Next generation 20nm mobile processors to break the 3 GHz barrier
0. phoneArena 10 Jul 2013, 02:28 posted on
Just as promised, TSMC, which is likely making Apple A7 chips for the iPhone 5S as we speak, will apparently be ready early next year to start mass production with the new 20nm production method, which will allow ARM-based chips to consume 25% less energy, yet have 30% more performance than the current generation...
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1. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)
Bye bye Intel ;(
11. nlbates66 (Posts: 317; Member since: 15 Aug 2012)
5 GHz from current ARM chips probably doesn't match a 1.7GHz Intel or AMD x86 processor still. (I believe current ARM chips don't beat the latest ATOM even with the exception of graphics performance which is less related to the CPU - if someone has evidence proving otherwise please say so.)
30. TheLolGuy (Posts: 483; Member since: 05 Mar 2013)
Of course ARM doesn't match the maximum performance of x86 processors... I don't think anyone disagreed with that.
The performance per watt is what makes ARM more dangerous. At least so far, it's efficiency isn't matched -- and that's important because a lot more is constantly moving to data servers and power consumption is a key area to cut electricity bill costs, and where customers will look to buy.
If Intel is going to try to become competitive, they're going to have to start dropping more legacy support to trim the watts, but that'll lose them a key defining feature that made them so successful in the first place.
13. FlushGordon (unregistered)
this must be XperiaDroid's second handle
23. ahmed_ali_yossef2010 (Posts: 163; Member since: 26 Jul 2012)
intel baytrail prototype got 43K in the antutu bencmark and it was clocked at just 1.1 GHZ
2. Astian (Posts: 5; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)
Do you think Intel will watch this events from sideline?A no from me ...
4. Adithya7184 (Posts: 317; Member since: 05 Mar 2011)
watch out Intel....3GHz on a smartphone....what the heck????
7. yahoo29 (Posts: 71; Member since: 15 Sep 2012)
OMG, I think those who are thinking that intel will bye bye in this Mobile Processors battle I think all of those who are thinking that intel will bye bye are crazy D*mb, coz even a 1ghz Intel Atom can defeat a 2 core 1ghz cortex a9 proc so I think Intel cant be beaten in this type of battle. except from having LTE.
9. mr.techdude (Posts: 568; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
I reckon if Intel makes a new processor that is 4g capable then they have a winner because theve got the exp, and money to do so. Qualcomm is having a huge comeback witt there 600 and 800 processors, they've acheived that thus year what about next year. Tegra to me is more for multitasking but there slowing down and its not as wow as last year tegra 3 were they broke every processor before it and after it.
10. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
If intel used its 22nm trigate transistor to its mobile proc, this will be nothing,I guess.
12. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3427; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
No one need so much speed actually, upto 2 gigs with dual / quad core is already fast enough to perform every operation
14. FlushGordon (unregistered)
I still believe Intel will prevail at the very end, they have all the resources in the world to outclass everyone else
15. MistB (Posts: 581; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
I'd wager a guess and say likely non-tablet candidates for this will be the Galaxy Note 4/HTC Two Phablet or even the rumored 5.7 inch Apple Phablet next year, A57/A53 64 bit and may possibly be seeing 4GB of RAM at this point for supersize phablets and 8GB of RAM for tablets.
16. livyatan (Posts: 863; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)
For those who think Intel has the edge over ARM..forget about Antutu and Atom's simulated memory scores!
It is the only benchmark that makes Atom look competitive.
Please check the review of latest Intel powered Galaxy Tab on Gsmarena and see just how ridiculously inferior it is to best ARM chips in EVERY OTHER BENCHMARK EXCEPT ANTUTU(I cannot post links because of my posting number)
The real truth is overwhelmingly in favor of Snapdragon, Exynos &co.
Go to Geekbench and compare 2Ghz Clover trail + with Exynos octa.. numbers show a staggering advantage in every category for the latter, overall being about 120% better
18. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
This generation's intel processors are actually nothing to next generation processors (silvermont) which will use 22nm trigate transistor of intel. This will allow greater power and less power consumption.
3GHz on a mobile processor, especially a15 would be a power hungry processor. Even using a 2ghz processor eats up a lot of power.
