Nokia chief executive says Google is making Android more closed
0. phoneArena 24 Jan 2013, 10:04 posted on
Nokia’s chief executive Stephen Elop, an ex Microsoft employee, tied Nokia exclusively with Windows Phone and while the Finns have finally gotten out of the red for the first time this Holiday quarter…
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1. andro. (Posts: 1990; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
He should probably be more concerned with the poor sales of windows phones devices for the last year or two! Nokia has been crippled by the workings of this man for example
27. hung2900 (Posts: 884; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
Stephen "F"lop is a M$'s "pet" (former M$ employee), and everybody knows how M$ hates Google, so no way we can see an official Android Nokia under Flop's management.
Luckily the figures of Lumia in the last quarter is not so bad, coz if Nokia continued to lose, there would be no second chance for them.
But so bad Nokia Maps and Nokia Drive which are the company's competitive advantages over WP rivals (and iOS also lol) become a part of WP (of Microsoft). So bad, Flop
49. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Only Samsung makes a profit with Android: the rest of the OEM's lose money on their products. Look at HTC for example: what has Android done for them lately?
The reality is that WP8 is gaining traction, and so is Nokia, and I fully expect other OEMs will jump ship to Microsoft in the near future. LG and ASUS are talking about producing WP8 devices, and they would not be wasting time trying to do this is they felt the OS was not going to do well.
The writing is on the wall, but most of you are too busy posting stupid emotional comments to see what's coming down the line. ;o)
53. 14545 (Posts: 1272; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Are you ignorant? Sony, HTC and other DO TURN A PROFIT with android, if they didn't they would have cut ties already. It's funny that you bring up HTC, as they have made money the whole time, just not as much as they used to make. That's because of business decisions they have made, not because they use android. You sound like a fanboy with this kind of logic. Please read my comment to you below. HARDWARE MAKERS WANT TO SELL HARDWARE. THEREFORE THEY WILL/SHOULD SELL IT WITH WHAT EVER OS SELLS. That is an Unemotional statement. That is what business is about, making the most money with the least effort and time possible.
73. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)
NOW I know what's wrong with that cheap executive, he doesn't like Android
Also, his dislike of Android kinda describes why he looks so hateful (at least in my opinion)
56. sprockkets (Posts: 1581; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
HTC would be still making profit if they didn't f**k up their android reputation with the Thunderbolt and EVO.
93. metalpoet (unregistered)
Yeah and it they would just make a cellphone that has the same title, design, and specs on all carrier then Moto, HTC, and LG would be as profitable as samsung. If Apple ever did ONE thing right, it was keep their products looking the same on at least 3 of the big four carriers in the U.S.
Also Maybe all manufacturers should have an open mind in making WP and Android phones. This whole locking yourself up to only one type of OS is retarded! If Nokia would make that same great design that they have for these failing windows phones and slap android in it. id buy it in a second!
29. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
Yes, Microsoft (Elop) is always full of lies.....just foolish FUD
Its of course nonsense......open Android is a waylife for Google=easy to grab money from ads
32. GENERAL-BAKSHE (Posts: 28; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)
Microsoft hates, and wants Linux dead, no wonder he's jealous!
47. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Linux is dead. It accounts for just 1 percent of PC users. lol
70. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Omg, 7 thumbs down! That's like 90 percent of the total global Linux users ;o)
91. shuaibhere (Posts: 1927; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
Do you know that android is linux...and it is going to be the dominant OS after 2016...
And there is whole lot of things where linux is king such as work stations, super computers, servers, satellites so and so...windows doesn't even have 1% in those things...
44. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Well, it's hard to think clearly while Microsoft is throwing money at you just to use their OS.
This past quarter the check was $ 250 million
48. zuckerboy (banned) (Posts: 898; Member since: 22 Dec 2011)
he has no idea what is goin on ...
58. papss (unregistered)
Right because there aren't stages of people including a board that make decisions.. Some of you fandroids are idiots
2. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
Nokia please wise up and come to android ............SOON!
5. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Nokia, please wise up and send Elop back to MS. Where he belongs.
11. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
alas you androids not getting the best camera untill others start researching in it :P
88. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
maybe the time is right for them to comeup in camera phone to compete SS and Nokia and Android dont have any cemera phone king at the moment SONY can be the first they have good history in photography
72. jroc74 (Posts: 5534; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Yea.....because the camera is the only thing I use my phone for... :/
Anyway...Nokia dont have the camera market locked down. Sony, Samsung and HTC have decent cameras....
89. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
decent but not the best :P not nearly good enough, every camera starts to show its real face in low light. in daylight all are reletivly at same postion except PV-808
3. ckoch125 (Posts: 191; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
Of course he is saying this, he's just upset his company didn't get on board with android from the start.
59. papss (unregistered)
Right.. That must be it..
4. Ahsan (Posts: 37; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)
His mission destroy Nokia is on the wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
6. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)
How great would it be if people would use only statements they actually can confirm with statistics, demonstrations, polls or other kinds of more or less objective facts.
7. wendygarett (unregistered)
When someone finally make a good results, they will say anything just to make themselves better, just like Tim Cook says about cannibalization issue on iDevice :)
8. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3137; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Okay, you guys seem pretty confident...
You guys try stepping up to his shoes for a week...you'll know what to do since you know everything.
Agreed that he might a bit boiled up, but no one would like to see a company drop out of everything. Even if he did, there are other people that can vote him out. So, unless you know for sure...shut it.
10. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
i definitely agree that being in his shoes would make our views probably just as skewed as his is right now.........but, since we are NOT in his shoes but rather looking at whats going on from a pretty good perspective, we can most definitely give some suggestions as to what may be a better route......and if a big portion of people are yelling at him about what may turn around his company for good.........then maybe he ought to ..........take it in consideration? not saying he should agree with us, but definitely consider some things....
24. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3137; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
"i definitely agree that being in his shoes would make our views probably just as skewed as his is right now"
That's my point...
Look at how people are giving your so called "suggestions"...would you call that what you call it? I'm not pointing at you.
9. s.mrabet (Posts: 117; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Shut up E-flop!!!! and focus on your own s**t!!
12. dragonscourgex (Posts: 307; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
Sounds more like a man that choose to lock himself in with one platform and now is going defend it no matter what happen, just so he does not look like he made a bad call. Was it a bad call to use Windows..I don't think so, was it a bad call to only use windows...i think so. But, time will tell.
18. 14545 (Posts: 1272; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
This is my thing. When you have been struggling like they have, why lock yourself to ONE, new, untested and unproven platform? That just sounds stupid to me. But, like others have said, he is a MS employee, so he will defend them to the death. But as a struggling HARDWARE maker now, you should never lock yourself into one platform......Unless you own that platform.
60. papss (unregistered)
You should be a CEO or CFO since you seem so smart
13. yero789 (unregistered)
I think that Nokia is great and it's unique in this market,because it's no tusing Android.I have nothing against Android,it's a very decent OS,but Nokia will loose it's individuality,if it leaves WP and goes to Android.Anyways,who knows :D
20. jsdechavez (Posts: 708; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
I agree. Other OEMs tried to be Nokia by joining it when they tried symbian (Samsung, and Sony Ericsson back then I think).. And Nokia joining in with them now would never happen I think. Nokia will be starting from scratch with the codes while others have years perfecting it already. Never gonna happen. Only with Windows Phone can Nokia be KING again.. With all its innovations only in a differing OS.
94. yero789 (unregistered)
Yes I agree with You.I think that Nokia can make Windows Phone far better.I like WIndows Phone very much,but it really misses some features,but I belive that Nokia will make Windows Phone one of the best OS's.No other phone manufacturer uses Windows Phone as main OS so I guess Nokia has huge plans for this OS.
14. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
"Stephen Elop, an ex Microsoft employee"
What do you mean "ex"? Elop is a mole, plain and simple.
15. Shino (banned) (Posts: 196; Member since: 23 Jul 2012)
"it’s hard to say that Lumia Windows Phone sales have gotten traction. Actually, the opposite is true." - Dear VIKTOR H., what kind of an ''expert'' are you, anyway?! All the data Nokia showed about Lumia sales number revealed 4-5 times increase in sales in just UNDER a year! Yes, they may not beat Apple this year, but they keep it up. Also in many markets WP gained share. And the ONLY one who claims the opposite is you. Please, defend your statement or GET fired(I'd do so, if I was your boss) Really PA, when will you start hiring EDUCATED people. By that I mean Bachelor or Master Degree? When?
63. papss (unregistered)
Agreed, they have the biggest group of morons writing articles.. And for f sake PA learn to proof read what you are writing
16. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 878; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
I would love to see a Nokia Ubuntu phone in the future. They have the possibility of doing what Moto did for Android did years ago.
More competition is better for us all and it looks like it has a lot of possibilities.
21. jsdechavez (Posts: 708; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
They would start back to zero apps with this. Not gonna happen. Or else more trolling (My Nokia ubuntu phone has no appzz and gameszzz...) UGh! not having any of that. Ew.
92. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 878; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
I'm not saying abandon Windows which is working out for them for the time being but there's nothing wrong with expanding your portfolio. I'm sure they could build a niche market even if they were to offer it off carrier like the nexus 4. I would definitely give it a try just cause its different and has a lot of benefits other OS don't have. Why would I care about lack of games if i could dock it and have Steam games I could play or everything that is already out for Linux/Ubuntu?
19. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
Um, you've your own fragmented mess thanks to MS.
Sales, out of 80 million,... Impressive, but only 5 million were WP!
Closed Os, not throwing stones are you Elop?
Gave away maps to exchange Os patent costs from bug brother too ?
Elop, you should be run off .
22. jsdechavez (Posts: 708; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
Nokia can only make a difference with Windows Phone. They have the chance to win big again only with WP. They lose the advantage if they turn to Android. So easy to lose tech advantage if you're writing in the some code right? And all these lawsuits between Samsung and Apple? Nokia's not having any of that Android-iOS mess.
43. 14545 (Posts: 1272; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
If, and only if, Windows phone ran ONLY on Nokia's, would you have a point. But, they have to compete with HTC, and Samsung with windows phone, a struggling platform on it's own. So, again, Nokia is now a hardware maker(since Symbian is dead), no different than Samsung(sort of), HTC, Sony, Moto, etc. They don't own a software platform any more, so it is stupid to lock yourself to one OS, especially if that OS only makes up 1-5% of the smartphone market. Unless you don't actually have a plan to turn your business around. That would be like HTC or Samsung saying at this point "all we are going to make is Windows Phone". Their stock prices would plummet, and no one could save them at that point. This strategy works for apple because they OWN the software they put in their hardware. Nokia doesn't anymore, that's why this decision to hitch themselves to one, and only one, wagon doesn't make sense.
50. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Nokia is already making a profit with WP8, and doesn't need to bother with Android.
52. 14545 (Posts: 1272; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Great, it's now making a small profit. So I guess that should be the end of discussion, right? 585(IIRC) million compared with Samsungs(who I'm not their biggest fan) multi billion dollar profits. There is always room for improvement if they wanted it. As a HARDWARE maker now, THEY SHOULD want to get their HARDWARE into as many hands as possible. That means branching out into as many forms of software as possibly. Look at Asus, Acer, Samsung, HTC, etc. Many of the "top", and I do use that term loosely, HARDWARE makers don't stop with just one set of OS. The end goal, should be anyway, to get their HARDWARE into the most amount of hands in the least amount of time. But hey, their making a "profit" now, right? Damn.
