No LTE LG Nexus 4 brings Google back to its roots
0. phoneArena 29 Oct 2012, 15:24 posted on
One of the first things that people may notice about the new LG Nexus 4 is that despite its suite of powerhouse features, there is not LTE model. At first, we thought this could be just because Google was only announcing the version that was going to launch in the Google Play Store, and not the variant for certain carriers...
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51. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
so tha haters here have An ipods and still hate Apple... so ahah right back
61. jan25 (Posts: 442; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)
what you don't see is this, iPhone is a huge seller, so Apple lays down the rules for the carrier. the Nexus? not so much. Google and carriers don't go together. Nexus with that price point (due to lack of LTE) will reach more people.. way greater market than that of expensive LTE flagships. the extra bonus is carriers not ruining the Nexus program by delaying updates and putting bloatware. Google had LTE in their previous Nexus when the iPhone was a year late. it could've included LTE in their new device but their strategy with Nexus program has changed. you want LTE? you got plenty of other Android options.
50. smdude7 (Posts: 1; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
This sucks. There is no other way to paint it. Anyone who says otherwise is a shameless Google fanboy. LTE is friggin' awesome, 4-10x faster than HSPA where I live and no battery issues whatsoever. It shows just how arrogant Google has become that they would even put their name on this.
78. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1317; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
There is no need to be a shameless Google fanboy to not care about LTE.
A big group of the commenters in PA live in places where there is no LTE, probably the mayority, so we don't care about it. And we care even less if that means Google selling a premium phone for the price of a mid-rage one with fast OS updates.
You want LTE? You still have tons of options in the Android World, but let the Nexus be free from carriers demands. If you don't get that , you don't really get what a Nexus device should be (at least in my opinion).
In other words, if the choice is LTE or freedom: I take freedom every day.
82. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
You said it yourself "where I live", that's the whole point. You may be in a place where LTE is great, but a lot of people don't. I live in Boston, and depending on where you are in the city HSPA+ can be just as fast if not faster than LTE.
And that's the whole point, LTE is a great option, but it's not the standard yet.
84. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
And there's the dozens of national independant speed tests that prove that HSPA+ 42 is just as fast as LTE in real world testing.
The only benefit of LTE, better bandwith usage, wont even been felt until 2 things happen
1) LTE becomes the norm
2) companies move to LTE-A and use it for voice calls as well.
Until then, LTE holds very very few real world advantages over HSPA+.
However, until that happens HSPA+42 holds the bandwith advantage, the battery usage advantage, and is just as fast.
Oh yea, and HSPA+ is available in way way way more communities worldwide than LTE.
52. 8logic (Posts: 132; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
I'm on tmo so I wouldn't get Lte for a while, so I don't mind.
53. jan25 (Posts: 442; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)
this Nexus might not do as good as previous Nexus phones in the US, but it will definitely establish a huge fan-base world wide with that price and those features (excluding LTE which is pointless to those markets). it's a great step by Google that had to be made.
54. bubbadoes (Posts: 567; Member since: 03 May 2012)
Dead on arrival without Lte..after you have been on Lte...3g seems antiquated. Its like going back to analog tv after watching 1080p blueray...unacceptable launch by google and Lg. specs are almost identical to the s3...no contender. We bashed apple for not putting lte on the 4s., now here comes google doing the same
73. Nil_Einne (Posts: 4; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Eh? The Nexus 4 has a significantly faster processor. Remember it may be a quad core but it's a Krait which is the Qualcomm equivalent of the ARM A15. As Windows 8 and the iPhone have shown a dualcore A15 is enough to compete with the quadcore A9 of the S3. And the Adreno 320 GPU is also a lot better then the Mali-400MP according to most benchmarks. The Nexus 4 also has double the RAM. And while not really a spec, it's far cheaper then the S3. If you're saying the specs are almost identical, it sounds like you don't know how to read a spec sheet.
Considering the price of the iPhone 4S, you can perhaps question Apple for not putting LTE on the 4S. (And let's not forget the original iPhone didn't even have 3G something which many handsets had had for a long time, even cheap ones.) But plenty of people still don't have LTE and contrary to some perception (such as by Apple who only added 900mhz 3G support to the iPhone with the iPhone 4), the US is not the only country who uses mobiles. But the Nexus 4 is clearly not targetting the same market but a lower end one.
76. Nil_Einne (Posts: 4; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
I think my other comment is broken but apologise if this is a double post.
I should perhaps clarify that I'm not saying the Krait is an A15 simply that it's equivalent generation and performance target. The comment on A9 vs A15 was intended to illustrate the point since it's perhaps something more familiar particularly given the iPhone. (Although checking carefully, most of the Windows 8 phones use a dual core krait rather then an A15, I guess this isn't surprising given developmental time frames, I should have checked more carefully before commenting.)
BTW in case there is any doubt, the benchmarks bear this out. In single threaded apps the Krait blows away Samsung S3, with somewhat multithreaded ones a dual core Krait is usually more then able to compete on performance with a quad core A9. Of course the performance different isn't great enough that it's always able to compete with extremely threaded ones. In any case since we're talking a quadcore Krait vs a quadcore A9 the comparison is moot, the Nexus 4 is significantly better.
