New iPhone parts start to leak, confirm 16:9 aspect ratio 4" screen
0. phoneArena posted on 29 May 2012, 11:41
It's that time of the year again, and parts of the new iPhone are leaking out, providing a glimpse at what to expect from Cupertino this year...
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11. twenti7 posted on 29 May 2012, 12:06 2 7
I am too. Changees, even small ones, are almost always a good thing in the tech world. I'm looking forward to seeing what Apple brings to the table this year.
31. skymitch89 posted on 29 May 2012, 12:43 1 0
I don't think that Apple will be releasing/announcing the next iPhone at WWDC next month. I think that they've changed things up a bit and are going to be doing it in the fall because most of the main Android manufacturers are releasing their flagship devices during the summer and they don't really want to compete with them.
111. appleDOESNT.com posted on 29 May 2012, 15:57 5 4
You have been waiting 5 years for a 4" non 4:3 display iPhone, I'd be exited to if I were iHerd.. 5 years is a long time! with each year bringing just a handful of improvements to a single phone line, that is supposed to somehow cater to millions?! :/ it's tough when the features you want don't make the apple cut and it's another year just to get disappointed once again... but hey, finally after 5 years apple might produce a industry standard 16:9 ratio with a decent sized screen. Bravo apple, bravo, welcome to android 3 years ago!
139. kindlefireowner posted on 29 May 2012, 18:19 4 0
Business 101. Make a product that people want to buy. Then sell as many of them as possible.
Apple has sold 66 million iphones with a 3.5 inch screen over the past 6 months. Name one android phone that has sold over 20 million worldwide in the same time period. That would be none of them.
162. stealthd posted on 29 May 2012, 22:29 2 2
Who said anyone was waiting 5 years? Were G1 owners waiting too? You realize 3 years ago from this date the biggest screen available on an Android phone was 3.2 inches? It's saddening there are people this stupid on the internet.
164. BattleBrat posted on 30 May 2012, 00:06 1 0
Me too +1 Taco, I'm getting one of these iPhones, OH YES I AM!!! My RAZR will still remain my phone, but I'm getting one of these iPhone 5's....
I wanted to get an iPhone when they first came out, but I stalled a few years and then got the DROID 1...
Oh and the smaller connector at the bottom, it the new docking port they were rumoring about...
3. theoak posted on 29 May 2012, 11:45 3 2
Check out the bottom connector!
MUCH smaller. I hope it is micro-USB.
9. Credo posted on 29 May 2012, 11:56 0 1
yeah it looks like micro usb, well seee next monthh :)
13. lauremar posted on 29 May 2012, 12:16 9 0
I doubt that it will be micro-USB... It will be a new smaller Apple proprietary connector.
7. AppleConspiracy posted on 29 May 2012, 11:52 4 3
Fake or testing models that are not final designs.
8. remixfa posted on 29 May 2012, 11:55 24 12
Looks like a small samsung. I guess its apple's turn to start "slavishly copying" samsung, eh taco?? :)
Anyways, bigger screen would always be appreciated, but i still wish they woulda went 4.3. Oh well, not like im gonna buy one anyways.. lol.
Welcome to android's mid grade ifans!!! :)
18. hepresearch (unregistered) posted on 29 May 2012, 12:26 2 0
On this rare occasion, I must respectfully disagree with you, remix... but not completely. It looks close enough to the iPhone 4S that I distinctly recognize it as an iPhone. Yes there are changes to the design, so it is not exactly like the iPhone 4S, and the improvements are in a couple of key areas from what I am seeing... no more glass back (thank goodness... my sister-in-law will be relieved that she will not be breaking yet another glass back on her next iPhone), thinner bezel while retaining the traditional round Apple button, and the larger screen (at 4", it is now following in the footsteps of Samsung and HTC in terms of the mega-screen-size trend since 2009... but one must still acknowledge the Apple iPhone roots of the trend for capacitive screens larger than 3" on a smartphone in 2007... and then one must acknowledge LG for the capacitive screen on the Prada in 2006... and from there it is a veritable blood-bath of acknowledgment back to who-knows-what, so why bother going there in the first place?). The back has a new design and new materials, of course, but the front looks fairly similar, just with a reduced bezel and a larger screen. As for the smaller port, well, if Apple wants it to be proprietary so they can keep on making money on total ecosystem hardware incompatibility, then it will not be microUSB no matter what anyone else thinks. I will be hugely surprised if it is microUSB, and at this point I don't think it is, anyway. In all honesty, this looks like it will be, at least tangible-hardware-wise, a more solid iPhone than before, despite retaining many clear Apple-esque traditional forms which retain clear recognition of this device as an iPhone.
