Nokia Lumia 920 has already lost the price wars: HTC Windows Phone 8X, Samsung Galaxy S III much more affordable
0. phoneArena 02 Oct 2012, 03:47 posted on
The Nokia Lumia 920 was announced to much fanfare a couple of weeks ago with buzz words like wireless charging and extremely responsive screen thrown around…
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24. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Nokia extravagant pricing and carrier exclusive deals is a setup to fail= check
25. navidsina2004 (Posts: 4; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
from the hardware perspective, every single aspect of Lumia 920 is better than the galaxy S3. and the android is free on glaxy s3. so you are telling me that Lumia 920 shouldn't be priced higher than a phone which has been in market for 6 months and got lower specs?
41. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Should be priced to compete, not defeat. GS3 is very popular. L920 untested. WP still slowly growing. So yeah Nokia pricing is extravagant. Only the few fans will sell their kidneys to buy. But the majority consumers Who determine if WP win or lose will not touch it. Why spend that much on a smart phone when you can get a surface maybe for $300 and a free GS3?
55. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
"Every single aspect"
Lol, you Nokia fans are worse than ishee*s.
How about these:
132grams of weight?
8.6mm of thickness?
Expandable storage and removable battery?
83. StreetNerd (Posts: 726; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
ooooo its 50 grams heavier....
ooooo its 2mm thicker....
thats nothing man
u should allready know that wp8 is lightning fast with the nxt gen S4.... its not our prob that sammie needs a quadcore to run properly......
bigger screen.... nah its to biggg looks hell ugly imo
131. maverick786us (Posts: 137; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)
50 GM will not pull your pants. It will not break your wrist either, unless your wrist is as fragile as that of a girl. But you can nail your hands using Lumia 920
92. SleepingOz (unregistered)
Chill dude, don't you remember Nokia fanboys claimed the same s**ts about the Lumia 800 and 900.
Just wait and see..
59. redmd (Posts: 960; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
you talk like you have already used the Lumia 920. evry single aspect huh? hello micro sd and removable battery.
26. kalamazoo (Posts: 5; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)
Yeah, 'cause it's really smart to compare an eventual $150 price difference of SIM free phones, one of which hasn't been released yet, has 32GB of memory, and is full of meaningful improvements, to 16GB units that have been out for six months already...
27. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
HTC 8x reachable pricing, ease of availability, awesome design and colors, thin, good audio playback, better ppi, dedicated camera chip, fast photo shots, sounds like a winner= check
33. StreetNerd (Posts: 726; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
yea i rly want to upgrade my Lumia 800 to 920 but the price is mehhhh
im considering the 8X but it has a s**tty battery, the rest of the specs are fine imo
34. noldypinontoan (Posts: 7; Member since: 30 Apr 2011)
No matter what brand of smartphone, but they should be able to provide great applications in the app store and complete their and up to date
39. stadivaari (Posts: 3; Member since: 02 Oct 2012)
Letś talk about quality. If BMW, MB, VW, Ford and Hyundai adopted Nokia Maps, they definetily choosed the best. This is one reason to buy Lumia 920, the othe is here:
44. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Alot of Nokia fans but not alot of smart consumer fans, just like the ipholks. All selling kidneys just to get a Nokia or iPhone. I'll be sporting a note 2 and/or HTC 8x and still have two kidneys plus pocket change saved for a surface.
65. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
mate what a stupid comment, so basically your calling all nokia fans stupid?
if your preference is to get another phone fine, but slating others off is stupid
49. Alistaire (Posts: 132; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Well, what does it matter unless you are buying it off contract...
Most people will end up with a contract phone or an upgrade. And it will probably be priced competitively then. Does not matter, can't wait to get the Lumia 920. And I can't believe I'm actually waiting for a device for the very 1st time.
50. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
Nokia Lumia 920 is value for money, i don't mind it be expensive. It features and hardware listed does make it valuable.
Yes it may have loss the Price War, but it has Win the Innovations War.
