Nokia Lumia 929 images appear; model will tell us plenty about Windows Phone demand
0. phoneArena 20 Oct 2013, 17:21 posted on
Serial leaker evleaks is at it again, showing off what appears to be the Nokia Lumia 929 for Verizon; this is a smaller version of the Nokia Lumia 1520 handset with a 5 inch AMOLED screen offering 1080 x 1920 FHD resolution. A quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon processor in on board with 2GB of RAM and 32GB of native storage...
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1. siluro (Posts: 46; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
Looks great, I just hope it comes to more than just Verizon however. Nokia will finally have caught up with the hardware specs.
5. Shatter (Posts: 1994; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Nah, windows 8 will be outdated again in specs in 6 months when android has hexa/octa cores and 1440p screens.
11. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3519; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Oh, quit being so immature.. What does the next corvette have to have 700hp, then the next viper 800hp, then the next, porche 900hp,,, and it never ends❔.. At some point we are going to have to be more intelligent about what makes a phone a good phone, and why we buy phones.. As we've seen recently,, all of the memory, and cores that Android packs into flagship devices doesn't always translate into better performance, and in some cases it's only necessary for some Android devices to perform acceptably.. A lot of you Android guys like to brag a bout hardware specifications, but others aren't convinced that Android is best because we've seen other devices perform much better on lesser hardware.. I'm not saying that I wouldn't be excited about a octacore WP device, but we can continue to be herded like sheep into thinking that everything else is now outdated just because new technology comes along.. That's not going to work out good for the consumer in the long fun,, leaving the companies lazy on real innovations that can be making our phones more useful in reality, and our everyday lifes.... People like you can keep buying a product because of what the side of the box says, but I hope more of us are expecting some real performance, useful features, quality devices, and intuitive services from device manufacturers, and software companies... The specifications of the 1520, and 929, are future proof for some time,,, in the real world... I just wonder if that octacore phone you're waiting on is still going to lag... Move on to better things❕
22. Shatter (Posts: 1994; Member since: 29 May 2013)
The point is for phones/tablets to eventually replace desktops/laptops for normal people, its not even close right now. An android device can't even have more than a couple apps open without major lag. At the current rate it will be 10+ years before its a viable replacement to a mid end PC of today.
WP8 is not built to last. Microsoft will chuck it in the trash for something better within the next 2 years. Leaving all users with it screwed over.
Android and Ubuntu mobile are the only mobile OS that can even be considered a possible replacement. IOS and WP8 will be dead and replaced with something eventually.
28. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3519; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Everything will be replaced with something better eventually, but there is no evidence that iOS, and WP will be replaced in the foreseeable future,, especially with Microsoft having moved WP to the W8 core kernel, so that WP devices can evolve well into the future without another overhaul like we saw from 7.5-8.0.. What in the world are you talking about❔... So, you think that WP, which is basically running MS desktop OS architecture, is not capable of evolving in the same way that Android can❔... Your comments seem to be very un factual, unreliable, subjective, and purely speculative... You obviously don't have any clue about the WP OS, and make your assessments about it based on the opinions of these immature Android fans here on PA.. How, can we trust what you say when you have obviously never owned a WP device, and haven't spent much time reading reliable source's information about the platform❔..
Trust me I know the platform inside, and out, and I'm not afraid to admit to it's shortcomings... Every platform has many shortcomings, but from my experience using WP for 3 years now you can trust me when I say that the vast majority of shortcomings that people like you mention about WP are simply not true at all.. And, that's the honest to god truth, whether you like it, want to admit it, or are open minded enough to understand it, or not.......
31. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
The ones who keep posting ultra negative trash talk about WP8 are likely being paid by Google or Sammy, or possibly both. It's best to take their comments with a grain of salt...
43. TechBizJP08 (Posts: 495; Member since: 25 Mar 2013)
Common rodneyej1, don't waste your words with this punk. They don't know sh**. They think of themselves they are great because of android. Smartphone wars is stupid. Just love your OS, who knows. One day they will switch to WP.
46. livyatan (Posts: 679; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)
"An android device can't even have more than a couple apps open without major lag. At the current rate it will be 10+ years before its a viable replacement to a mid end PC of today."
