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Nokia + Microsoft = Win?

0. phoneArena 29 Mar 2012, 07:26 posted on

Even if the early Nokia Windows Phones aren't a tremendous success, does it mean that the company is doomed? And what about Microsoft? If it fails to popularize Windows Phone – would it mean that all hope for a foothold on the mobile market is lost?...

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posted on 29 Mar 2012, 07:31 8

1. snowgator (Posts: 3200; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


I am so not worried about Nokia, or Microsoft. I think these two are all in, and their gameplan is solid. I think they excel together.

Where I am worried is the other manufacterers. As Nokia is all in on WP, and Sammy, HTC, LG, and ZTE are Android driven, will they stay in the WP arena?

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 13:24 2

23. Henrik (Posts: 141; Member since: 18 Feb 2012)


I actually think both HTC, LG, Samsung and ASUS are waiting eagerly to drop some WP8 devices, now that they are more free to spread their wings in terms of hardware. Especially Samsung is pretty confident that it has the hardware to compete with Nokia, porting it from their Android catalog.

And with the beast of Windows 8 coming to town, partnering with Windows Phone, things will probably start looking really good by the years end for all of us :-) Not so much for Android, but for Windows Phone!

Android and Apple need the heat of the competition, and people should recognize that.

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 16:41 1

32. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


i think those manufacturers are a little hung up with marketing specs, so they are weary of low power wp... once multi core ad hd screen support comes i think there will be a larger rush to wp7 form manufacturers.. hopefully sparking some competition as long as microsoft stays truthful to preventing major tampering... for all the customizations they could do, quick updates and a unified os are way better for wp as it cannot nor should not compete with android for customization

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 07:45 5

2. wendygarett (unregistered)


sorry to say that... i would still prefer htc... and i would buy a high end android phone (One X) this year and a mid-low end windows phone (similar to Radar) next year.
If next year htc doesnt show mid-low WP. thus i will purchase lumia series.
Platform is the key of the smartphone nowadays..

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 08:37 5

7. deacz (Posts: 150; Member since: 02 Nov 2011)


tbh i wouldnt buy a tegra 3 phone, sure on a tablet they make sense but for phones i would hold out for the s3 or a phone with a krait dual core.

right now the phone company in most trouble is HTC they have nothing special in their lineup, they wont be able to compete with low price and kick ass coding from the chinese andriods, or sammys tech. Neither do they have the design or backbone of sony.

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 07:46 7

3. FoneAddict (Posts: 197; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)


Nokia were doomed as soon as they went to bed with Microsoft. Their initial release hasn't really caught the publics imagination and I don't see how they can turn this around.

The fact is Nokia had something special with Meego but Nokia (or should i say Stephen Elop) decided to ditch it. BIG mistake! This will be studied in business schools around the world as a case study for generations to come.

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 08:09 10

5. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


meego was a failure from the beginning. It may have had a foothold in europe had it survived, but it would have never made it to major player status, no matter how good it is because American carriers would shun it.. Just like they do with Bada. its only chance would have been emerging markets like china and india.

I really dont get the doom and gloom people say about WP7. The OS has been out less than a year and frankly is doing better than android did at the 1 year mark. Most OS's are not over night hits but are build ups. WP7 hasnt been heavily advertised up until this point because MS wanted to work out its bugs and have all its players in position. This year is the year that the WP7 push starts, and the nokia devices are already selling quite well.

WP7 has iOS smoothness, the capability of Xboxlive quality games, some customization like android, and an already active mod community. It also is finally getting the bankroll from MS to advertise and make it popular, which they havent done until now. It also has the advantage of being part of a larger family of "Metro UI" as EVERYTHING Microsoft is touching this year is turning to the same interface.. so you will have no choice but to be familiar with the set up.

Open you eyes, you will be surprised.

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 08:39 8

8. deacz (Posts: 150; Member since: 02 Nov 2011)


once they remove zune and the whole file system thing on wp7 it will be a great mobile system. People should really try it out before they keep fanboying ios or andriod devices, wp7 is fast and fluid.

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 11:04 4

19. nghtwng68 (Posts: 73; Member since: 26 Nov 2009)


Being an avid Nokia phone user I totally agree.
Have had a Android device and own a iPod Touch and I'm very impressed with WP OS.
Fluid interface, cool animation sweeps and very fast overall. A true joy to use. Once WP get a little customization added, I think it will go over nicely to the masses. Good luck to Nokia and Microsoft.

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 13:25 4

24. Karan_Malhotra (Posts: 27; Member since: 17 Feb 2012)


I dont know why people still rattle about nokia ditching meego. Dont u think if nokia went with meego it would take years and years to build the app ecosystem the android or ios has today....but with wp backed by the giant like ms...it could catch up with android and ios somewhat more easily...