74. cdgoin (Posts: 374; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)
Unfortunately the MS and the Zune were innovative and lost the price war. The Zune HD especially should have wiped the floor with the iPod, no one supported and Apple did a good job of making sure it didn't get any shelf space or promotion within stores. Not only that, by the time it came out the iPhone was already changing the landscape.
MS didn't learn from that, and rested on their laurels, and let the iPhone eat their lunch. MS if they had put the ZUNE team on building a phone in 2007 they could have had a fighting chance.. instead they waited. Sad considering Zune was built on CE6.0. If MS had decided to not reinvent the wheel and instead build off WM6.5 and the ZUNE front end they could have been to market sooner, with a more stable product, that ran all the WM Apps..
All you have to do is go to XDA and see the ROMS that HTC and other people were cooking up back in 2007-2008 that would have put to shame iPhone. Instead MS, stuck with their antiquated look and style for WM, not incorporating any of the new looks or designs. Then wasting time building WP7, if they had supported and improved WM6 while working on WP7, Android wouldn't have gotten the foothold it did. I mean if you look at the last WM phones and the ROMs that were cooked for them then and compare to the first Android phones, you realize Android picked up MS stopped. Open OS, with lots of customizations and styles.
Sad really, too bad there isnt a time machine.
58. redmd (Posts: 960; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
bad strategy for Nokia.they aren't as famous or trusted as they were before. a "Lumia" is still a rare specie in my locality.I've only seen one using it.most were SGS3 or the note or iPhone. they should have checked how their current Lumia preformed in the market. oh well, my note 2 will arrive in two Weeks!
81. indra87 (Posts: 5; Member since: 02 May 2012)
Yeah, in my hometown, I've never seen anyone using nokia 7.5 windows phone. There are lots of android, iphone, blackberry and symbian phone but no windows phone.
63. cdgoin (Posts: 374; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)
I know I am in the minority.. but I have NO plans on getting a new phone until something that can replace my Dell Venue Pro comes out. Considering how Xbox has been blowing the releases and such of WP7, and now WP8.. starting to seriously consider BB10, but even they look to have abandoned Milan, which is the phone I would have wanted. Not even Android has many Portrait QWERTY phones. Starting to wonder if I am rare in the market, or fundamentally it is to hard and expensive to build a touchscreen w/ portrait QWERTY keyboard ? Since I am not a huge APP guy, the Dell Venue Pro works really nice for me and I have picked up a few new ones on eBay for when I need a "new" phone. Maybe like Windows XP, WP7.8 will probably be as far as I go for a while until they abandon it.
66. cdgoin (Posts: 374; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)
Hmm.. that should be MS and not Xbox.. haven't had my coffee yet apparently.
68. fongy (Posts: 41; Member since: 09 Feb 2010)
It's been a while since I've commented on this kind of thing... but here's my take...
I've been on android for years now (love it to bits) - not a fan of iOS - although I see the benefits of why people want iphones (simplicity, 'just works', not interested in customisation,etc.)
What Nokia (and M$) have to convince isn't the hardcore Nokia fans who are defending this price - they're already going to buy it... they have to convince people like me who really like the look of WP8 and in particular the funky 920 (in red) but are a bit nervous of changing operating system, especially as android has now hit its stride in the apps / smooth OS stakes...
Bearing in mind all the rumours of exclusivity with Nokia and certain carriers (in UK it's EE - not a good network and very expensive) - the only other option people have are sim free - now I've just renewed my contract for a GS3 (I can't tell you enough how amazing this phone is - the chrome browser in particular is the best experience I've had of monile internet surfing EVER) - it's zippy, bright screen, amazing camera, build quality is excellent (no creaks, etc.) gorilla glass 2, etc. etc. - but I'd be happy (as I'm a tech-lover) to try the Lumia 920... and if they'd priced it at say £400-£450 tops - I'd be happy to sell the GS3 for £250 ish and put the rest towards..) - but going higher than that - it's completely unrealistic...
