New nano-SIM design chosen by ETSI
0. phoneArena 01 Jun 2012, 08:00 posted on
The whole nano-SIM design saga is over now that the European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI) has come up with a decision on the matter. And the winner is... well, we don't really know for sure, but some say that Apple's design has been chosen...
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1. Credo (Posts: 657; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)
Why not the one designed by Nokia? It was the best and the smallest ...
2. Sniggly (Posts: 6400; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Even if it was the Apple design that was chosen, Apple did promise to give up its right to sue anyone else for using it. Therefore, if the nano SIM presents a net gain for companies and customers, I'm for it, no matter who designed it.
8. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
Let's see if they live up to their promise.
3. the_qqaazz (Posts: 6; Member since: 13 May 2012)
if it's apple design then f**k them and their patent :D
4. Sniggly (Posts: 6400; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Okay, you can calm down now, Sparky. Apple believed in the design so much they gave up their right to try to get money or sue anyone else for using it. That's big. This is an example of Apple doing something NON evil.
For once. :P
7. hepresearch (unregistered)
I agree with Sniggly. It is one thing to dislike a company because they do a lot of evil things, but it makes no sense to rant against them when they actually find a place within their corporate heart to do something nice. So, kudos to Apple for introducing a decent new standard and making it free to all to use without the threat of litigation. Companies can be like people, and people can change themselves for the better when they want to, so why can't a company eventually change itself for the better if it wants to? It is nice to see NON-evil coming from Apple... it is actually quite refreshing, and... may I please have some more?
And for all those who accuse Sniggs of "trolling", is this not evidence that he is, in fact, NOT a one-sided full-time Apple-bashing goofball? Legitimate critics can, and have been known to, applaud the very objects of their usual dislike when credit is due for something good or different from them, whereas true fanboys and trolls are rarely ever capable of complimenting their "enemies" if they do something good for a change.
So, like young Oliver, I find myself kindly asking Apple for more of this kind of thing. I figure it is always okay to hope for more signs of better days arriving at Apple.
13. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Actually Sniggly still found a way to sneak in an Apple bashing comment.
Apple doesn't do anything "evil" to claim that either shows a simplistic mindset to where he doesn't understand the intricacies of business OR he's trolling as usual.
Apple does a lot of this. We kit browser and the. 264 video codec being a couple of other examples. Sniggly just chooses to ignore that and focus on only the negative.
16. Sniggly (Posts: 6400; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Oh dear god, Nancy, can't you take a minute to not be angry for once? I'm sorry that your daddy didn't buy you a Jag for your sweet sixteen, but that doesn't give you the right to go and throw a temper tantrum in here. We don't have the money to buy you a Jag anyway. There is nothing we can do about that.
As for this concept that Apple does nothing evil, may I remind you about the DMCA jailbreaking incident, wherein Apple lobbied for the US government to declare jailbreaking a felony offense under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act?
I mean, trying to actively have people THROWN IN PRISON for messing with your devices that THEY HAVE ALREADY BOUGHT is pretty damn evil.
So please, don't take my words as deliberately trying to rabble rouse. I'm being as charitable as I can muster here for a company which has routinely pissed me off for years now.
19. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
So you think Apple execs sit around try to figure out how to do evil things to people?
You may disagree with how they go about making money, but they're not "evil".
Also if you hate Apple so much you sure do keep up on everything they do. If I dont like a company I'm really not too interested in them and don't buy their products.
23. Sniggly (Posts: 6400; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
You're missing the point. I'm not saying that Apple is run by Skeletor (though Jobs looked a little like him near the end). I'm saying that Apple has done s**t that routinely grates on the nerves of people who have a sense of Justice. I get it, Jobs just wanted his baby to be successful again, but his policies went too far, and his company ended up alienating people like me because of it.
25. hepresearch (unregistered)
Sheesh... Taco, who cares? He actually complemented Apple on something that really matters to a lot of us, which Apple deserves credit for doing if they indeed do as they have said they would, and here you are whining that somebody snuck in something bad (witty and cute, actually) about your poor poor Apple...
Are you really going to complain about progress here? Are you really going to act so insecure and defensive about people not being instantly as absolutely enamoured with Apple as you are? Pleeeeease...
31. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 5468; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
and you alwasy bash MOTOROLA/HTC/SAMSUNG so you're the one to talk
28. smartphone (Posts: 160; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
Actually its a standard you can't charge anyone for following a standard. Its always free from patents.
5. roscuthiii (Posts: 1658; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
I'm not sure if it was just some linguistic liberty I saw taken by the author in another article on a different site I read on this, but the way that author phrased it in order for the design to be used freely the companies would have been required to offer the "same terms in accordance with the principle of reciprocity" (which I guess was a direct quote from Apple) on all industry standards they might own (this part may have been the linguistic liberty).
There are two blaring legalese red alarms at the end of that statement: all & might.
That made it sound like everyone else would get to use just this one Apple design for free whereas Apple would get to use everything everybody else designs or even might design freely.
11. mrochester (unregistered)
No it means that all of Apple's patents in this design are free to use ONLY if the patents belonging to other companies in this design are also made free to use.
15. roscuthiii (Posts: 1658; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
They're the ones pushing for their nano-SIM design to be an industry standard so I'd think FRAND would cover their reciprocity concerns from the other ETSI members.
As assertive as Apple is of protecting their IP, I just can't see them wanting to give use of one of their designs away for free, even in a tit-for-tat deal when it could be monetized or maintained with exclusive control in the (in)famous walled garden.
22. roscuthiii (Posts: 1658; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Entirely possible. It does happen from time to time. ;-P
29. mrochester (unregistered)
Apple already gives loads of their technology away for free. Why would this be any different?
6. WinC76 (Posts: 48; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
Tbh, I don't know how this will make phones smaller at all considering how many phones are getting bigger and there are already super slim phones on the market (and not everyone is aiming to get the slimmest phone out there). Plus, some companies have already placed huge batteries into their phones already, so I just don't get this whole nano SIM thing.
12. mrochester (unregistered)
The modern day sim card takes up a HUGE amount of space inside a device for the sort of functionality it provides.
Just look at the sheer amount of space taken up by the micro sim card on the iPhone 4/4S mainboard.
9. torr310 (Posts: 288; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
The tiny form factor would be too difficult for elders to do it by themselves.
10. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 5468; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
And THIS WAS NOT INVENTED BY APPLE
14. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
actually it was and Apple won :-)
18. iSometimes (Posts: 42; Member since: 16 Feb 2011)
I do understand that making the SIM smaller may help free up space, but I feel that Apple is limited to space due to its small phones. 3.5" screen big at all compared to several other phones. By simply increasing the screen to 4" and increasing the size of the phone just a bit, a drastic amount of space can become available. Reducing the SIM card makes it a hassle for people to buy a new iPhone unless they go purchase a new SIM card or cut the pre-existing one. Blackberry also makes small phones compared to Samsung and HTC. Nokia...meh.
21. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Extra space is good anyway you slice it
26. hepresearch (unregistered)
True. How odd that I find myself agreeing with Taco, but he's absolutely right about extra space. Even if the space savings is small at first, in the end it usually is just the first step into another device component going truly nano-scale. +1... for once.
27. hepresearch (unregistered)
Even though I am no Apple fan, I find the iPhone to be more attractive to me for being smaller than the 4"+ superphones from other manufacturers... it was the same for me with the HP Veer 4G. Compact devices are better for me overall, and I prefer being able to harness the added portability that a smaller device affords, as well as the pocket-ability. I like... small... phones... and I cannot lie!
30. bayusuputra (Posts: 939; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
I want a Nano-Priced phones more than this..