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 08:10 4

6. wendygarett (unregistered)


you should try to accept WP though :)

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 08:07 2

4. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1322; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


Meltimi of GTFO

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 08:48

9. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


The U.S sales will determined Nokia's fate. It is by then we will know Nokia is successful or not.

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 09:18 4

10. AndreaCristiano (Posts: 1; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


This is definitely a good article and accurate Windows phone like it or not is about to explode onto the scene and take the fanboys on all sides by storm, and this is coming from an avid android user rocking a Galaxy Nexus who is about to switch

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 09:31 4

11. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)


i really hope Nokia succeeds. because when they do, other manufacturers like HTC, LG and maybe Samsung will push out more Windows Phones. my friend has the Lumia 710 and i must say, the phone is extremely fluid. i kinda like WP7 and i would really hope to see it succeed, i think one of the ways it can succeed is if Nokia is successful with their Lumia Phones as it would give Windows Phone its much needed attention..

also i heard that WP7 doesn't have Mass Storage(?) i hope MS changes that tho

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 10:07 6

12. redmd (Posts: 868; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


Nokia + Microsoft = they have a lot of catching up to do. WP is an entirely different OS than symbian. I found it much easy to shift from symbian to Android because of those retained functions. Its not all about smoothness everyone is crazed about.

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 10:15 4

13. azri05 (unregistered)


I surely won't buy windows phone for the time being. I'll wait until it's completely matured. I'll wait for windows 8. WP have a very big potential. Lets see how they going to direct it.

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 10:22 5

14. azri05 (unregistered)


Alert! Off-topic for a while. It's fun to see how smartphone nowadays having their own trademark name:
Nokia = Lumia
Samsung = Galaxy
Motorola = Razr(comes back)
Sony = Xperia
LG = Optimus
HTC = One(not sure)
What else?

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 10:53 2

16. JSern (Posts: 282; Member since: 22 May 2011)


Ya, this may somehow easier for the people to know the latest phone model rather than remembering totally different names

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 12:13 2

21. MYTHiKAL (Posts: 33; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)


Do not forget to SUPER Famous EVO line up from HTC :)

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 15:24 2

28. haroonazeem638 (Posts: 127; Member since: 29 Mar 2011)


For Motorola, it's not Razr. It's Droid.

All really cool names haan?

What about Apple? Their names suck!
iPhone, 2, 2S, 3G, 3GS, 4, 4S....bla bla bla..what?

posted on 30 Mar 2012, 04:02

38. karanstyle (Posts: 188; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Seriously, Apple sucks with Monotonous names and designs it creates. Design looks good but not durable and doesnt fit the palm for longer.

Designs Like: Xperia Neo/Nokia N9/HTC Desire HD/Nokia X7 are too easy in palm because they're rounded @ curves

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 10:28 5

15. sheepygalaxy (Posts: 68; Member since: 10 Mar 2012)


Most people haven't tried w7phones yet they say it's rubbish and a fail DO YOURSELF A FAVOUR TRY IT FIRST BEFORE BASHING IT.I have lumia 800 n8 3Gs and sgs2 so I can say it's almost as good as Android but better than the other 2

posted on 30 Mar 2012, 00:31

37. frydaexiii (Posts: 1216; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


Oh, I've tried it and I'll admit it's smoother and more consistant than Android, but my argument between Android and iOS applies for WP7 too. WP7 can't do anything! If I left my homescreens completely blank, I'm sure scrolling between them would be pretty smooth as well. Close to no customisability, and I'm pretty sure you can't download custom live tiles from the marketplace. So all the live tiles you add would be those Microsoft provides you with, which once again forces that "consistantcy". WP7 would look like a mess if they allowed user to use custom tiles.

The guy who's phone I was trying also told me he would have preferred an iPhone and only bought his current model because it was considerably cheaper than the iPhone and high end Androids (I don't remember what model it was, I don't give a crap about WP7s but it was before the Lumia series, a HTC I think, the top of it's time).

I don't hate WP7 as much as I hate iOS due to it's fanbase still being a very humble bunch and WP7 still has a hell lot of room for development (Who knows? I might even switch to it one day if it gets good), but Nokia and Microsoft are getting way to cocky for their own good. and we all know what happens when a company gets too cocky, they stop producing good stuff and keep producing the same crap because they know they have a strong fanbase that will support them no matter what.

posted on 30 Mar 2012, 04:07 2

39. karanstyle (Posts: 188; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Are you aware of a word called Marketing...?

They're working on their WP7 then WP7.5 and Soon getting WP8(Apollo) which would get you to the better customization step by step...

