Nexus Prime: what we know, and what we don't as of Oct. 7
0. phoneArena 07 Oct 2011, 10:24 posted on
As the chips continue to fall into place, we want to gather it all up to cover what has been confirmed, what's still just rumor, and what is probably completely false when it comes to the Nexus Prime...
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57. MetalPhoenix79 (Posts: 8; Member since: 22 May 2011)
Sorry, I need to rant here and will probably be flamed.
How exactly is a better ppi than the retina display make it horrible? Especially considering we haven't even seen it. It could be worse it could be better. Maybe a blurry cam picture of the phone before we judge. (sarcasm)
How exactly is ICS rushed? That is a rumor at best. So, the Prime gets released October or November at the earliest and this is a rush job compared to the previous Nexus phones which were release in December and early January. Doesn't add up. Also, we keep hearing how Google wants to have the Prime compete with the iphone 5 head to head. When did this start? I understand Google competes with Apple.
It has one (I said one) of the latest dual-core processors but it's not the latest and greatest so what is the point of buying this phone. Can we be a little realistic? ICS is supposed to take full advantage of dual-core. Not to mention, right now Verizon has zero dual core phones on there network.
Just wait a bit. I can understand hoping for what the phone gets but those of you that are criticizing the processor, screen, or whatever....just move on. It doesn't solve anything.
60. summarizeNotRant (unregistered)
so what is your point? and summarize please!
102. Scourge (Posts: 11; Member since: 27 May 2011)
"Not to mention, right now Verizon has zero dual core phones on there network."
(two weeks away-ish) Droid Bionic?
What Verizon line up have you been looking at?
128. MetalPhoenix79 (Posts: 8; Member since: 22 May 2011)
Meant to say zero dual-cores with LTE.
The point of the rant was to ask people to be objective about something that they have never seen or used. To say it is bad before anyone has experienced it is premature.
59. HELPPLEASE (unregistered)
Does anyone know if the Nexus S on AT&T gets free tethering and Wifi Hotspot? I really want to know. :/
63. ilia1986 (unregistered)
I really respect your position as an objective editor on this site - but I think that it is obvious that whenever Taco, or Miz or Gallitoking talk about iPhone - or about how it's supposedly better than android for that matter - their answer should be answered with:
As for the Nexus prime - here is another thing we know:
4. It's going to kick the iPhone 5's chair absorption part so hard, that the iPhone 5 will be buried deep underground together with all the 500,000+ apps it has covering it.
As for the camera - I really don't think that it'l remain a 5MP. Not that more pixels = better quality - but we are now in 2011. 8MP is a minimum for a late 2011 very high end device.
85. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2696; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Part of being objective is understanding that disagreeing doesn't mean that someone is right and someone is wrong, or that one person is an idiot. Everyone has their opinion. Some opinions may be impervious to reasoning, but that doesn't mean we can't be civil to each other. People will disagree, and people will argue, but flame wars are the worst possible pathway from disagreement. It's a waste of everyone's time, and it's a waste of time for readers who may want to look through comments for interesting conversation.
I know that Taco and Miz will always take the side of Apple, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to converse with them. However, assuming that all those conversations will devolve into a flame war will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
90. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Well, the thing is that coversation on this website revolves around phones - and their unique qualities and features. Sooner or later, a debate starts whether phone X is better in a certain aspect than phone Y.
However, as the past shows countless times - taco, miz, and to a significantly lesser extent gallitoking, not only take the side of Apple in these sorts of debates - but essentially in every argument possible - while on their behalf - most of the time not providing any reasonable arguments whatsoever as to why their opinion is such and such. Thus, a flame-war is ensued as the majority of people here - are rational thinkers - and cannot help themselves as to idly stand versus people who would probably go as far as saying that black is white if Apple declared it so.
It goes to very ridiculous heights, as you have probably seen - that in some circumstances these aforementioned individuals would state things which by the majority of the posters are interpreted as complete lunacy - as shown by the amount of thumbs down they regularly receive.
It is my sincere theory that these individuals in most cases are not interested in anything but gathering attention to themselves. However, we must be thankful to one certain individual called Sniggly, whom you undoubtedly know - who manages to reason with them in a civil and relatively respectful manner.