What phone do you have?
A Quad core android can play full hd video within a demanding 3D game without any lag.
And my Note 3 just freaking flies through whatever I try to put on it. It multitasks like a monster!
Please watch some coldfustion videos on you tube and get some clue.
If you think hardware is the problem, let me inform you that phone chips are already fully capable of running full windows 8, or Linux.
Even the old clover trail Atom does it.
50. GamePlayer (Posts: 48; Member since: 06 Jun 2013)
Uh... is Windows phone 8 as fun to use as android? I've heard it is boring and even though interesting first, gets boring really fast. Is it true?
58. Dastrix (Posts: 577; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)
No, it is not true mate. Honestly, I used to have Android before, but I switched to WP, not because I didn`t like Android, but I wanted a fresher, different, and more fluid experience. It`s great! I would say I like it better than Android. Whoever says that it`s boring probably never even used a WP in the first place and is trolling. Best ignore these lowlifes.
64. livyatan (Posts: 679; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)
You just called people low lifes for being bored with WP?
What kind of human that makes you?
I for one used WP, for months as a backup phone and I say it most definitely felt boring, cramped, restricted, limited and visually blank to a painful degree.. almost a depressing experience.
71. Dastrix (Posts: 577; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)
Unless you can't read, you missed the last part of my statement to which your aforementioned uneducated reply alluded.
62. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3519; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
No, thus is not true.. I've been using WP for three years and it just keeps getting better and better.. Those comments you are hearing about WP are from haters who are scared that WP is actually good, and may be a threat to the popularity of their platform.. I bet you that 99% of them have never owned a WP device, and few of them have only played with one for a few minutes in the store... My question to you is if you use your phone for a one hour period what are you usually doing on it? What apps do you use, and how much tinkering, and configuring, are you doing within that hour??...
Of course whether WP is boring, or not, is subjective, but you'd have to try one for yourself for a week when your upgrade comes around... If you don't like it simply return it before the grace period..
55. DefinitiveKid (Posts: 107; Member since: 15 May 2013)
Pretty much this. Also, I think that quad core processors already are kind of overkill for WP. This OS is like iOS, it doesn't need higher specs to be effective, so that in itself seems more like a crowd pleaser than anything else. I love Android, love iOS, but WP is quite special and I'm definitely planning on getting back to it quite soon.
24. potatosalad (Posts: 34; Member since: 07 May 2012)
bash it to Apple to make it relevant. thank you.
51. cc3493 (Posts: 155; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
More cores does not equal better performance.... and it is proven that aything over 330 ppi is practically useless, why dont you think apple does not upgrade its iphone screens?
35. Dastrix (Posts: 577; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)
4. Pattycakes (Posts: 22; Member since: 20 Oct 2013)
I like this device. I can see nokia being a big contender again.
6. GoBears (Posts: 335; Member since: 27 Apr 2012)
I'm a diehard Android fan but I believe this will be my backup.
29. -box- (Posts: 3749; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
And T-Mobile, as well. Sprint too, even though they're crap.
This is smaller than the 1520, and seems to have a 16MP camera versus the 1520's alleged 20.7MP one.
44. TechBizJP08 (Posts: 495; Member since: 25 Mar 2013)
I think the camera is the same. Just the same function with the 1020. can capture 16MP and 5MP downsample at the same time.
8. papss (unregistered)
Smaller screen and still awesome specs... can't wait for this
19. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5605; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
papss, you seem to be more dialed into Nokia specs than PA, so I am asking you - is the 929's version of OIS only for videos? Or, does it support stills too?
30. -box- (Posts: 3749; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Nokia's OIS is both for stills (mostly low-light and action shots) and video, but is most noticeable with videos as there is so much less camera shake (speaking from experience as a 925 owner). The stills you don't notice as much because the camera is fast anyway, but when your photos start coming out with little to no blur and better detail and accuracy, you realize what's at work.
36. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5605; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
"...but when your photos start coming out with little to no blur and better detail and accuracy, you realize what's at work."