Neither Android's Cupcake & Froyo were born that good(mature) nor it was Apple's iOS. It was only Symbian in its time was born Mature(as per its time, dont compare it today but still Belle is Good & Smooth).

Conclusion:
Everything takes time to Ripe!

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 10:55 3

17. JSern (Posts: 282; Member since: 22 May 2011)


For developing countries like Malaysia(me), the lacking of some essential features like scout can be a turn off. I'm waiting for the announcement from Nokia World, where they announce the brand new Nokia WP Apollo. NOKIA + WP = WIN

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 10:58 2

18. Shubham412302 (Posts: 298; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)


I will buy nokia devices only with launch of apolo

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 11:50 3

20. zuckerboy (Posts: 898; Member since: 22 Dec 2011)


=fail

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 12:58 5

22. rnk.khch (Posts: 86; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)


I'm so glad that finally Phonearena posted a decent comment about Microsft/Nokia/Windows phone. All of the previous comments were negative and biased.

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 15:12 3

27. karanstyle (Posts: 188; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Agreed! this time they were not baised else it'd have been my last login to their site...

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 13:29 2

25. MickDM (Posts: 63; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


thank you ray for your positive review...ijs...

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 14:57 1

26. StreetNerd (Posts: 700; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)


i couldnt wait for Apollo. I had to upgrade my Omnia 7, so i bought the white lumia 800 (1yr contract) :D

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 16:17

29. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)


NOKIA+WINDOWS=INCONSTANCY

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 16:22 1

30. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Nokia plus windows is actually the greatest tech fail so far.
And it will stay that way at least until their first WP8 products reach mass market.

Now before Nokia fanboys from india and pakistan start lashing out on me, the rest can have a look at some raw figures:

Nokia sold about 1.5 million WP phones in Q4 2011 (and about 2million in Q1 of this year)
Nokia n9 alone sold almost 1 million, despite of very limited market availability.
At the same time, Nokia Symbian phones sold over 15 million( a large portion of that are still an old fashion hardware keyboard candybar phones actually).
And at the same time, HTC and Samsung WP phones won most of their comparisons against Lumias.

Now, looking ahead, we see a Lumia 900, which is a 170 grams of outdated(we're talking an inferior hardware than some year old androids) hardware, representing Nokia's best against phones such as HTC OneX, Xperia Ion, Galaxy S3, LG Optimus 4, Huawei Ascend Quad...and we see only HTC giving another shot at WP, out of all other major manufacturers.

In October, WP8 should start selling, and it looks like a great promise for tablets..but on phones, it will still be that same metro UI, unable to run desktop apps(even if it will be, what's the point of running a desktop app on a phone??)
Oh and there's also an Iphone 5 with IOS 6 craze going on!

I see a VERY tough year for Nokia and WP..

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 16:26 1

31. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


Nokia Lumia 900 looks incredible. That right there is an example of a beautiful device. Simply art.
Great job, Nokia.
Android and WP are both incredible operating systems, and the only ones that I really support.

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 17:45

33. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1058; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


The windows 8 Smart phones with duel core CPU's ,NFC, High def screens and other
high end built in technology are the smart Phones that will finally make Windows smart phones worth looking at to many People because no one will ever again say Microsoft
Windows smart phones are low tech Smart phones that are not as good as the best Android Smart phones or an Apple Iphone. Windows smart Pones will be then able to hold their Own against the best and be worth buying. They will sell more Windows smart phones because they will have what it takes to be worth buying especially if they are moderately priced.

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 19:35

34. beelzebug07 (Posts: 9; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)


Imo if someone is looking for a high-end smartphone, he/she should get android.. For mid to low range, wp is the best option as they are much better than mid range android phones..

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 19:36

35. beelzebug07 (Posts: 9; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)


Imo if someone is looking for a high-end smartphone, he/she should get android.. For mid to low range, wp is the best option as they are much better than mid range android phones..

posted on 29 Mar 2012, 19:36

36. beelzebug07 (Posts: 9; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)


Imo if someone is looking for a high-end smartphone, he/she should get android.. For mid to low range, wp is the best option as they are much better than mid range android phones..

posted on 02 Apr 2012, 09:24

40. jack1059 (Posts: 72; Member since: 31 Mar 2012)


Microsoft and Nokia are putting in a lot of effort? Not really. Microsoft bought Nokia essentially. Microsoft sits back while Nokia does all the work. Lets call a spade a spade here.

posted on 05 Apr 2012, 06:58

41. megabok (banned) (Posts: 58; Member since: 03 Apr 2012)


nokia is already a fail. windows is not so amazing either. go figure.

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