New rumor claims that Microsoft is trying to motivate Samsung's Windows Phone arm with $1bn
0. phoneArena 12 Dec 2013, 07:30 posted on
A new rumor, started by blogger Eldar Murtazin, is putting to light a rather interesting claim: Microsoft might be trying to lure Samsung into getting serious with its Windows Phone products, and it has allegedly put as much as $1 billion on the table...
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7. Finalflash (Posts: 2055; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
Stupid business though, since no one in their right mind is going to produce anything requiring real investment to compete against MS themselves. They are trying to copy both Google and Apple in classic MS fashion and will likely fail at both. Do they not get how polar opposite those two strategies are? You can't make your own hardware and expect others to make you some too because you have all the home ground advantage.
12. noler (Posts: 214; Member since: 19 Aug 2013)
Google make their on hardware, Google and Android will fail?
27. Finalflash (Posts: 2055; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
Well firstly everyone knows Google didn't buy Moto for hardware making, that is just them using what they got extra. Second they have gone out of their way to give Moto no advantage over other OEMs unlike MS who have done the opposite giving full priority to Nokia (now theirs). So no Google and Android won't fail because even now they aren't in the conventional hardware race with things like Glass and Project Ara. MS though is competing directly with their "Partners" which are few and far between now.
31. papss (unregistered)
Dude did you forget the nexus like? Google IS. Competing directly.
34. o0Exia0o (Posts: 451; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
Did you forget that Google does not build the Nexus? It is contracted out to other companys.
35. SuperMaoriBro (Posts: 392; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)
Google nexus branded devices are cheaper to own outright. This takes sales away from other manufacturers
36. o0Exia0o (Posts: 451; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
If the "Other" manufactures had a problem with the pricing of the nexus then why would they continue to make them? How does your theory work?
3. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Bribes can work wonders ... and M$ gets back to its old trick. How can one forget the way M$ used to market against Sun Solaris servers .. it used to be over Luncheon parties :)
6. sri_tech (Posts: 188; Member since: 21 May 2013)
If you talk about bribing then there is no worse company than Samsung in that.
You can read the company's history on TheVerge editorial.
Also, didnt samsung paid twitter to make its tablet app exclusive to galaxy tablets?
4. sri_tech (Posts: 188; Member since: 21 May 2013)
Eldar Murtazin is pathetic troll. He hates everything about Nokia and Microsoft.
You can see from the above twitter conversation (his replies to the above tweet).
He also saying Samsung did not lose any money on Tizen. How come Samsung did not lose money on Tizen when its delayed many times?
He also said WP8 devices wont receive any updates which is false. Microsoft released 3 updates after that and confirmed that they will be updated in future also.
9. addicted2088 (Posts: 53; Member since: 25 Sep 2012)
Heck, he even said Tizen was cancelled, so he just bakes up rumors everywhere. Murtazin is not one to be believed, except when it's early access to a device that he often gets.
21. FoneAddict (Posts: 213; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
Eldar has been right on many occasions just because he isn't a big fan of Windows Mobile doesn't make him a Troll. The fact is MS are in deep crap as they are struggling against the big boys Apple and Google and no one can admire how they treated Nokia by employing Elop Trojan.
32. papss (unregistered)
You mean wp? Win mobile has been gone for a while.
5. sipha (Posts: 382; Member since: 12 May 2012)
how does Microsoft make money from Windows Phone exactly?? 0_o
10. o0Exia0o (Posts: 451; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
Not much. It seems that one of microsofts biggest payouts is from their patents that android uses to the tune 3 billion + if I remember correctly.
24. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
they have fees for windows and windows phone... also tons of android money to burn
28. o0Exia0o (Posts: 451; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
Yes they have fees for windows phone, but as a previous article on phonearena has stated Microsoft may start waiving fees on WP and RT software in order to draw in more OEMs in; there by negating any money they would have collected on those fees. Heres the story:
Right now Windows (for computers) and patent money brought in from Android/OEMs are the cash cows for Microsoft. Their mobile computing platforms (Windows phone & Windows RT) and other divisions like XBOX are spilling red ink (leaking money away) from Microsoft's bottom line. Here is the story:
30. xfire99 (Posts: 583; Member since: 14 Mar 2012)
They dont and they earn $2B a year on Android royalties and lose $2.5 billion a year on Skype, Windows Phone, and Xbox.
Thats why they are trying to use "bribes", like they did with Nokia and want OEMs back. For Nokia, all know how it went and was bad idea to get involved with Microsoft. They get $250m quarterly, but need to pay Microsoft €500m for license fee for Nokia WP Phones and was real bad deal.
Best is OEMs stay away from WP phones and dont repeat Nokias mistake.
8. o0Exia0o (Posts: 451; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
I can see M$ doing this as they are all about distroying Google. How better to do it than to trying to pay Samsung (which is androids biggest OEM) for producing WP products? You don't see them going after one of the smaller OEMs.