As for iOS 6, which will inevitably launch with this, well... who knows? Widgets? Maybe? I won't be getting one anyway (and not just because I am too poor to be an Apple-elitist), but one can still dream of the possibilities, can they not?
19. remixfa posted on 29 May 2012, 12:31 4 3
id be surprised on the MicroUSB as well if that became reality. Apple likes to price gouge and have proprietary accessories way too much to use a standard jack.
As far as the design goes. yea, you can still tell its an apple, but if you take away the circular button and put a square one, or just a row of capacitive buttons, it looks like a shrunken SGS2 hercules/skyrocket. Since you couldnt say the same thing previously with the hercules/skyrocket vs the iphone4S, the design is definitely leaning towards samsung more than it should.... IF that's the design at all.
I like the possibilities because I like competition, regardless if I like the competitor or not.
73. KingKurogiii posted on 29 May 2012, 14:16 1 1
it doesn't really look THAT different from the 4S so you better be careful remixfa or it might start to sound like you're saying Samsungs like the ones you mentioned look a lot like the iPhone. xD
178. remixfa posted on 30 May 2012, 10:33 0 1
no, it looks like a samsung, not the reverse. :)
The design language has changed slightly and it resembles a phone that is launched months before it. there for the iphone looks like the samsung.
187. KingKurogiii posted on 30 May 2012, 14:00 0 0
so you're saying it's changed SO MUCH that it's gone from a phone that looked nothing like a Samsung to a phone that actually really resembles a Samsung? :P
23. AppleConspiracy posted on 29 May 2012, 12:32 2 2
Widgets are never going to be used on an iPhone. They are contradictory to iOS philosophy - they are graphically inconsistent, and also unpredictable in terms of draining system resources. There is maybe a third option which has yet to be invented. What do you think?
BTW this design here is celary not Apple's - I have measured the proportions and rules of shaping every ipHone - Apple is very strict about that and this example of alleged parts shows inconsistency with that even on a first look. For instance, camera was allways equidistant from horizontal and vertical edge of the phone - now it's just non-proportionally "moved away" to make room for larger screen. And so on... many flaws that Apple would never let itself.
26. remixfa posted on 29 May 2012, 12:35 2 1
if they dont go with widgets, they may go with some form of metro-ui live tile rip off, since its more aesthetically similar to their icons.
I have no idea about the whole second part. It makes sense as far as their positioning as many high brand products are that peculiar, but im not gonna measure it, so i'll just trust ya on that. :)
32. AppleConspiracy posted on 29 May 2012, 12:44 1 0
The more I look at it, the more it's fake. Now I see problems with logo and typography.
First of all, they are too close to each other (Apple logo and "iPhone" title with standard info) and too far from edges of the phone - they were allways the same from 1st gen iPhone. Now they will change it. It doesn't look graphically good either to justifiy it - it's more like amateur's work.
Secondly, on this part they are using light version of their "iPhone" type instead of Bold type (Minion Pro Bold).
This would also be the first time after they were using Bold version it consistently ever since first iMac in 1998...
And BTW, it's not microUSB port...
check this out (and other stuff too)
28. Commentator posted on 29 May 2012, 12:37 0 0
I think you meant "celery."
30. remixfa posted on 29 May 2012, 12:43 0 0
which fits much better than celery.. lolol
36. Commentator posted on 29 May 2012, 12:46 3 0
Ooooooh, he meant "clearly"! It's so clear to me now!