Also, intel has this expertise, dont you think they can't produce SoCs that has better performance than arm?
Not defending intel, I just say what I think is true.
21. Pedro0x (Posts: 271; Member since: 19 Oct 2012)
If you can trust geekbench, intel atom in motorola razr i which is clocked at 2 GHz, single core but with hyperthread, saltwell architecture, has 974 in geekbench and exynos octa has 3500 at 1,6 GHz. But we shouldn´t compare these two because razr i uses an old architecture and doesn´t stand a chance against arm 15. Alright now, intel said that silvermont will be 2x more powerful in single thread than saltwell, however I don´t know if Intel compared it to rarz i which is clocked to 2 GHz, and consume 4,7x less battery ( I my self do not believe that :)) and silvermont will have 4 cores instead of the one core which is now being used in phones, but silvermont will not have hyperthread however saltwell does have hyperthread, so if we do the math. 2x more powerful in single thread and 4x more cores, that means 8x more powerful than saltwell, that would mean more single thread performance than S800 or ARM 15 and definitely more multi-thread performance than S800 and ARM 15 at less battery consumption. But be aware that this is just theory and intel didn´t specify which processors he compared silvermont to, or any frequencies.
But from what Intel showed us, Silvermont should be better than ARM 15 or S800. And consume less power. But this is was just a presentation, Silvermont could in reality be much worse, but I don´t think so. Silvermont will bring more competition, which is good for us.
24. ahmed_ali_yossef2010 (Posts: 163; Member since: 26 Jul 2012)
actually you misunderstood the motorola razr i is not clocked at 2 GHz it's just 1.3 and with turbo boost it will be 2 Ghz
26. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Agreed. What's interesting though is silvermont's architecture on 14nm processing. I trust intel for this. But I hope they should produce it sooner rather than later.
27. Pedro0x (Posts: 271; Member since: 19 Oct 2012)
No, Silvermont will be on 22 nm. Airmont (architecture after Silvermont) will be on 14 nm.
And the guy above is right that I misunderstood that it is just turbo up to 2 GHz.
28. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Silvermont and airmont have the same architecture.
29. Pedro0x (Posts: 271; Member since: 19 Oct 2012)
Yes I know, Airmont is just a 14 nm shrink of silvermont.
17. Paradox (Posts: 123; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
Why do people want intel to beat ARM? I dont' want intel to have a monopoly in the mobile phone world, and the desktop pc world. ARM is far better anyway, in the mobile world because their chips are much more efficient. I am not going to buy any phone with an intel chipset because I don't want to help them gain a monopoly.
19. medicci37 (Posts: 957; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
Exactly. Intels chips are also very expensive compared 2 arm
20. livyatan (Posts: 863; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)
Paradox, it has to do with how human mind is hardwired to get fascinated with bigger and badder, instead of truly advanced and efficient.
For example, you won't see majority admiring the fox (most intelligent and widespread member of carnivora)instead of lion will you?
You won't see majority being in awe with super efficient, ultra modern little hybrid engine, next to an old, roaring big block V-8 with a giant supercharger, right?
Intel is the big, musular, loud thing and so it gets perceived as cool and superior.
While in reality, ARM is the non spectacular and quiet yet more advanced creature.
It will out survive Intel and flourish, there's no doubt in my mind about that.
The Bay Trail (Silvermont based)is nothing against even the current snapdragon 800..quad cores will cost 3 times more, in comparison (150$ vs 40$), will have double the TTP(10w vs 5w),, and have a far inferior GPU!
And even considering the promised 2x increase in performance from current Atom, that still should't translate in the more capable CPU compared to S800(look at tons of data showing the S800 being up to 150% faster)
Overall, its just an overkill on Qualcomm's side.
And next to this 3ghz CPU(add another 30-60% increase on top of this clock speed based gain when A57 core gets introduced) coupled with SGX Rogue or ULP Gforce Kepler GPU..well, that Airmont can't come fast enough for Intel.
Until then, ARM has absolutely nothing to compete against
31. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 7005; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Yeah right like they can achieved a 3GHZ for a phone. not their yet.