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Nexus 5 performance review: the tale of benchmarks

0. phoneArena 05 Nov 2013, 08:19 posted on

The Nexus 5 has arrived and it is a powerhouse sold for nearly half the price of its rivals. Just how good it is? It’s time to push its limits with benchmarks and see whether it can hold…

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posted on 05 Nov 2013, 08:35 15

1. zekes (Posts: 206; Member since: 14 Aug 2012)


Damn the iPhone is the big lilltle beast

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 10:40 6

35. noler (Posts: 164; Member since: 19 Aug 2013)


I think a lot of crying will be here.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 14:55 2

61. brrunopt (Posts: 452; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


Except is not.. Those CPU "benchs" (not sure you can call them that since they are sh*t) are single core , the iPhone beeing a dual core has a huge advantage...

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posted on 05 Nov 2013, 15:00 3

63. brrunopt (Posts: 452; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


Geekbench Multicore:

Apple A7 (ipad Air) - 2,782
S800 (Note 3) - ~ 3000
S800 (Note 3) - ~ 2800

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 16:53 2

66. rd_nest (Posts: 735; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


+1

PA like all other so-called reviewers are simply ignorant to use Javascripts benchmarks as CU benchmarks. Most of these are largely single-threaded benchs and highly dependent on software instead of actual CPU performance.
Just look at recent Android phones - Note 3, G2, XZ1 and N5. All these have different SunSpider scores even though they use the exact same CPU. All it means who optimizes best for Javascript wins the race.

Moral of the story: All PA editors (and most so-called reviewers) are bunch of idiots.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 18:19

73. darkkjedii (Posts: 10306; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


You mad bro? Here I'll let you play with my 5S, that'll make you feel better.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 19:04 1

77. brrunopt (Posts: 452; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


"argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument"

posted on 06 Nov 2013, 06:54 1

93. Smokin (Posts: 120; Member since: 10 Oct 2013)


LOL the resolution is only half of Note 3 and the gang lol. It's not even HD

posted on 14 Nov 2013, 13:45

96. kmaheynoway (Posts: 4; Member since: 14 Nov 2013)


Unless I am misunderstanding you, I must conclude you're an under-informed iphone/samsung lover. The nexus five has a 1920x1080 display (441ppi,) HD is considered 1080x720.

posted on 14 Nov 2013, 19:51

100. Paximos (Posts: 53; Member since: 26 Jul 2012)


He's been smokin...

posted on 22 Nov 2013, 05:28

103. Smokin (Posts: 120; Member since: 10 Oct 2013)


i'm talkin bout the iphone.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 08:35 3

2. SAYED-EJAZ (Posts: 220; Member since: 10 Oct 2013)


Apple in GFXBench :o

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 14:57 3

62. brrunopt (Posts: 452; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


do you even know what the "FILL RATE" means ? it won't translate to actual performance,..

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 16:49 3

65. rd_nest (Posts: 735; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


On-screen? do you understand the difference between on-screen and off-screen?
Fill-rate? It's a low level test and everyone knows the PowerVR uses tile-based rendering and has massive fill rates compared to other architectures. That doesn't mean sh!t in actual performance.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 08:36 7

3. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 2999; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


I'll get one the day Google treats every country equal (on pricing).

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 17:22

67. lifeyourlive (Posts: 126; Member since: 23 Aug 2013)


Wow very nicely said!

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 08:37 4

4. Qbancelli (Posts: 60; Member since: 11 Mar 2010)


I'm convinced the main reason for this article was to show the iphone's superiority.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 08:49 4

9. alterecho (Posts: 1072; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


The article reads:"Nexus 5 performance review"
iPhone release date:September 2013
Nexus 5 release date:November 2013

Its logical to spotlight the newer Nexus 5's performance compared to the phones already in market.
You want the iPhone 5s to be left out of the benchmarks since it beats Nexus 5 and every other phone except on one test?

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 08:52 1

11. rusticguy (Posts: 2826; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Why not include 5C also ?