45. remixfa posted on 29 May 2012, 12:52 0 0
i wish it were clear around here. this tropical storm needs to get movin on, darn it! lol
34. AppleConspiracy posted on 29 May 2012, 12:45 1 0
No, I meant "clearly" but I couldn't go back to edit anymore...
29. hepresearch (unregistered) posted on 29 May 2012, 12:38 0 0
What is to say that they don't depart in order to incorporate some new feature that needs a different geometry to be present? Can they really be considered flaws if it is done properly? It has always seemed to me that Apple has a very high incidence of pan-corporate OCD, but who is to say that they cannot overcome that in order to improve a product in the future?
42. AppleConspiracy posted on 29 May 2012, 12:51 0 2
The design of Apple products is very strict and maybe the most rigorous element of their production - everything must be symmetrical and distanced in whole numbers - this will they never let no matter what technologal excuse they could have.
If you are familiar with Jony Ive's approach to design - you should be very aware that he would not let this happen.
PS - now i wonder why it has 3.5 mm headphone jack on bottom....
126. -box- posted on 29 May 2012, 16:48 0 0
@appleconspiracy their devices aren't symmetrical, at least in terms of detail. Offset cameras, ports and buttons only on a single side...
As for their design concept as a whole, it's just rehashed Dieter Rams ideas.
Having the headphone jack on the bottom is so revolutionary and new! In all seriousness though, it makes some sense: imagine holding the phone in hand: having the cord out the bottom means it would ride along your arm and not interfere with using it, visually or by hand, plus it would allow for a single dock with a jack and power port on the bottom, giving a clean look (which apple aspires to)
74. KingKurogiii posted on 29 May 2012, 14:18 0 0
they use Widgets on Mac OS so i could see them doing it for the iPhone at some point but with a tighter than iron grip on how they're implemented from third parties.
78. AppleConspiracy posted on 29 May 2012, 14:24 0 0
Apple is wise enought to know that the rules from desktop configuration cannot be lineary translated to small touchscreen of the iPhone.
iOS has its laws of usage by user and having widgets is something that is totally out of it. Both aestheticaly and functional.
81. KingKurogiii posted on 29 May 2012, 14:30 1 0
i think you imagine these rules because of your limited imagination. it can be done just like i said.
85. AppleConspiracy posted on 29 May 2012, 14:41 1 0
Of course it can be done. However, I know Apple all too well, especially their design principles. They won't do it.
89. KingKurogiii posted on 29 May 2012, 14:49 0 0
we'll see but i'm pretty sure they will in one way or the other.
93. AppleConspiracy posted on 29 May 2012, 15:14 0 0
Of course, they could allways invent yet unseen way to handle dynamic content on homescreen, like Microsoft did with LiveTiles, that is something I can't predict. All I know they will not implement widgets in their classical sense.
110. KingKurogiii posted on 29 May 2012, 15:56 0 0
the term widget doesn't translate to a certain method of using them. using widgets in any kind of sort of manner is classified as using widgets. remember that.
124. -box- posted on 29 May 2012, 16:44 1 0
The black one looks one heck of a lot like the recent Motorolas. While I understand (and sort of like, barely) the design asthetic of the metal part being the same as the screen on the front (in theory), the phone still looks uncomfortable to hold, fragile, and uninspired. It's the equivalent of adding a racing stripe to a car and calling it a brand new model, even if it is slightly larger than the old one.
175. Doakie posted on 30 May 2012, 09:42 0 0
I had to go back and look up the original Galaxy S series and I definitely can see how a hidden Apple logo or a covered up home button could lead me to think a 4" iPhone was a Galaxy S. It's really going to get hard to decipher which is which once people start throwing cases on them. At that point that people start confusing Apples for Samsung's why would anyone buy an iPhone? Because most people buy them trying to look cool or because "it's an iPhone." Now it's not only "If it looks the same how will they know it's different?" It's "If it looks like a Samsung how will they know it's Apple?" A lot more baristas are going to get Samsunged...
10. gallitoking posted on 29 May 2012, 12:03 4 5
WWDC should be very interesting this year.. Apple lovers and haters will feast their eyes on the upcoming iphone...