22. SellPhones82 (Posts: 569; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
Yeah, but how well have any Samsung Windows phones sold in the past? Also Samsung seems to do well with Android due to advertising and the fact that they are able to customize the UI and add features that stock Android does not offer. I may be wrong, but is Microsoft pretty stick on what OEMs can and can't change/add in W8? How is Samsung going to differentiate themselves from Nokia and HTC W8 phones? $1BN is a huge cunk of change and would be shocked if Samsung didn't take the offer but still don't see how that will "destroy" Google in any way. There are also rumors that MS is going to lower the licencing fees fees on W8 and RT, which should also help given Android is FREE to the OEMs. I hope we see some dual booting phones from Samsung because of this.
26. o0Exia0o (Posts: 451; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
BEFORE I GET STARTED; I thank that we should note that this whole story that we are commenting on is based on a rumor by this one person on twitter and has not been confirmed nor denied by any other source. There for any of this may or may not be true. With that said I submit the following:
Answer: Samsung WPs have not been making neither, Samsung or Microsoft, very much money or have been selling very well considering that the only one that I can recall Samsung recently producing is the ATIV series.
But consider if we break down all of the numbers of all OEMs involved in Android and assign them respective market shares based on the break up per OEM handsets sold on the market then you would find that for Samsung's Android market share it comes fairly close to being 70% of Android handsets sold. That by any standard is a large chunk of an OS (Not as much as Nokia's percent of the WP market which is 90% or better). When we take in to account Microsoft's perceived "war" that they have been waging on Google with their scroogled campaign against Google's products and services the picture starts to become clearer. This is not about choice for the consumer but another attack on Google by Microsoft going after Google's current top android manufacturer which is Samsung. Sure Samsung is not for the time going to give up Android (no one is suggesting that) but if MS can get in on Samsung and have them produce more WP (Assuming that they, Samsung & Microsoft, could sell the products for a profit) then Microsoft would be in effect be attacking Google where they wanted by taking market share from Android and indirectly attacking Google's bottom line; its money flow. The reason that they are offering this "bribe" or deal (if that is what you want to call it) to Samsung and not LG or HTC is because of Samsung's dominance in the android market, nothing more nothing less. Sure they are reducing fees for WP and RT software for all OEMs but who else are they offering this sort of deal to if this story turns out to be true?
11. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1313; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)
It would be so easy to port WP over to a Samsung S4 or Note 3. Just look at the Nokia phablet hardware. It uses the same guts as any other Android phone. Or better yet just have an option to dual boot. Let customers decide which OS to choose from on power up.
13. o0Exia0o (Posts: 451; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
Not to start a fight but with the system requirements of touch wiz on top of android leaving users of some note 3s and gs4s with only 8gb of use able storage I don't see the dual boot as an option. I don't know the requirements for WP one would need to run it but there would be a whole lot of unhappy customers if they turn on their phones and only found 4gb or less of usable storage on board.
14. nobelset (Posts: 270; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
I think 32GB is going to be the standard next year. Well it should be... At least
16. o0Exia0o (Posts: 451; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
I am hoping that we have gotten to the point of 32\64 instead of 16\32 myself, but like you said we will have to wait and see.
15. Tuxedo (Posts: 201; Member since: 19 Mar 2013)
Screw Samsung, if you have to bribe them, they are not serious enough. All you have to do is build some d@mn apps MS.
17. aco96 (Posts: 218; Member since: 12 Oct 2012)
I love my Samsung ATIV S, best phone ever! :D
18. toiletcleaner (Posts: 223; Member since: 10 Oct 2012)
Microsoft is trying to get the big android manufacture out of the market. so they can buy it like they did whit Nokia
23. kanagadeepan (Posts: 751; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
Wow... M$ repeating the same plan it used to buy Nokia for Cheap against Sammy. Looks like M$ is trying to buy Samsung for Cheap too...
29. Topcat488 (Posts: 1185; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)
When will M$ realize that it's not Samsung... It's "Windows", the OS sucks, the Dev's have admitted being "LAZY". From "cmd ctl delete" to "http", Windows makes everything harder, slower, unnecessary! MicroSoft already has the best of what a cell phone needs in "Nokia", so "Samsung" most likely will TAKE the MONEY... But it won't help WP one bit. ö^ö
33. papss (unregistered)
You forgot in your opinions. I think android sucks but that doesnt make it true..
37. Topcat488 (Posts: 1185; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)
No need to say IMO, really, it sucks... And even more on laptops and desktops, 7 minutes to boot up, 15 minutes to shut down... Windows OS could be better, but then that would take the dev's to get off their asses, and or maybe top management to stop depending on Scroogle to do their work for them. "Whatever" :)
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