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 09:18 6

21. Ninetysix (Posts: 1459; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


You can if you're smart enough to do it. Hopefully you can figure it out.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 09:29 1

22. alterecho (Posts: 1072; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


I didn't write this article, but if you would like to see it, theres a dropdown, below each benchmark. You can include the 5 (5C) from there.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 08:51

10. rusticguy (Posts: 2826; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Ancel Keys did the same thing when he proved FAT is bad for heart ... this is called "Cherry Picking"

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 11:18 2

42. jove39 (Posts: 1261; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


A7 soc in iPhone5s is undoubtedly most powerful arm soc with v8 instruction-set...except exynos 5420...And I have ordered N5...can't wait for it...but I respect work apple engineers have done for A7.

posted on 14 Nov 2013, 13:48

97. kmaheynoway (Posts: 4; Member since: 14 Nov 2013)


What gives the leg up to the iPhone processor is that everything is highly optimized, and it has a 64 bit processor. With android, nothing is optimized really, because not a single manufacturer makes the phones. iPhones are only made by apple and only run their os giving them the ability to optimize the phone to it's max potential, unlike with android. I am an android fanboy, don't get me wrong, but apple definitely has it's strings together.

posted on 21 Nov 2013, 12:27

102. conix67 (Posts: 1; Member since: 21 Nov 2013)


Each Android phone manufacturer has a chance to optimize theirs as well, that itself isn't the limiting factor. Let alone optimization, they are struggling to provide OS updates. These companies want to make money, while spending the least possible, that's all.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 08:42 2

5. alterecho (Posts: 1072; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


Thats a nice showing by Apple in all except one of the benchmarks.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 09:08 12

18. tech2 (Posts: 1859; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


True. But Nexus 5 is almost equivalent's to iPhone5s' performance at half the price..............so no complains here !

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 09:33 4

23. alterecho (Posts: 1072; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


Some of the benchmarks show the iPhone 5S to be considerably faster than the rest.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 09:43 5

26. tech2 (Posts: 1859; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


I see no benchmark in which Iphone scores significantly higher score apart from the screen benchmarks......and we both know why iphones performs better in them

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 10:17 1

33. alterecho (Posts: 1072; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


Sunspider and GFXBench fillrate offscreen.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 11:31 9

47. Taters (Posts: 2649; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


The only reason Apple wins in sun spider is because of safari and iOS 7. Scratch that, because of safari. Run sunspider using an actually fair method, such as eliminating variables by using the same browser, the iPhone 5 gets smoked. Chrome and puffin are available on both platforms. Run sunspider on chrome for both and watch Apple's benchmark superiority completely evaporate.

In fact, someone should port iOS 7 on the Nexus 5 and watch the Nexus 5 crush the iPhone 5s. Or port kit kart on the iPhone 5s and watch it bench lower than even the lowly nexus 4.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 12:04 4

51. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)


It's cheating because Safari is faster than any other browser around? There is no "equal" comparison possible here. Chrome for the iPhone is different than Chrome for Android. You have to just test the fastest browser available.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 12:28 6

54. Taters (Posts: 2649; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


There is no perfect comparison in this world that exists but statistics and science dictate that you need to eliminate confounding variables as much as possible.

And in the case of completely different operating systems. Chrome vs chrome or puffin vs puffin is the closest you can get to being fair. Not comparing super fast and light safari to super bloated and slow chrome.

As you can see in a more fair and controlled environment, the Nexus 5 smokes the 5s like it should, considering it has way more ram, cores, etc.

And using chrome for JavaScript is not the fastest browser available. Ocean browser, dolphin, or boat are all way better than chrome.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 12:10 1

52. alterecho (Posts: 1072; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


I really don't get why its hard for some people to just accept the fact that the iPhone 5S is a phenomenal performer, currently, instead finding a way to dispute the actual, evidence backed, facts.

"The only reason Apple wins in sun spider is because of safari and iOS 7. "
Thats cheating? Safari is abrowser like any other and iOS is an operating system.