In conclusion - it is fine to prefer one side in this war (Apple Vs Android) over the other - as long as one makes reasonable arguments which do not defy logic on said debate, and does not go as far as zealously defending their phone (for example - claiming that a SuperAmoled HD display is not worthy of at least mentioning as an extraordinary feature, if not of excitement).
93. wumberpeb (Posts: 453; Member since: 14 Mar 2011)
As much as I agree with nearly 100% of what you're saying, you sound a bit whiny. Miz, Taco and Gemini aren't going away anytime soon
94. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Yeah, well you see, wumberpeb - I believe that a lot of people are browsing this site - reading these articles. In my home country - iPhone is much much much more popular than Android. All the local apps are written to iOS first, and to Android second, if at all. I intend to change all that - by arguing that Android is better than iPhone - but here come those aforementioned individuals - and because they post everywhere stuff like "Android is force close lol" and such - people actually infer from that that iOS is stable, while Android is very buggy. I own an iPhone 4, but even after watching several youtube videos, I can say that this is not the case. Far from it, in fact.
I am simply tired of a lot of people talking about iPhone and Apple as the holy grail which does not have any flaws, thus prompting more and more people to think this way.
iPhone's marketing secret is not so much it's marketing team - but the hordes of those "iSheep" who will always support it no matter what.
97. wumberpeb (Posts: 453; Member since: 14 Mar 2011)
I completely agree with you ilia, regarding Apple and their "Garden of Eden" mentality they push forth onto the masses. There's no doubt that Apple and their brilliant advertising put forth a hint of smug, better-than-everyone vibe. I applaud your idea to change people's minds, but I strongly believe that 3 people (Miz, Taco and Gemini), on a website where the majority of posters support Android, couldn't possibly have more influence than the greater majority. The blame doesn't fall on their shoulders...
If you'd like to sway the majority's thinking, then great. I just don't believe there's much you can do to counteract a powerful (and national) advertising campaign. I stick to my original statement
115. ilia1986 (unregistered)
I hope you're right then. Yes, I also think that no matter what rational individuals say - the iSheep will always prevail with their unbeatable logic of "Apple is teh best!!1".
123. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i dont really know that the "majority" of people on the site are pro-android. I'd say its a pretty healthy split. The problem probably lies in the fact that many iOS people dont speak up because they see blathering idiots like taco and miz dirtying up any logical arguement they may have to make about something. If anything, the iOS side of the fence needs to take care of their own team and keep them in check so any rational counter arguements can be better heard.
There are a lot of us that are actually respectful to multiple opinions but we get pushed by the Taco-Miz-gemini-gallito lunacy to counter act them.
A great example of that would be on the Steve Jobs picture thread. Gemini and them came out yacking about how disrespectful the android regulars were being to steve jobs' health, but if u read the comments there was almost none of that. In fact most came out for Jobs' right to privacy. They were just trying to encite a flame war.
92. firebo14 (Posts: 77; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Well said, and that vid is awesome. They really are iphone trolling slaves. They wont accept the fact there are better phones than iphone.
124. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Its not even about "better phones". Everyone has a preference. Its about beeing completely blind to anything but the positives of "your side" of the fence, and therefore everyone else must be wrong at all times.
75. ChiquiKon (Posts: 58; Member since: 26 Jul 2011)
Here we go again o_O Oh well, it doesn' t surprise me anymore.....
Again: the absurd logic of comparing the sales of one phone (iPhone) VS the sales of an OS (Android) with phones for everybody on virtually any budget and on more networks sooner that the iPhone..... Oh Yes, it might be because Android understands that we are all different, with different needs.
The iPhone is a great device but I don' t see this endless fight over which one is better, the iPhone or all the phones on Android, (that for some reason some iPhone users assume that all Android devices have lots of problems, which would be as absurd as be me saying that ALL iPhone users have experience the grip of death)
125. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
bad logic. its iOS vs Android not phone vs OS. There are multiple iPhones for sale. The 3GS still sells as much as the i4. It has been 50 bux for quite a while and now its free, so there is an iOS for every budget as well.
79. Lwazi_N (Posts: 205; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
What do you guys know about the iPhone5? Busy talking about what it will or won't have while y'all have seen nothing- not a damn picture.
80. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Well - we know it's going to have an A5 dual core 1GHZ processor.
