Nokia Lumia 1020: Smartphone camera reinvented
0. phoneArena 11 Jul 2013, 14:51 posted on
The Nokia 808 PureView introduced a revolutionary smartphone camera technology to the world, but it always felt like bringing this innovation to the market alongside a dead OS was largely a wasted effort. Everyone loved the powerful camera, but no one fancied the Symbian-powered smartphone, especially when the fate of Symbian was perfectly clear...
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1. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5530; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I am hoping that by the time the L1020 makes its way to VZW, it will get an upgrade to the CPU, GPU and screen resolution.
18. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3875; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Probably. Verizon will release the Lumia model in the holiday season, which is about when Microsoft will release the GDR3 update to WP8 will be released, which brings 1080p display support.
Verizon Lumia 1028: 4.7" 1080p display with Snapdragon S4 Pro @ 1.7 GHz, everything else the same.
23. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5530; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
With an S4 Pro, Nokia will continue their commitment to early L1020 adopters - to not completely obsolete their purchase.
I wonder how long it will take to write a 36 Mp file to storage with an S4 dual core CPU? The Galaxy Camera with the Sammy Exynos quad core chip takes about a second... :-(
26. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3875; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
It shouldn't take more than about 2 seconds. Based on Antutu scores, the Exynos 4 Quad scores about double that of dual core Krait in CPU tests.
But, the S4 Plus and S4 Pro only support up to 20 MP cameras. So 21 MP of that 41 in the 1020 are essentially useless, unless there's something I'm missing.
41. TheCynicalTechie (Posts: 56; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
They use a separate processor for the camera.
54. eharris560 (Posts: 56; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)
Yeah the OS that everyone likes to call s**t
61. cam-whore (Posts: 164; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
the pureview was able to handle it without any hassle on a single-core and outdated os, with a lot of power to spare, it ain't android you know. S4 can't handle that powerful cam the way only nokia can, unless anyone wants either more gazillion lags or another reason to have another samsung blow up...again...
58. haseebzahid (Posts: 1801; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
that seems true as their is no point to continue on this spec sheet with so much varity now and this will be intersting as this model will soon see huge price drop after the next genration phones are launched
35. akki20892 (Posts: 3248; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
unbelievable phone seen today, can't wait to check it out the greatest, unbelievable, unique, and tremendous Nokia lumia 1020.
Loveable design, unbeatable features and of course camera #ZoomReinvented
48. Shatter (Posts: 1967; Member since: 29 May 2013)
If you like carrying around a brick with a huge bezel I guess its okay.
55. eharris560 (Posts: 56; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)
Why u mad? Don't hate the player hate the game. Sony has something coming for u
4. akishakoi (Posts: 65; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)
"we can't wait to put our hands on this PureView shooter and compare it against the fearosome competition out there, including the Samsung Galaxy S4 and Apple iPhone 5."
dont wait. if you have seen the demos, you know it's way way way (to the power of 41) above the rest.
6. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
You can't compare WP8 and Android 4.x processors head to head. It isn't apology to say WP8 doesn't need the fastest quad-core out there.
That said, the 1.5 Ghz S4+ is the same chip Nokia put in the Lumia 920 8 months ago, and something much faster will probably be released in a few months.
15. zennacko (Posts: 222; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)
S4 zoom is a dual core too... and humongous.
62. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
That's all it needs...it will be smooth baby like every other Lumia
7. lndn9 (Posts: 8; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
Impressive, undoubtedly! Exactly such 'details' in smartphones make differenceon the mobile market. You don't offer new crucial features, you don't sell your products to new customers...
[...] new mobile hero's coming: smartman.mobi
8. jb4674 (Posts: 139; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
The biggest feature of this phone is just the camera function/hardware. I'm not too keen on owning a device that runs on Windows.
9. ZeroCide (Posts: 683; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)
Try it you'll probably love it. It is a pretty smooth OS.
25. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)
And pretty boring OS! lol XD
49. Shatter (Posts: 1967; Member since: 29 May 2013)
If you want the best features and most dev support and updates stick to android. All that is unique about Nokia is they put good cameras in their phones.
56. eharris560 (Posts: 56; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)
Why should I waste my time rooting my phone? I can give that time to my wife and kids. I can have a few beers and watch tv. I can go to the gym, or enjoy a nice day/night. My point is the Droid life isn't for everyone. I pay $500 for the device so I don't have to be a programmer or write code.
10. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1619; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
Don't try it its nice an beautiful but at the Ned of the day its boring and hasn't got many features!
11. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Thanks, I won't take that useless advice!
21. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1619; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
The advice wasn't aimed at you though so you can gtfo.....
32. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I know, I just couldn't resist with such subjective advice. "You should try WP8." "No, don't try it. I find it boring."
42. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
hey whoyton. we had a little agreement about our further discussion but you can expand it toward the others as well. Let´s stop using this redneck language and be more polite otherwise this site will change into some sh*@hole even more.
14. ZeroCide (Posts: 683; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)
The only thing boring are all your comments here on PA
20. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1619; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
Hahahaha very good......but in all seriousness WPI is awesome ! I love it its incredible wish I had my 8s with me now but sadly it broke......
12. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2927; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
The only thing impressive about this device is the camera, over a year old specs in every other department and you know Windows 8.1 with 1080p displays and quad core processors are just right around the corner. Not bashing this device, it's camera is very impressive and will be a joy for many camera lovers, but I can't justify spending 300 dollars on such old hardware on every other spec department when Microsoft is very known to NOT release major updates to previous gen devices.
17. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
You're right, the camera is the sole selling point of the 1020 over the much cheaper 920/925/928. But I don't think the 1020 is meant to be Nokia's flagship, just their flagship cameraphone. I'm sure the 'real' flagship Lumia will arrive this fall with the processor and screen upgrades you're looking for at a more competitive price. I doubt it will have the 41 MP camera though.