Maybe you are finding it difficult that a dual core 1 gig phone is besting all the other quad core multi-gigs phone.
The fact is, the Apple's A7 processor is well designed. I'm not going to say that 64 bit processor is the reason. To my knowledge its a marketing gimmick. But the A7 really is very very fast, 32-bit or 64-bit. that combined with the top to bottom optimized iOS, provides those amazing benchmarks. Thats something only Apple could pull off, since they control both the hardware and software.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 12:30 7

55. Taters (Posts: 2649; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


That is not very good evidence plain and simple. It is Apple and it's fans cherry picking results. It is similar to high lighting your strengths in an article and ignoring your weaknesses.

Apple is the master of deception and it seems like the itards have bought it hook line and sinker.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 13:04 1

59. alterecho (Posts: 1072; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"That is not very good evidence plain and simple"
Expected answer from someone who find it hard to accept the facts or hate seeing their choice taking second place.

" It is Apple and it's fans cherry picking results"
Evidence? As far as I can see, these are standard benchmarks used in the industry.

"It is similar to high lighting your strengths in an article and ignoring your weaknesses."
May I know what these strengths and weaknesses are?

"Apple is the master of deception"
Read the disclaimer at the start of the article.

"seems like the itards have bought it hook line and sinker."
As opposed to the retards who find it difficult to live with facts and want everyone to like their choice.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 18:21

74. darkkjedii (Posts: 10306; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Sniff sniff...I smell hate.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 19:28

78. alterecho (Posts: 1072; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


From?

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 22:49 2

81. Taters (Posts: 2649; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


You want to see how just badly Apple has their wool over your eyes? Here.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZjurCN521U

I always go by logic and I know when someone is rigging results or not and Apple are the masters of deception, Samsung is not even close.

I hate to break it to you but even a mid range android like the Xperia SP can kill in benchmarks if it ran safari and iOS 7. That is just common sense and nothing more. 2 is greater than 1 and you can't spin that just like Apple can't spin sub 720p, 1gb of ram, small batteries, and dualcores as being superior to full 1080p, 3gb of ram, huge 3000 may battery, and quadcores clocked really high. Those are the facts.

Apple can spin and minimize as much as possible with their sneky methods and cherry picking but yeah. 2 is greater than 1......

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 23:39 1

82. alterecho (Posts: 1072; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"You want to see how just badly Apple has their wool over your eyes? Here....."
That video still didn't say anything about Apple rigging results.

"I always go by logic" - claim.
"and I know when someone is rigging results or not and Apple are the masters of deception, Samsung is not even close." - counter claim

"I hate to break it to you but even a mid range android like the Xperia SP can kill in benchmarks if it ran safari and iOS 7"
My point exactly. iOS is better optimized with its hardware.

"That is just common sense and nothing more"
Yup.

"Apple can't spin 720p, 1gb of ram, small batteries, and dualcores as being superior to full 1080p, 3gb of ram, huge 3000 may battery, and quadcores clocked really high"
Screen - agreed.

RAM - agreed, but iOS can make do with smaller amount of RAM. More Ram is always better, provided the CPU is capable enough.

Batteries - disagree. Apple's iOS devices provide great battery life even with small capacities.

High clocked Quadcores being better - disagree.
It depends on the architecture.
Example 1 - Some Intel dual core processors are better than AMD's higher clocked quad core processors
Example 2 - Even in the Android world, quad core Mediatek processors are no match for Qualcomm dual core.

2 is greater than 1 is good in terms of marketing in the tech world. I even call 64-bit processors a bluff as far as i know.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 23:59 2

83. Taters (Posts: 2649; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


It doesn't matter the architecture, the Nexus 5 has more powerful hardware hands down. It doesn't matter how efficient it is it's still less powerful.

Whether you like a Prius better or a Mustang is irrelevant, I personal rather have a Prius but when you see reports of the Prius beating Mustangs in performance, you KNOW Toyota is rigging it by default.