Why? Because that's the latest Apple got from Samsung - on the iPad 2 - and then - the whole Samsung-Apple relationship exploded, thanks to Apple - and Apple would not have had enough time to develop anything by itself - ot buy something else - by now.
We also know the display resolution won't change - since it's too early to change it. Seeing as there is only one phone, and all those devs behind 500,000 apps will need to change all their apps again - just a year and a half after changing them in 2010.
And because of this - we know that the display will not be larger than 4". Anything larger - and it's no longer 300+ DPI.
Oh, and let's not forget one tiiiiiiiny detail - we already know what the software will be like - BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL SEEN IOS 5, AND IT'S LACK OF FURTHER USER CUSTOMIZATION IN THE FORM OF WIDGETS, AND OTHER FEATURES. Unlike even iOS4 which introduced home screen wallpapers, and folders, might I add.
111. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
wow .. u know more about Apple than most of us.. for being an Apple hater you do not "know" a lot.... google for me.. hypocrite can u please....
116. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Yet another useless baseless argument from an iSheep. Care to respond with something that actually contradicts my post? I mean - besides "Apple is zeh best and they got 5GHZ A7 processor lolz".
127. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
iOS4 which introduced android 1.5 ultralite in the form of wallpapers and folders.
iOS5 which introduces android 1.6 budget, which adds widgets and notifications.
iOS6 which will introduce android 2.2 full! Live backgrounds and wifi calling!
129. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Afraid, I'm gonna have to correct you there remixfa - widgets were introduced in 1.5
1.5 was released in 30 April 2009. Even as of 30 August 2011 Apple does not have them.
iOS 6 will probably introduce 1.6 Voice search lol.
131. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
oh, i know it did, but android has had widgets since birth, so i was just going back to the first "major" android upgrade.
i didnt think it would be right to have to go the whole way back to android 0.5 (a guess lol) since no one had it. :)
134. ilia1986 (unregistered)
What really gets me is that a widget layer already exists in Mac OSX! Sure, it would have to be implemented differently here, Android-style - but nevertheless - Apple simply has no excuse for not changing the homescreen layout since iOS 1.0..
135. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
give proof of what your saying is true.. dont give your opinion.. give me facts of your comments...I want the facts of the specs of the iphone5 ...
137. ilia1986 (unregistered)
These WERE facts, you ignorant iSheep, lol. Give me one reason why any of this might not be true.
126. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
he cant, he doesnt actually OWN an iphone. lol. hes a fake wannabe iSheep.
maybe that explains taco and miz too?
136. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
dude is that all you got against me.. jajajjaa.. ok you already said that.. is that all you got to move on.... no you dont.... thats what I thought...
138. ilia1986 (unregistered)
He doesn't have to say anything - your irrational babbling makes for one huge argument in his favor all by itself.
144. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i try to give gallito the benefit of the doubt with his babbling because im pretty sure he is speaking a second language. the jajaja thing give his spanish roots away.
Even with that he still rarely says anything of merrit. lolz.
152. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
wow.. because you have no more argument.. u attack my race... it shows how ignorant to think you have to be born in the US to be able to have a solid argument... i am so done with you.. i can tolerate ignorance.. but you are ignorant and a racist.. punk.. will never even acknowledge your comments ever... later...
153. ilia1986 (unregistered)
You are wrong, gallitoking. I was born in Russia, and live in Israel - and have a solid argument.
You, on the other hand - do not.
157. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
at what point did race come up? at what point did I say anything racist? a little sensitive arent we? quit pouting like a spoiled child. I have friends that use the jajaja instead of LoL which is how i know its spanish. I was pointing it out for anyone on the boards who didnt know that and was instead thinking your primary language was english and thought u were just randomly babbling.
did i at any point make fun of a spanish heritage? Hell, I dont even know which of the many spanish countries you hail from so how could I even if i wanted to? Only a dillhole thinks all spanish speaking countries are the same.. just like people that think all english speaking countries are the same.
good lord. people that get that offended over nothing are like the people that scream everyone is a racist that didnt vote for obama. chill out.
ilia is right. its not about heritage, its about having a POINT. which you have not had a point this in this entire thread.
82. GeckoHA559 (Posts: 47; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
One thing for sure in this article is that, that optimus prime android picture is quite cool!
86. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
ANDROIDS TRANSFORM AND ROLL OUT!
101. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)
Iphone users are DWEEBS...LACK SMARTS IN SO MANY WAYS....