Thanks for the response regarding OIS for stills. The text in your reply I quoted summarizes the benefits of OIS - whether for video or stills. It is all about an absence of blur and resulting better detail and accuracy.
I will definitely check out the L929, since it is available on VZW.
9. DefinitiveKid (Posts: 107; Member since: 15 May 2013)
Seriously, I can't wait to see how WP8 does on some beefed up specs and full HD screens, it's already so fluid I guess it'll be crazy fast.
10. livyatan (Posts: 679; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)
Ironically, Nokia has finally caught up just before the end of Nokia phones.
Anyway I think WP is pretty much dead after that happens.
Honestly, who of you believes the world will embrace Microsoft Lumia and Microsoft Asha phones??
12. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3519; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Does Microsoft call it the "Microsoft Surface Pro 2"" ❔... No, and they will not call it a Microsoft phone.. Mark my word,, they will simply be called "Lumia WP devices".. Look for the Lumia 930, Lumia530 Lumia1530.. The Lumia name is well established, and everything will carry on... If you're not dumb enough to not buy a product because part of the name has dropped,, why would you thing the majority are❔.. Or why do you think the average consumer even cares❔ They don't read this stuff❕... Real world = great products, and services, marketed to hell + popularity + market share.. We're already done panicking about the acquisition news,, why are you still❔❔
15. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)
Why Nokia couldn't make a phone with Android? Nokia could push WP8 more than any other WP supporting OEM if microsoft gets both OS on Nokia instead of HTC. Since the days of 920, only thing stopping me from buying Nokia is WP, nothing else. Even 1020 was great.
17. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3519; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Come into reality, and quit bitching.. The only thing keeping me from buying a Sony device is Android, but that's the first, and last time you'll ever here me say that.. Some of you Android fans are ridiculous.. Just keep buying Android, and quit bitching about other platforms... I beginning to think that some of you Android fans don't really like Android as much as you claim to because you're always on every WP article... You just prove how viable the WP platform really is..
26. Shatter (Posts: 1994; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Theres rumors about the WP8 replacement being a modified Windows 8 thats optimized for phones and can run desktop applications. All thats really known about it is Intel was working with microsoft to make CPUs for it.
Customization is king. On WP8 you get no choices you get to live with your tiles.
Want an iphone? Get MIUI and and IOS 7 skin, it looks the exact same.
32. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3519; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
You think WP is not customizable❔.. So, you can change the background in Android.. You can change, and reconfigure, the foreground in WP, with picture, and tiles that can display, endless amount of pictures, alerts, news, updates, and whatever else WP developers can conceive.. The possibilities are endless, and if you ever owned a WP device, and actually spent time configuring your own start screen, you would begin to see how WP actually has the most personal, and customizable start screen to date... No, that doesn't mean that it's better than Android or not, it's just different.. And that's why options are good to have.. You can have your static icons sitting above some animated background that does nothing, I we can have our start screen do all of the things that I mentioned above.. You buy what you want, and I buy I buy what I want, and everyone is happy.. So, the point is that options are good, and not everyone wants the options that you do.. For the sake of healthy competition, and the Android OS keep being competitive, you'd better hope that WP, and iOS, stay in the game, and continue to move forward with innovative ideas.. And, you can't argue that right now WP is super innovative❕ I have a Lumia 920, and I bet I can name more innovative features about my device than you can about yours. So, don't think that the game can't change at any minute... Open your mind, and just quit being so negative..
37. Shatter (Posts: 1994; Member since: 29 May 2013)
You are a very ignorant man. You have obliviously never messed with customization on android.
You can change virtually everything on an Android device.
"static icons sitting above some animated background that does nothing"
Someone teach this man WTF alternative launchers/custom roms can do. He obviously is clueless.
Nothing beats Android in customization because the operating system is open source. The WP8 possibilities are limited. Android is limitless because developers can keep making new things forever.
Heres just some quick examples of whats possible. There are literally thousands of these types of things/launchers on the play store.
38. Dastrix (Posts: 577; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)
WOW.. Really? Dude, is that really all you got? I mean, seriously? Customization blah blah blah... We've all heard that before. Anything else you got? Oh no, nevermind, Android got nothing else! Prove us wrong now...