Just like it is obvious Apple is rigging it by choosing only certain benchmarks and hiding behind iOS and Safari and acting like it's just as intensive as chrome and Android and people like you are buying it.

posted on 06 Nov 2013, 00:37 1

85. alterecho (Posts: 1072; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"It doesn't matter the architecture"
This statement by you right there proves you don't know about processors.

The benchmarks and tests show show the iPhone 5s having better performance and yet, you remain in denial.

"Apple is rigging it by choosing only certain benchmarks"
These aren't benchmarks run by Apple. These benchmarks are chosen by tech sites and run independently by them with no communication with Apple whatsoever. More over, this is a Nexus 5 article, so why would they?

posted on 06 Nov 2013, 00:57 1

87. Taters (Posts: 2649; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


Lol I know plenty about processors, and you obviously do not. Chances are, if the architectures were created at the same time or close to the same generation, 4 cores will beat out 2, period.

It is only in cases where you compare a dual core A15 with a quad core A9, a generational difference, where the architecture makes a big difference and the dual core wins. if they are in the same league and field and generation, quad core is better most of the time and architectures matter very little. And in this case, Apple isn't using anything that far ahead of Qualcomm that would suggest two of their cores could outperform 4 of Qualcomms.

Lol you actually think it is hard for Apple to stage it so they win benchmarks and make themselves look good in the process? It is a form of marketing and it apparently works because you are too dense to see it.

I already explained it to you how the iPhone wins those benchmarks but you just refuse to hear it. I'll explain again. Apple or their fans cherry pick those benchmarks that are high because of THE SOFTWARE, not the hardware or the architecture.

I just posted a video of the Nexus 5 creaming the iPhone 5s in everything with much less optimized software and pushing a lot heavier load. And you are still thinking Apple isn't manipulating anything? Jeez you are dense....

posted on 06 Nov 2013, 01:34 1

89. alterecho (Posts: 1072; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"Chances are, if the architectures were created at the same time or close to the same generation, 4 cores will beat out 2, period."
Only if the architectures are same.

"Lol I know plenty about processors, and you obviously do not."
contradicted by next statement i argued above.

read this:
http://anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/2

The A7 in the iPhone 5S is Apple designed unlike others, where they use qualcomm's designs.

Look at these:
http://anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/5
Some of the benchmarks are Google's too.

If you still claim these are cherrypicked,
Then the video which shows Nexus 5 performing better than ip5s also to be cherry picked.

"Apple or their fans cherry pick those benchmarks that are high because of THE SOFTWARE, not the hardware or the architecture."
First off, there's no cherry picking aking place, second, the hardware strives to provide a fast software experience, and since the software runs fast on the ip5s, that means...

posted on 06 Nov 2013, 01:06 1

88. Taters (Posts: 2649; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


I'll lay it out for you nice and simple. If the Nexus 5, which gets smoked by the iPhone 5s in cherry picked benchmarks, can cream the 5s in real life speed tests ,as the video I posted shows, while at the same time using much less optimized software and pushing a lot more pixels, then you know those benchmarks results are a steaming pile of....

There is no other way to explain it, the Nexus 5 needs much more powerful hardware to be able to pull that off.

posted on 06 Nov 2013, 01:39 1

90. alterecho (Posts: 1072; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"'ll lay it out for you nice and simple. If the Nexus 5, which gets smoked by the iPhone 5s in cherry picked benchmarks"
If the benchmarks are cherry picked, so could the tests in the video, since there are two google softwares being tested with.

"can cream the 5s in real life speed tests"
You make it sound as though the Nexus 5 won all and by a mile.

"There is no other way to explain it, the Nexus 5 needs much more powerful hardware to be able to pull that off."
Exactly.

posted on 06 Nov 2013, 02:04 1

91. Taters (Posts: 2649; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


I give up. You are obviously hitting the Apple koolaid pretty hard.

This is the last thing I'll say on the matter... How does the Nexus 5 beat the iPhone 5s in real life speed tests if it pushes a lot more pixels and a much more intensive operating system without superior hardware? The answer is that iit can't without superior hardware. Which means that the benchmarks that say the 5s is superior are either wrong or Apple is a con artist.