25. remixfa posted on 29 May 2012, 12:33 4 0
the SGS3 had its month in the spotlight, now its apple's turn. The trick is, is it going to be enough to reignite the apple brand and take back some of its eroded market share? With the SGS3 pouncing the i4s with just preorder sales before actual sales, there is a lot of pressure on the i5 to be able to shine under the spotlight in many aspects.
43. taco50 (banned) posted on 29 May 2012, 12:51 1 11
You're so out of touch with reality. Apple is recognized as the number one tech brand in the world. They've gained 5% marketshare worldwide since the 4S launch.
52. remixfa posted on 29 May 2012, 13:07 7 2
reeeeally? 2 things.
find a graph from i4s launch and a graph from today, and show me 5%.
And even if it did get an aaaamaaaazing 5%, remind me how much android took in that same 7 or so month period? Yea, well more than 5%. Which means, over all, Apple's position is sliding. They are still moving AWAY from Android, not closer.
number 1 tech brand? you realize that samsung outsold them right? oh.. no. your still in denial, because otherwise that means you lost the bet.. woopsie.
They may be the "most profitable", but that doesnt make them "number 1".
again, only ifools like you BRAG about overpaying for all your products so Apple can have huge profit margins.
141. taco50 (banned) posted on 29 May 2012, 19:03 1 1
I'll demolish you with links to FACTS as usual a little later when I have time.
143. taco50 (banned) posted on 29 May 2012, 19:34 1 0
"The trick is, is it going to be enough to reignite the apple brand and take back some of its eroded market share?"
May 21st PA
May 16th PA
iOS grows from 16.9% to 22.9% world market share for smartphone. Almost 1 of 4 smartphones sold are iPhones.
You commented on those articles by the way. So are you purposely lying or have the memory of a 3 year old?
75. KingKurogiii posted on 29 May 2012, 14:19 1 1
um..okay? so how does that make aything he just said wrong? xD
144. taco50 (banned) posted on 29 May 2012, 19:35 0 0
did you read what he said? Apparently not.
148. KingKurogiii posted on 29 May 2012, 19:51 0 1
no taco, i didn't read what he said. i'm a blind remixfa sheep and i intend to stay that way. :P
150. taco50 (banned) posted on 29 May 2012, 19:57 0 0
glad you admit it :)
138. Non_Sequitur posted on 29 May 2012, 18:01 2 1
I enjoy watching remixfa destroy you in arguments daily.
Anyone have some butter for my popcorn?
163. hepresearch (unregistered) posted on 29 May 2012, 23:22 1 0
Bah! I disagree with you, Non_Sequitur! Kettle-corn is MUCH better because I say so, and because I'm the local popcorn troll! Now I'm going to try to say something... hmmm... something snyde and witty, and mean, but I will fail epically...
maniacal laugh... maniacal laugh...
51. mrochester (unregistered) posted on 29 May 2012, 13:04 1 1
Of course Apple are under a lot of pressure to perform, but I think you're a little out of touch by focussing on marketshare. Marketshare is all but a meaningless statistic as it gains you no tangible benefit. Android OS has by far the largest marketshare, yet the vast majority of apps, accessories and profits are found in the iOS world. What's actually important for a company is; a) how many devices you sell and b) how much money you make. Only Samsung is able to topple Apple on point a, and Apple are the outright front running on point b.
Apple's brand is more popular now than ever before; they are selling more devices and making more money than at any point in the past. It's the *other* brands who need to catch up with Apple still, not the other way around! Only Samsung appear to be starting to understand this...
55. remixfa posted on 29 May 2012, 13:12 3 0
the vast majority of apps? apple has a very small lead in apps at this point in time. and since they are both over the half million mark in apps, which is a ton,
name me 10 "must have" apps on the iphone that are not on android or that dont have a very similar counter part on android.
market share is very important. If Apple loses too much marketshare, they will lose their bargaining chip with carriers and not be able to force such subsidies down their throats. Without those subsidies, iphones will be more expencive, which will reduce sales which will make matters worse.. or Apple will be forced to lower the price to keep the price the same, which will cut their profit margins dramatically.