Let's be honest here - M$ are constructing Nokia's demise so that they can buy the majority share cheaply and then they have an in-house mobile division (to go with their tablet making division) - it's sad but true...
The Lumia 900 is now under £300 on Amazon - maybe waiting a couple of months will do the same for the 920...
Nokia fans couldn't save Nokia from losing millions of pounds and customers, it's the rest of the people Nokia need to convince... and at this price... it's unlikely to convert many who have invested so much into other operating systems...
76. phoneari (Posts: 3; Member since: 02 Oct 2012)
Some utter rubbish here from Lumia 920 bashers.
However, totally agree with no-nonsense:
Lumia 920 has more features than the 8X. LEt's see what all:
Super-sensitive screen: Check
Higher resolution and slightly bigger screen: Check
Excellent camera: Check
Nokia's exclusive apps: Check
And comparing the 920 to a 6 month old S3. huh?
HTC is not qualified to be even compared with.
Best Maps/SatNav in the world. Proven.
IP5 doesn't match Lumia 920 in any way, so why pay so much more.
You can get any imaginable USEFUL app on Nokia.
maverick786us, you lists covers the rest, well done.
I work hard and deserve the best, Nokia Lumia 920. 50-200 pounds or dollars here and there won't shake me. If these prices make your eyes water, maybe high-end smartphones are not for you to enjoy.
99. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
50 pound difference agreed. 200 pound difference is too much even for me.
78. amihk (Posts: 13; Member since: 04 Sep 2012)
All these hardware spec comparisons are besides the point. The average consumer considers the OS and software ecosystem first and foremost, assuming the hardware on all flagship devces are pretty decent. Fact of the matter is that WP8, despite its merits is a distant third place ecosystem and it's going to he very difficult to convince an average shopper to make the switch and also pay a premium for the privilege. All the bells and whistles that Nokia has come up with might help them price closer to something like the SIIi but to price higher is nuts. Frankly image stabilization and wireless charging are not essential to my smartphone experience.
91. applesauce (banned) (Posts: 165; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)
Nor is 3D in a home television, but people still buy it.
100. Ratioexmachina (Posts: 3; Member since: 08 Dec 2011)
Whoa! Over 600 euros?! I was definitely waiting to get my hands on a Lumia 920. If it was around 500. Like, no more than...
But with this kind of pricing they don't stand a chance. Yes, the phone is awesome, no doubt...but still...
I paid a lot on my WP7 HTC Titan and Galaxy S2 when they came out...I'm sticking with those...
102. StreetNerd (Posts: 726; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
is the HTC 8S better than the Nkia Lumia 800?
103. PowTheBowl (Posts: 86; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)
The Nokia Lumia 800 won't be updated to Windows Phone 8 so... you decide.
104. ChiX017 (Posts: 308; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
I'm sorry but Phonearena, are looking at function before price Or price before function? It's either a sub-par phone with excellent competitive pricing Or an excellent phone with above the bench pricing. Buy the Lumia 820 if you want a cheaper phone. The value of Nokia in the hearts of customers is higher than stock prices, which affects what one buys? Customer loyalty or Stock prices?
105. fongy (Posts: 41; Member since: 09 Feb 2010)
Just looking at prices and what people are expecting to pay...
500 euros looks like the sweet spot for 920...
Not only would it undercut HTC by 50 - but it would really get those handsets flying out...
The danger with being so much more overpriced than its nearest competitors is that even on a contract - people will need to pay more upfront... and when the choice of handsets is so similar... Nokia need as many people (not just their fans) buying into their products as possible, 100 euros different between the 8S and 820 is too great...
£400 / 500 euros is spot on for the all important 'holiday season'...
Any more and it's just going to hurt Nokia by people choosing any of the other manufacturers (regardless of which operating system they use)
110. marions (Posts: 13; Member since: 19 May 2012)
If the 920 has good voice quality as most of the other Nokia phones do, then this will be a plus and I will definitely buy, at a slightly higher price. If not, no. It already "seems" to beat most every phone on the market. Voice quality is an important factor for me, but is rapidly losing popularity with many smartphone owners. This particular phone in particular has many more advantages than any stupid Iphone and most other phones currently on the market.