45. livyatan (Posts: 679; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)
Android is pretty much critically acclaimed as the best mobile operating system.
It owns WP in CUSTOMIZATION(by far and beyond ), FUNCTIONALITY (by far and beyond ), and ECOSYSTEM (by far and beyond )
You can't even frigging chose a browser or video player in WP. Or put a wallpaper!
And you call that an OS?
Ironically, Android is far more like a desktop Windows than the Windows phone is!
48. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3519; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
And people that chose to buy a WP device still don't care, because Android is not WP.. Who cares❔
60. Dastrix (Posts: 577; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)
I'm sorry, you must have mistaken me for someone who cares. I hate to break it down for you, but...
CUSTOMIZATION = Dead argument. Move on. You clearly never used a WP.
FUNCTIONALITY = I'll just leave this here:
ECOSYSTEM: Apps. Another dead argument. You're comapring a mature ecosystem to a young and rapidly growing one. Ironically, WP got everything covered in the app department.
"You can't even frigging chose a browser or video player in WP." Oh yeah! Of course, Android NEEDS another browser or video player because the default ones are just so damn laggy, buggy, and crappy. Another dead argument here relating to customization. I won't even bother.
"Or put a wallpaper!" YES, you CAN...
LMAO, I love how your arguments are so subjective. Speak for yourself. Granted, it's obvious why you can't formulate a proper, objective argument. YOU NEVER USED A WP, yet you compare it to Android? You make me laugh dude. Get out of your Google search box and actually get to know WP. You're just wasting your time otherwise. O.O
65. livyatan (Posts: 679; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)
Thanks for confirming what I initially felt about you - being an annoying, clueless, mindless fanboy.
Where do you live?
I used more phones than you can count, idiot.
WP Lumia 800, 920, 610..being one of them.
What I can bet is you don't know what a good android phone is since you only ever used a Nokia.
Heres a piece of my experience - WP browser is an Absolute Trash compared to all stock android browsers i tried, and it made the phone a pain to use.
And the best third party browsers on android are all by far smoother and more functional than IE mobile..
Had you ever tried super smoothness of Samsungs stock browser or perfect scrolling and functionality of Dolphin with Jetpack for example, or you would hate going back to WP only because of that already!
The same goes for everything else - Samsungs video player and stock keyboard are FAAR superior to what WP offers, but there are LOADS of EVEN better optiins on the play store!
Functionality - you obviously dont know the meaning of the word, kid.
Lastly, heres a dare for you - FIND ME A SINGLE ONLINE REVIEW OF WP THAT GRADES IT AS BEING BETTER THAN ANDROID.
HERE I AM, BETTING YOU CAN'T!
90 % OF PHONE EXPERTS OUT THERE WILL TELL YOU THAT ANDROID IS OVERALL A BETTER OS.
70. Dastrix (Posts: 577; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)
LMAOOOOO WTF is Android? It's Lagdroid, retard.
For the record, I'm delighted to hear your reply. How do you know that I only ever used a Nokia?
40. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3519; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Nice❕.. So I love the amount of customization in WP, and you love what you can do with Android because it's open source.. If Android is the OS that you think is better for you then fine.. I'm not trying to convert you over to WP because,, who gives a rats as what you like.. But, millions of people have chosen WP because of what they like about it, and that's all that matters.. This article is about a WP device that is already looking, to a whole lot of people, to be a very good device.. Once again it's about choice, and we choose the out of box experience that works virtually perfect without having to fix, or change, things.. WP is not Android, not meant to replace Android, not meant to be like Android, and in fact its Microkia's goal to do things differently.. What is keeping you from getting that through your thick scull? All of the things that can possibly be done by Android are never going to be taken advantage by the average consumer, but most of the customization within WP will be used because that is just how the platform is.. So which is better❔.. I don't give a flip, and I'm not going to argue that immature argument with you because it's all subjective❕... Don't you get it❔.. No matter how great of specs Samsung, or HTC, packs into a device running the coolest version of Android,, we just don't want it because it is not WP❕.. We love the WP start screen, we love the mobile version of office that every WP comes with, we love the SkyDrive integration throughout the OS, we love the intuitive way that the OS is organized, we seriously love the metro design, the way our phones sync with or PC's, Xbox's, and W8 tablets, we love what Microsoft, and Nokia have come together and done with hardware and software,, bringing us great devices like the 920, 925, 928, 1020, and the ultra competitive 520/521 that is selling like hotcakes in some important markets around the world.. We have single handedly seen Nokiasoft rise to be at the forefront of smartphone innovation in the last year, and the three updates that have been released to the latest WP flagships have brought WP to a point way past were these devices can be used as the majority of people's everyday device... We use Instagram, vine, Facebook, twitter, audible, and all pretty much all of the popular apps that everyone uses on other platforms.. WP gamers enjoy Xbox live o. There phones, and a lot of huge corporations, like Delta, are deploying WP, and W8 tablets, to their employees, which gives us confidence that our platform is here to stay........
