 12 Jun 2013)

if htc steal nokia's technology, they should get banned! go nokia!!

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 18:39

21. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

Read post n6

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 07:04 3

49. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

Great another dumb troll doesn't care bout consumers right.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 18:48 7

22. Kriksis (Posts: 92; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)

All you people say is that you want INNOVATIONS...

But as soon as someone starts to protect their innovations you call them names...

Without PROTECTION of INNOVATIONS not a single company would spend even a fracture of their existing R&D budget, because it would not be in companies best long-term interests...


posted on 21 Jun 2013, 23:06 2

33. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)

Samsung spends a s**t ton on R&D and they only sue when other companies sue them first. Innovation will be just fine without patents. In fact, plenty of innovative companies are not going to even attempt to enter the smartphone industry because they might get sued by Apple or Nokia.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 23:21 3

34. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1979; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)

If they are truly innovative, they have nothing to fear.

Samsung spends more on marketing than R&D. Samsung is also guilty of willful infringement to the tune of $1 billion. I think you are using "innovative" incorrectly. Larger screens and half-assed software that only works part of the time is not "innovation."

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 08:52 2

50. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)

I think you should check your numbers before you spew crap out of your mouth. I am not sure where you are pulling out your numbers from but i am pretty sure that their R&D budget is higher than their marketing budget.

As for that 1 billion dollar lawsuit, the only reason Apple won was because of dumb ass yanks like you.

posted on 23 Jun 2013, 20:08

69. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)

If you want to talk about things that do not work half the time, I wouldn't single out anyone else if I was a Nokia fan. The camera only works 50% of the time in low light. the other 50% of the time, daylight, it doesn't work very well.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 18:48 5

23. wendygarett (unregistered)

Somehow, I feel like this is part of the m$ master plan, instead of paying advertising fee to agencies, m$ realize that paying advertising fee to lawyers is much more efficient, that way they manage to taunt fanboys' anger and boost both companies sales, and now I start to see those commenters wanna give them money already...

Remember, Nokia and HTC still a business partner, don't fall their trap because of your fanboyism

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 18:57 2

24. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)

Just proves how little these Asian tech' companies innovate. Their whole business model is based around reinventing the wheel so I'm not surprised

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 20:48 1

26. duwiegeneral (Posts: 48; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)

every product n company using android is a copy machine

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 21:20 3

27. SOwhat (Posts: 16; Member since: 21 Jun 2013)

LEt me ask you guys how whould you feel if you found out that someone stole your work/ design and idea? That you put all your efforts for a years? How would you feel?? Seriously . HTC will do the same way if they found out that nokia stole their work.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 21:25 1

28. SOwhat (Posts: 16; Member since: 21 Jun 2013)

The worst part here is before htc unveil htc one, they said nokia is a big FAT LIE because of using bast amount of megapixel to their pureview camera. Then suddenly they infringed nokia's patent? After beefing nokia's pureview, they stole their HAAC mic, now this one?? SHAME ON YOU HTC!

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 22:06

29. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)

You Nokia are so blind. Many of those patients are software related. So that mean they could go after any Android phone bit why HTC and not Samsung. Because they know Samsung will not blend over. The HTC first is stock so this Nokia being a baby

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 23:24 1

35. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1979; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)

Samsung is next. Apple did the same thing. Go after the weakest member of the herd, then work on the rest. By the end of 2013, we could see both HTC and Samsung banned worldwide. Sucks to be them.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 22:27 2

31. deburocks (Posts: 126; Member since: 20 Apr 2013)

reminds me of JOKER FROM DARK NIGHT. If you are good at something, dont do it for free. Lol. Nokia spent billions in its r n d labs, so they have full right to get royalty for their innovation. Like in the case apple pays nokia on the basis of phones sold for using nokia,s patent. people who say that this move is pathetic , better know that even a chinese cmpany can built an iphone and sell it at 70% lesser amount, but there is a thing called PATENT attatched to a product. Anyways hope they come to some settlement instead of blocking sales.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 23:25 1

36. SOwhat (Posts: 16; Member since: 21 Jun 2013)

some idiots here dont know the word PATENT. -.-

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 00:23 1

41. -box- (Posts: 3990; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

Quite true, although apple had to lose a large court case to make them pay those royalties. Backfired big time on them. Nokia should have prevented the sale of the original iphone because of all its infringements.

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 00:09

38. -box- (Posts: 3990; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

You'd think these patent claims would come before or just after launch. Talk about closing the barn door...

That said, go Nokia! Heck, shut down sales of everything else that infringes their stuff for a few months, that'd be a way to get your sales up where they belong...

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 01:30

42. shreyas.s666 (Posts: 80; Member since: 24 Aug 2012)

I dont get it how people are comparing nokia with apple in this matter. nokia has right to ask HTC about HAAC. they invented it and they spent on the research. how could HTC just take of the credit? is HTC so stubborn? ignorance is bliss. how couldn't they even know that HAAC was already appeared in 808, is there engineer sleeping?though i really love htc one i support nokia in this.

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 02:03 2

43. SIGPRO (Posts: 1056; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)

Sorry if i invented something and other companies start using it without my permission, hell yes i would sue them.

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 02:38 2

44. sbw44 (Posts: 433; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)

Bunch of android fandroids backing HTC is no surprise here! Wonder how you idiots would feel if someone came and stole you hard work and sold it off getting millions for it!

Good work Nokia! ban these people who steals your stuff! same can be said to other people who have their stuff stolen as well.

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