45. 14545 (Posts: 1272; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
And I say what I did in the previous post because if Nokia made an Android phone, or any other OS really, I would probably buy it. Their phones are stout pieces of hardware. That is a real big plus in my eyes, but I refuse to use Windows Phone 7 or 8. Not after MS decided to make such a drastic change from their WinMo years. I was a "WinMo" user until WP7 came out, that's what caused me to leave.
25. nexusalltheway (Posts: 69; Member since: 28 Nov 2012)
The dude obviously isn’t a fan of Adnroid that’s why his remarks are very lame. Android is till VERY OPEN and will always be.
26. boosook (Posts: 1269; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
Fragmentation? Elop is a liar and is just spreading FUD, pathetically trying to support WP by bashing Android, perhaps because he can't find positive things in WP.
Unfortunately, WP is even worse than Android.
WP8 apps won't run on WP7.x phones. Isn't this fragmentation? WinRT tablets won't run applications that Windows8 tablets run. Isn't this fragmentation? WP7 phones with 256 MB of ram must run a striped-down wersion of WP7 an some apps like Skype won't run. Isn't this fragmentation? WP7 owners won't be able to upgrade to WP8. Isn't this fragmentation?
As to Android, every OS has a certain amount of fragmentation, because as things evolve you add new features and new APIs. Windows 7 apps won't run on Windows XP. It's normal OS evolution, widely accepted, but it seems that it is a problem only with Android.
As to the agreement mentioned in the article, everyone can take Android and do whatever he likes. Amazon did it: they took Android, removed the Google Market and put their own, and made their own tablet. This means that they used Android to build a competing product wich will sell applications, books and so on from their store, subtracting customers to Google, and they could take Android for free. See if Microsoft allowes something similar, before criticizing that agreement... look in your own house.
That agreement is valid for companies that have a closer partnership with Google, and in this case Google simply asks them: if you want to work with us, have our support please do not compete with us. But you're not forced.
So the things that Elop is saying are just FUD.
38. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
I agree. Just a small couple of things. For the most part, Android apps are generally backwards compatible to 2.2-ish or higher. Some new APIs won't work, but there is usually a workaround of some type. The fragmentation could be worse, and IS worse on some Microsoft ecosystems.
And that agreement about not fragmenting Android is one that must be signed in order to get Google's approval and licensing for their apps, including Google Play and Gmail.
40. nghtwng68 (Posts: 84; Member since: 26 Nov 2009)
Excellent points from start to finish.
Love the live tiles concept of WP, but the many short comings of WP7, 7.8 and 8 isn't enough for me or many others to make that change to such a fragmented OS in need of consistency when Android has it all together right here and right now.
Elop needs to get off Microsofts jock and open his mind to other platforms or lead such a fine company like Nokia in a do or die ride with WP OS. By putting all your eggs in one basket, the likelihood of failure is raised higher.
At least have a plan B and look into Android for some market share. Android OS on Nokia's fine hardware would be great for both parties.
65. papss (unregistered)
Who's to say they don't have a plan b? Why would they tell consumers that internal information? The answer is that they wouldn't.
30. corporateJP (Posts: 2388; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
Dude is using this as cover. He gets asked daily if Android is an option in the future. I personally see a good number of Windows Phone devices purchased daily, but a good number of them get returned. This guy is severely into the Microsoft Koolaid. While I have always loved Nokia, I am personally lukewarm to Windows Phone. MS has a bad track record in the mobile industry for software support (anyone remember Windows Mobile?), 7.8 is further proof. They should have done what Samsung did and spread those eggs out, made Meego phones, a few Windows Phones, then one or two Androids. Too bad MS pet Elop is in charge.
31. mick25 (banned) (Posts: 110; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
This is coming from a guy who chose WP, one of the most closed OS.
33. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
Not many sites online where the overall gist is not the same as here,..
Dump Elop an add another OS to the ranks, whether it Android, BB10 or something not so closed in an off, add in dead ended every time MS wants to change tiles.