16. SingDaFire (Posts: 74; Member since: 21 Jun 2013)
Seriously try it.. Once you own that thing you won't feel like leaving it.. Gonna get it when it comes in my country..;)
38. htc_evo_3d (Posts: 84; Member since: 11 Mar 2013)
I personally love Nokia and pureview camera.. but i can't hope that Nokia combines Pureview and Android. :(
who wouldn't buy a phone with Nokia + 41mp Pureview + Android ?!!
50. Shatter (Posts: 1967; Member since: 29 May 2013)
We need a Nokia made nexus with their pureview camera on it.
59. saffant (Posts: 210; Member since: 04 Jul 2011)
It's not catered towards housewives anyways..
64. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
I wouldn't! Nokia & WP...a marriage made in heaven.
19. FlushGordon (unregistered)
I have ran out of negative things to say. Lol
22. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1619; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
LOL its like talking to a brick wall.....your voicing your opinion but the only thing staring back is the blank brick wall......
24. Ruisleipä (Posts: 31; Member since: 06 Apr 2013)
You guys need to accept that Nokia is awesome, go ahead, buy one and use it for a week and then tell me what you think.
27. FlushGordon (unregistered)
It's an expensive point and shoot camera tucked in a crappy OS with an outdated hardware
$300 on contract = $700-$800 unlocked
Now ASK yourself if it's worth it or not
29. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3875; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
There was official pricing, it's $650 off contract on AT&T (info from Pocketnow). It's basically in the same price range as the Note II.
30. FlushGordon (unregistered)
Price will substantially go higher overseas due to taxes
34. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3875; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Well, aren't phones usually $700-800 unlocked anyways? I know in the U.S if you buy electronics overseas they cost a lot more, a GS4 is over $700, same for an HTC One, over $800 if you want a 64 GB model. There's actually a pre-order for the 1020 on Negri Electronics, and it costs about the same ($735).
37. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
FlushBordom, you do have a right to your own opinion, but others feel differently about WP8, and they value having an intuitive UI more than flexibility or a greater number of apps. You cannot have everything, and Android sucks for speed especially - at the low end - and is both highly insecure and badly fragmented. Also, it lacks real Microsoft Office editing capability, and Outlook.
39. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3875; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Android is only insecure when you download things outside of the Play Store, and fragmentation is a blown out issue. The majority of apps in the Play Store only require 2.3 and up, a small portion require 4.0, and only apps like DashClock require 4.2.
No consumers care about fragmentation as long as they can get the apps they want, which 98% of them can. I had to switch back to my old Mytouch 4G before when the screen on my GS2 shattered, I returned it and had to wait for my replacement, but the Mytouch 4G is on 2.3. I had no compatibility issues with any of my apps on 2.3, which means the vast majority of consumers probably don't as well. Based on the last report of Android version distribution, that means 95.3% of consumers can get the apps they want. It's not an issue.
45. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Android does have it's advantages, but then so does WP8 OS, and it's users virtually never have to worry about any viruses or spyware. Also, the lower end Lumia 520 is able to run circles around it's nearest Android competitors, due to WP8 OS being able to run faster with less resources. It is also true that fragmentation is an issue for Android, but that issue doesn't exist for WP8 device users. Finally, there are at least 160,000 Apps available for WP8 now, and while that number may pale in comparison to Android or iOS, most people will have no problem adjusting to the software available on the Microsoft side of things. The number of apps should not be a reason for failing to switch if you value having a smartphone with a better camera. It's the QUALITY of software that matters, and 75 percent of the apps on Android are complete and utter junk. There is a reason why they are free to download, and many have not even been fully tested or scrutinized before they are listed on Google's playstore, which is why there is such a huge problem with malware and spyware.
46. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3875; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
"Of the 51,447 examples of malware discovered by the security firm last quarter, only 146 came from the Google Play store. That means that the main source for apps for most users only was found to have 0.5% of all the malware found. Sure, if you're living in China and using a bootleg non-Google Android device, and constantly sideloading apps, you may be at a higher risk."
As for performance, I have always given WP credit for being the smoothest OS out there. Hopefully Google will be able to make low end device work well on Android with 5.0 KLP, which is said to run smoothly on 512 MB of RAM.
75% of apps being "junk" on the Play Store is MAJORLY over exaggerated. I have not come across a single app that hasn't served me well in my extensive use of Android. I'm sure there are crappy apps out there, but they are very hard to come by.
As for fragmentation;
Yes, WP8 users don't have to worry about being left behind on updates, for now at least. When WP picks up speed in the market, more manufacturers will make devices with it, and there will be more and more devices running WP to take care of with updates, but a lot will inevitably get left behind. It's the downfall of open source.
60. saffant (Posts: 210; Member since: 04 Jul 2011)
Why would you compare a low end Android to a flagship competitor OS device? what kind of an idiotic argument is that?
Android does not suck for speed. In fact, when it comes down to webpage load times, game load times etc.. Android's quad cores wipe the floor with WP8.
28. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3875; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Nokia is great, but WP is pretty bad. I never really liked it
31. Q1Q10 (Posts: 17; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
atnt exclusive and 300 dollars with contract. The F. Nokia what are you thinking!!!!! This was your chance and you lost it,
36. -box- (Posts: 3708; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Maybe, maybe not. High prices worked for iphone and galaxy s series.
That said, I'm genuinely concerned that this is the first of all high-end phones being priced so high. Subsidies going down, fees going up, upgrades farther apart, profit margins shrinking...
33. papss (unregistered)
I'm ordering as soon as they post the site to preorder