117. phoneari (Posts: 3; Member since: 02 Oct 2012)
I strongly believe Lumia 920 will have excellent voice quality, as you mentioned, most Nokia phones do. My current SG2 voice quality could be compared to muffled tunnel talk, whereas Nokia normally crystal clear.
118. abspro (Posts: 1; Member since: 02 Oct 2012)
I have the money and want the best! Take my money Nokia! The sooner the better, cant wait! :)
119. AKAJBK (Posts: 1; Member since: 02 Oct 2012)
The GS3 kills every phone nokias 900is nothing your all so f**king retarted if your going to talk about phones then atleast know what your talking about The GS3 Has wireless charging f**king idiots my phone is charging wireless right now stupid cunts. The only thing on the 900 is the camera that makes any differance to being a better opt the screen dose not matter once your screen is 300 ppi the humsn eye cant tell any differance mu gs3 screen is so crystal clear it perfectiono
120. marions (Posts: 13; Member since: 19 May 2012)
The phone of discussion is the Nokia Lumia "920."
121. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
wow your a dumb ass arent you, your so happy will your gs3 you need to come on here and rant at others
go somewhere else fanboy your comment is stupid
125. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
i think its jus a little arrogant to price it that high when people are still not sure about windows OS itself as well as people being not to found of "nokia" as a brand........not saying its not a well established brand because we all know who they are but they are just not the "hot" company anymore like they used to be some time ago........Apple is as arrogant as they come.....BUT they can price their phone that high and still SELL MILLIONS! sad but true........Nokia on the other hand has not gained that ground yet to be pricing their phone that high because once again......people are still skeptical about them as a company as well as the windows operating system............hopefully they lose their pride quick and rethink the price value of this phone to save themselves from losing this competition........they dont need to put it at a very low cost but they indeed need to place it at a more reasonable price range........600-650 perhaps?
128. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)
nokia is being stupid! even though the specs and hardware are great but they should cut the price lower than that!
920 is a great device but the price is still too fancy to attract people! in my place they will still pick iPhone 5 coz its worldly famous! and even though its super pricey but they want to own one just for the device!
i always new that the 8X will be price almost the same with 820--they have almost same specs! coz i think HTC will be prepping its 4.7 (same with oneX) quadcore (s4 pro?) next year!
but for now, they just release 8X with dual core and 4.3" screen!
129. phil2n (Posts: 478; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
did u know that victor is WP hater. Most of his review/post is againts WP...
132. phoneghoul (Posts: 12; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)
Nokia should abandon WP and should join hands with Jolla. This tonka toy plastic slab will never save Nokia or take it out of woes.
133. marcdunn82 (Posts: 10; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)
You have to remember that in the USA this phone and the other two wp8 offerings from HTC and Samsung are pretty much the same. Msm8960 or whatever (1.5 GHz dual core) same ram, ect. Which is also the same as the android flagships this year, gs3, one x, and my favorite evo lte. I think what ever advantages these phones will have will come from the software. That being said, the extras ie. Wireless charging and the like won't be very big factors in my opinion. But Nokia has a hole to climb out of and a sky high price tag won't cut it.
134. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)
Oh my gosh this is so tragic 4 me!!! EVEN though I'm not getting that phone anyways :0
135. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1235; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
Nokia has I think is the better company to buy a smart phone from for instance they are going to continue to support their Lumia 710. 800 and 900 despite the fact that Microsoft has gone to a more advanced operating system for their smart phones Windows 8. I do not see HTC or Samsung saying they will continue to support their old
Windows 7.5 or 7.8 smart phones. Nokia through the sales of their new Lumia. 510
will create a new line of cheaper smart phones with Microsoft's help to keep Widows 7.8 smart phones alive. Why not Windows 7.8 smart phones have 100000 aps and more coming it's has an ecosystem folks