As far as that video being rigged, we'll just do the speed tests yourself and the LG G2 and Nexus 5 will be faster each and every time.

posted on 06 Nov 2013, 02:42 1

92. alterecho (Posts: 1072; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"How does the Nexus 5 beat the iPhone 5s in real life speed tests if it pushes a lot more pixels and a much more intensive operating system without superior hardware? The answer is that iit can't without superior hardware."

I never said the Nexus 5 is slouch. It's a great phone indeed. All I did was, point out iPhone 5S performing terrifically compared to the 'by the numbers' seemingly monster specs of its rivals.

"Which means that the benchmarks that say the 5s is superior are either wrong or Apple is a con artist."
The ip5s has a different architecture and it really is fast. This is the conclusion by reviewers around the web after testing it themselves, and not my words.

"As far as that video being rigged, we'll just do the speed tests yourself and the LG G2 and Nexus 5 will be faster each and every time."

I don't have an iPhone so I can't.

posted on 06 Nov 2013, 00:09 2

84. Taters (Posts: 2649; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


Another trick they pull off well is charging you 3x for the price of a phone and taking credit for great customer service if they replace it once.....

Um itards, you paid for two phones and a warranty that costs as much as a phone already included in your cost, they better replace it.

While another company gets blamed because they can't afford to replace your phone even once because they lost money on the phone already. Neat little trick.

And don't get me started on their imaginary update superiority....

posted on 06 Nov 2013, 00:42 1

86. alterecho (Posts: 1072; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


Yes their products are priced high and I won't say their performance advantage justifies the prices, since i can't judge for others.

As for the other companies though, I've heard horrendous stories of Samsung's after sales services, and I've had some bad experiences with some others.
If they can't replace the phone for no fault of the customer, it's bad.

posted on 14 Nov 2013, 13:57

99. kmaheynoway (Posts: 4; Member since: 14 Nov 2013)


Alright, here goes nothing. In the real world, outside of benchmarks, the phone's performances are nearly identical (I might even go to say the nexus 5 performs better in real life scenarios) it really just boils down to if you prefer android or ios. I mean, 23 frames and 30 frames are indistinguishable from each other in real life performance.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 08:44 3

6. AfterShock (Posts: 2530; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


Big bang, small cost = big deal.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 08:44 5

7. mobi_user (Posts: 105; Member since: 18 Jun 2013)


So much talk about Sapdragon 800 and optimization etc. But does these optimizations and advancement stand anywhere near Apple. They achieve far better results with just dual core.
Andriod it the one thing which needs more optimizations.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 08:46 11

8. TerryCrowley (Posts: 184; Member since: 31 Jul 2011)


The iPhones performance is attributed to it's small, low resolution display.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 08:53 6

12. amanlife249 (Posts: 6; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


Put an iPad mini or and iPad air. The benchmarks are still higher. I don't think display size matter that drastic change which you assume. Have to agree , chip is one beast. Just need a great software to make good use of it.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 08:55 15

14. bloodline (Posts: 691; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


wrong.

posted on 14 Nov 2013, 13:52

98. kmaheynoway (Posts: 4; Member since: 14 Nov 2013)


Have you even looked at the benchmarks... Which ones?

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 08:54 2

13. alpinejason (Posts: 262; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)


that's a part of it but not all of it

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 08:58 1

16. amanlife249 (Posts: 6; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


Agreed a7 is one sexy processor. I agree with woz's saying wish google and apple came together and make a super phone.
A7 chip 5"inch display 1080p android 4.4 optimized by both companies. Touch id iPhone camera will do. And their build quality. And Idc price it 650$.it will be one phone to last half a decade atleast.

posted on 05 Nov 2013, 10:42 4

36. noler (Posts: 164; Member since: 19 Aug 2013)


The iphone 5s is fast because of the A7 + iOS.
A7 + android Will not be so fast.

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