105. lemenade (Posts: 31; Member since: 28 Jul 2011)
i personally would wait for the OMAP 4470 chip if it means better quality
113. saiko (unregistered)
oh the flame wars ^_^
117. somepeople (unregistered)
To all isheep-
Android os is not good? but it seems like apple copies a lot of things from android and put into new ios 5 beta!
"2011:years of copycats?"
Yes.That's true.Apple is saying itself.
148. ltr (unregistered)
latest rumor, I heard somewhere.
The camera might be 10-12mp, with xenon flash
162. theo14461 (Posts: 314; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Running on T-Mobile's network is a total deal breaker for me. Not good enough building reception :(
163. paynekiller (Posts: 139; Member since: 24 May 2010)
gosh I really hope it isn't as big as 4.7 inches. I have owned an EVO since it's release and I think it's at the upper limit of my comfort zone. 4.5" screens look oversized to me. And 4.0" screens seem like the generally accepted average so I'm just hoping the phone isn't monstrous in size.
168. Sinaps (Posts: 60; Member since: 27 Jul 2010)
Its either this or the samsung galaxy note! Verizon DO NOT LET ME DOWN.
170. Jank James (unregistered)
Im quietly waiting for the nexus prime.
I can already smell the iphone sheep ready to troll..
174. hooher tod (unregistered)
Yes there should realize the reader to RSS my feed to RSS commentary, quite simply
178. sudhar131998 (Posts: 63; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)
till i know apple iphone 4 is only good for its screen, camera, accessories, market and battery life and it sucks in everything else like you cant transfer a song to another phone can you? maybe it is just possible if you have downloaded a special kind of app though i am still not sure if there is a app like that . the apps in the market sometimes are really a trouble to download because of its size if you have a lower internet speed . its internet speed sucks and iphone 4 doesnt even have a basic sim card support , they also copy android for the notifications bar in ios 5 and this time someone or the other will surely sue them in something or the other . This year the most worst problem of all it is the magsafe wire for the latest products , who knows the 31pin dock is going to be replaced or not.
181. ltr (unregistered)
Latest rumor is .....
HD radio or something. I just realized with all the apps android has, Pandora, Slacker and some others, there is no HD radio at all.
I use slacker, my FM radio, or my playlist.
182. jdprime (unregistered)
More trolling on here than on /b/ bahahahahahah
185. gwendlynette (Posts: 5; Member since: 11 Jun 2011)
I hope the rumors of the Nexus Prime not coming to VERIZON aren't true! I've been due for an upgrade since July and I was disappointed when they passed on the Samsung Galaxy S2 but, in my opinion this phone is better and I didn't mind waiting a little longer! So if they dont get this one, I just may have to take my business elsewhere!
186. ltr (unregistered)
Its actually already been mentioned. Some type of brushed metal body, less plastic. Which kinda worries me, because of signal strength.
Maybe they can learn something from the HTC legend, a GSM phone which used a unibody aluminum.
188. frustyak (Posts: 205; Member since: 08 Mar 2010)
'Nexus Prime' - sounds like something from a Halo game.
193. Alantef (Posts: 288; Member since: 14 Sep 2011)
thanks for saying it will be on t mobile because i'm holding the f**k out for this bad ass mother f**ka #samuel l jackson voice
194. Mooooo (Posts: 212; Member since: 27 Aug 2011)
I have said this and I will say it again
"Oh I like it"
* Money ready for at least 2 of these...
195. Alantef (Posts: 288; Member since: 14 Sep 2011)
lol this was posted only 30mins ago and already around 200 comments mostly people arguing....ios fans shut the f**k up....i mean seroiuly why even comment?...you dont have a phone on the market right now to go up with this phone and you know it....iPhone 5 this..iPhone 5 that...ITS NOT OUT YET!!! you might as well start talking about the iPhone 6....be real with yourself...miz, taco, and gallito your all bitches now shut the f**k up and buy the iPhone 4s and have fun with it and leave android alone til the 5 comes out.....come f**k with us then.....
197. willardcw4 (Posts: 169; Member since: 01 Oct 2011)
This post was updated from a previous post... look at the dates of the first like 8 or 9 pages... they are from August...
200. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2696; Member since: 26 May 2011)
It's an updated story from last month actually. Not even our readers are that rabid.