We are already seeing some carriers push back against apple in this regards. Its a tug of war. The more marketshare they have, the more power they wield over the carriers, and vice versa.
On the same token, if samsung or google REALLY wanted to, they could play Apple's game with the carriers and force things like unified updates (which i think we'd all like). They have the marketshare clout to make those demands now. Fortunately or unfortunately, they refuse to act like apple, so you take the good with the bad.
59. mrochester (unregistered) posted on 29 May 2012, 13:27 0 0
The point I'm making is that marketshare doesn't have any effect on what (or number) of apps are available; what's actually important is whether app developers can make money from their efforts (which obviously they do in bucket loads on iOS).
I think you're still placing far too much emphasis on marketshare and what consequences reduced marketshare has. Just look at the level of bargaining power Apple were able to leverage when they had 0% smartphone marketshare. I think we're seeing a lot of bellyaching from networks as their influence is significantly reduced and they're forced to become "dumb pipes" (which I might add is a great thing for consumers) and this is being targetted towards Apple because they are the biggest proponent of reducing the networks' influence, but I don't think there is any network foolish enough to stop offering the iPhone and risk loosing millions and millions of customers to their competitors, as that is precisely what would happen if they did. They'd likely lose far more money by not offering the iPhone and loosing all of those customers than by offering the iPhone with massive subsidies. Apple have the mobile networks' over a barrel and that's a bloody brilliant thing to see! I only wish Google would have the balls to take the same approach instead of simply playing it's the networks' hands...
61. remixfa posted on 29 May 2012, 13:41 0 0
actually, apple had very little leverage when they first came out. VZW shot them down and who knows who else. ATT decided to take the chance, because they were precariously close to being in a "sprint/tmobile like position" and needed a hook to get subscribers. For them, it was a great hail mary shot that worked, but had they not been in such a mess, the iphone likely would have launched unsubsidised and not been the big mobility changing event that it was.
You have to look no further than to europe to see that carriers are pushing back bit by bit. Its not that they are refusing to offer it, but they are refusing to discount it so heavily that it hurts them.. which is what american companies do. Thats also the reason american plans are so damned expensive. Look at the plans over there compared to ours. They are more in line with Tmobile pricing than they are with VZW/ATT pricing.
And with that, quite frankly they have the right idea. less subsidies in exchange for cheaper service.
68. mrochester (unregistered) posted on 29 May 2012, 14:05 0 0
I believe Apple had a rather unprecendented agreement with AT&T that involved revenue sharing?
We're getting a little off-topic here but the primary issue with the American market is a lack of competition; whereas relatively little infrastructure is needed to blanket markets such as the UK, it's infinitely more expensive to achieve the same thing in the US so the networks' stick to their "comfort zones" where they can most effectively exploit revenue, so it's a different kettle of fish altogether.
At the end of the day, the networks' interests are to make as much money as they feasibly can, which typically means ruthlessly exploiting Android OS to push their own wares, regardless of the negative effect that has on the customer experience. As an enthusiast it's really difficult to be supportive of that as it places way too much power in the hands of the mobile networks'. Much like I simply want my broadband provider to be nothing more than a big, fat pipe to allow me to access all the things I want to access when I'm at home, I want my mobile network to be the same, but with wireless data.
80. jcpwn2004 posted on 29 May 2012, 14:26 0 0
App makers do make profit off android, just because the apps are free doesn't mean they aren't making revenue.
And yes, market share matters a lot. Especially when trying to get apps that deliver content (cnn, hbo go, etc..) The reason developers aren't in a rush to develop for wp7 or BB is because there is no marketshare or profit to be made.
98. mrochester (unregistered) posted on 29 May 2012, 15:35 0 0
Who said developers don't make money off of Android? What they don't make is as much as they do on iOS, however.
Isn't the Windows Phone Marketplace currently exploding in growth? By your logic it shouldn't be... at all.
145. taco50 (banned) posted on 29 May 2012, 19:37 1 3
Verizon has gone on record Apple turned Verizon down. Do you care at all about what happens in real life and being factually correct?