Of course few people buy a phone to benchmark but the advantage in app performance & responsiveness and in battery life should be there. (I do hope Google have done something to improve on the browser performance though compared to the LG Optimus G.) Either way my point remains true. If you think the Nexus 4 specs are almost the same as the Nexus 4 you either read the wrong spec sheet or you perhaps don't understand specs well enough to comment on them. (I'm not saying the specs are the most important thing ever, simply if you are going to discuss them, you need to be fair and the Nexus 4 specs are significantly better in a number of key areas then the S3. As what started this discussion, the Nexus 4 does of course lack LTE and also lacks microSD and a removable battery and comes with smaller flash capacities (and there's also the LCD vs AMOLED). I'm not suggesting the Nexus 4 destroys the S3 in specs.
Again, you have to consider price and from that target market, it seems clear that Google is trying to push down the high end phone market price. Realisticly the Nexus 4 is competing more with the S2 then the S3 which makes it look even better IMO. Apple may be able to command a premium but if I was Samsung I would be worried and wouldn't be counting on LTE to save me.
In any case, it all good for consumers. If LTE is really that important to you, so be it, but there is surely a large target market for the Nexus 4 since there are many, many non LTE phones (including many S3s) sold every day. Now if only Google would getting their sales sorted out and expand direct sales to the plenty of places they currently miss.
83. Nil_Einne (Posts: 4; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Whoops, final post I promise! I just realised the A6 is almost definitely not actually an A15 derived but most likely like the Krait i.e. of around the same generation and target performance as an A15 but a semi-independent design. (Although some suggest it's just a highly refined A9 but this seems unlikely to me from what I've read. Apple of course hasn't confirmed much.) Either way apologies for any confusion, I was mislead by some earlier rumours and never cared enough to read in depth. I think it does still demonstrate that saying the CPUs are the same just because they're both quad cores and clocked about the same doesn't work. I was of course thinking of the international version of the S3, I semi forgot Samsung was doing the confusing thing with quite different specs for the same brand-model phone. But even for the US version (and let's not forget as I said earlier, there's a big world outside the US), while the RAM is the same the CPU is worse (dual vs quad so anything sufficiently multithreaded will be worse) and even more so the GPU so specs are still hardly about the same. I.E. even if they were the same price it doesn't seem so clear cut which one is better (do you want LTE, removable battery, SD; or quad core and better GPU?)
55. bubbadoes (Posts: 567; Member since: 03 May 2012)
Gallitoking that is the first thumbs up i ever gave you....your statement is CORRECT 38
57. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
thank you sorry about my grammar issues
59. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Much as I would love to see this device on Verizon, I also can't argue with Google's logic. The Nexus program works when Google takes control of all updates. Verizon GNex customers should not have waited AT ALL for a Jellybean update, but at heart it was a Verizon phone under Verizon's control. If Google were selling a Nexus on Verizon, AT&T and Sprint without LTE, it would be a fiasco. Instead, they're releasing the phone without carrier compromises. Bad for VZW customers like me (and the majority of US customers for that matter), but good for the Nexus brand.
60. alouden (Posts: 319; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Yeah, as a Verizon customer wanting a Nexus, I do not blame Google for their decision. I'm glad they stood their ground with Verizon.
63. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
We'll still get great phones like the Optimus G (or Blaze or whatever they call it) and HTC DNA (or whatever). They won't be stock Android, but the Razr lineup is fairly close to stock anyhow. Verizon and stock just aren't in the cards.
81. alouden (Posts: 319; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Hopefully the just released Spectrum 2 will not be the extent of Verizon's LG offering.
67. MorePhonesThanNeeded (Posts: 645; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Google decided not to release the G Nexus 4 with LTE is still a strange choice but understandable when concerning Verizon, but what about Sprint and Metro, those guys are as powerful as VZW and honestly LTE and the SnapDragon Quad go together like peanut butter and jelly, it's Qualcomm guys. I truly hope that carriers get relegated down to just being dumb pipes who just offer you services, them having all this power over the phones built for the network is trash, I am paying you for your services, you didn't build the phone so you shouldn't have control over what I install on it for my personal use as long as I abide by your arbitrary TOU, there should be absolutely no problem what software my phone uses.
Keep it up Google, soon the masses will just shop on a phone performance basis(what you like in the phone) as opposed to which network has which phone. I am still with VZW but depending on what happens with my upgrade will tell whether I stay with them or move onto a network where I don't have to get raped for high speed data(which is clearly utter BS). That sucks so bad that you have to pay a premium for faster data in limited quantities on bloody empty ass data network...wtf kind of stupid mess is that?
68. Robottoe (Posts: 12; Member since: 21 May 2012)
No LTE? well that doesn't matter to me as far as I know only in America has all these LTE and carrier problems....in Asia we mostly buy unlocked phones and we don't have stable LTE network and for the price for this phone with its specs, its gonna sale like hotcakes outside of America, definitely gonna replace my GSM Gnexus with this...
71. Skabones (Posts: 3; Member since: 15 Oct 2012)
*looks at the single tower in this rural area, which is owned by Verizon*
77. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)
make sense... google is right!! LTE is still not worldwide.. in my place only 2 cities are LTE enable!!!
3G/3.5G/4G is ok!
79. COLAPSEDLUNGMAN (Posts: 16; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Almost cryed when I read no LTE... I've been looking forward to this launch for so long, and this just ruined everything. I understand Google's reasoning but I feel they underestimate LTE... It's literally everywhere I go, and even if it wasn't they should be making a phone for what the market WILL be not what the market is right now. Verizon just spent 3.9 Billion on spectrum and in less than a year LTE will be everywhere CDMA is in the U.S. which is everywhere. This will cost Google more sales than they realize.