And you think WP sucks because you can't change some things.... OK..
16. Blackrod5000 (Posts: 9; Member since: 20 Oct 2013)
What's a great phone isnthe 1520 that AT&T is getting why is Verizon so scared to to get great Verizon is supposed to be the best but their phone selection tells different story.
27. Shatter (Posts: 1994; Member since: 29 May 2013)
They have 2 windows phones, its pretty obvious Tmobile is anti WP8. Know why? Because nobody buys them.
41. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3519; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
To say that nobody buys them is ultra stupid.. Sure they don't sell nearly as much as Android, or iPhones in America, but WP devices are selling at elevating rates worldwide.. In some markets WP has surpassed the iPhone, and at only 10% less worldwide share than the iPhone WP stands a realistic chance of becoming the number 2 OS in recent years to come.. You obviously don't realize how many WP devices are in the hands of people already, and you really need to stop listening to the senseless haters BS about how Nobody is buying WP devices.... Or are you one of those senseless haters,, and I'm just wasting my breath❔
20. Penny (Posts: 1128; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
This looks to have a significantly thicker bottom bezel than the 1520, according to the pictures. I would hope that the 5" phone would be significantly smaller than the 6" phone, otherwise what's the use?
I'm skeptical because Verizon tends to force manufacturers to make changes for the sake of making changes. I've experienced a couple of manufacturing defects with the Verizon exclusive Lumia 928 that I didn't hear from the Lumia 920 community, probably because that was a phone sold globally and so Nokia put more resources into manufacturing and quality control there.
39. snowgator (Posts: 3197; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Good to see you post from time to time Penny!!
21. remtothemax (Posts: 220; Member since: 02 May 2012)
the specs are exciting, but i just wish the design was not quite so bland. i've seen developer reference platforms with more character
25. Ant34 (Posts: 193; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)
If it wasn't for the tiled interface I would consider getting this phone. I like the minimalistic look and the screen is just too jumbled for my taste.
33. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
If you're not capable of understanding WP8 tiles, then you're also not capable of understanding Android's more advanced features. I recommend iOS, or perhaps lego blocks and children's books until you're able to cope with more advanced concepts...
52. Ant34 (Posts: 193; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)
Dude, get your head out of your arse. I said nothing of not understanding the tiles. They're as simple as iOS. Aesthetically, the screen just looks cluttered and messy. I like a clean look.
42. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3519; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Tha interface doesn't have to be so cluttered.. You can configure it how you want.. And, you'd be surprised by how that "cluter" becomes your personal "organized mess"" You'd have to seriously use one for a few days to understand what I'm talking about... Nevertheless, if you just really couldn't live with the interface then that's understandable, and it's a good thing that there are other options.. But, when you do have a upgrade come by I suggest that you try a WP device, configure the start screen the way you want it, and just try it for a week.. You never know,, you just might see what we see in it.. And, most carriers are giving trial periods with phones nowadays, so there really is minimal risk here... It's simple, if you don't like it then just return it for something else well suited for you.. If I liked Android then I'd have a easy time choosing a device because there are a lot of cool new devices on the market.. But, something tells me you aren't a iPhone kinda guy.