New Samsung Exynos 5 Octa: 20% more CPU power, twice the graphic capabilities
0. phoneArena 22 Jul 2013, 23:31 posted on
Last week, Samsung told us to expect the introduction shortly of an evolved, enhanced version of its Exynos 5 Octa-core processor; on Monday, the chip was unveiled and the new Samsung Exynos 5420 will include a six-core ARM Mali-T628 GPU that handles 3D graphics twice as fast as the previous Exynos 5 Octa-core...
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7. AnTuTu (Posts: 971; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)
What Battery efficiency? Go and read Tech2's comment below.
9. hung2900 (Posts: 821; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
Yes, surely better than 5410.
When I knew about the Imagination's GPU SGX544Mp3 inside the Octa 5410, I doubted that how could it works with CCI-400 (a very important part of big.LITTLE architechture) because it can only work with a ARM's GPU. And the fact showed after that 5410 does not have CCI-400, and that's why there is no "pair" of a Cortex A15 and Cortex A7 as many said before
Now, this one is an ARM's GPU, and I'm sure that Samsung includes CCI-400 into it. The battery efficiency is much better.
37. rd_nest (Posts: 824; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
It is actually. 5420 supports full GTS (Global Task Scheduling).
It will debut in a chromebook first, then Note 3 probably. (Source: XDA dev AndreiLux).
5420 can use any combination of the eight CPU cores at a time.
There is already a working GTS implementation in Linaro codebase:
Yes, I am 100% sure that it will have a properly working CCI in 5420 :)
38. sharks (Posts: 168; Member since: 16 Feb 2013)
That would mean that the S4 is already running on old specs.
2. EXkurogane (Posts: 863; Member since: 07 Mar 2013)
20% more power, twice the graphic abilities; 40% more battery consumption, twice the heat production. Samsung missed out another 2 features.
3. joey_sfb (Posts: 3231; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Dog headed with a grudge against Samsung. Don't waste your life away hating..
4. EXkurogane (Posts: 863; Member since: 07 Mar 2013)
I give credits to any company when due, but i have not been impressed with what Samsung has been doing. Their Exynos processor-powered phones has a lot of issues, and even with countless "improved" ones the problems are still there, not to mention the one in the S4 still lack proper LTE support.
5. tech2 (Posts: 2443; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
Exactly. They are the first to open the article and reply and show the world pathetic they sound. Such people think they have better understanding of the chip by reading an article than the entire engineering team who spend months working on them.
@EXkurogane, Do you realize its not the battery consuming PowerVRSGX544M3 from the GS4 ? Also, its only overclocked by 0.2 Ghz how would that increase the heat consumption to twice ?....smh
TBH, I wasn't expecting much, just some usual updates but I was really taken aback by the twice the GPU. Already GS4 had one the most powerful GPU (if not the most power efficient). Its like the best of SD800 (processing) & Tegra 4 (GPU) put together. Awesome !
6. EXkurogane (Posts: 863; Member since: 07 Mar 2013)
I was being partially sarcastic. But im indeed concerned with the GPU boost because that does produce more heat. My country has both S600 and Exynos versions of Galaxy S4 available, consumers get to choose, and you wont believe how many dumb consumers went for Exynos and sacrificed LTE thinking they could get DOUBLE processing power seeing Exynos has 8 cores when it is not exactly the case.
It is indeed a bit faster than snapdragon 600, but far from double, just a slight bit faster - and only in benchmarks.
28. tech2 (Posts: 2443; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
The GPU in GS4 was from 2010 and it was well documented that it is a battery drainer but Mali have a proven track record of power efficient GPU. It was developed later in 2012.
OMG, if Exynos Octa 5410 was a bit faster than sd600 in your own words then if Samsung says it will be twice better in GPU department than of course it will even beat out Adreno 330 in SD800 no doubt that too without draining that much of battery with Mali GPU !
11. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
S800 doesn't have the best processor. Cortex A15 is a much faster than Krait. Tegra 4 has the best processor along with the best GPU. S800 excels in Perf/watt. That's why we are seeing S800 on 5" slim phones like Galaxy S4. But we won't see Exynos 5420 or Tegra 4 in phones anytime soon.
22. ollienightly (Posts: 37; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
You mean the exact Quadcore Cortex A15 @ 1.8GHz (and could never fit into a phone) is some how "better" ? And a GPU without Unified Shader let alone Open GL ES 3.0 is "the best" ?
23. ollienightly (Posts: 37; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
All things considered, S800 has a better/futureproof GPU.
33. tech2 (Posts: 2443; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
Cortex A15 is faster but a battery drainer thats why they failed to gain traction until the big.LITTLE architecture. Tegra 4 runs on A15s all the time so you can expect the battery life on that thing. Plus the 72 core GPU will not be helpful in anyway to conserve the battery as well.
Samsung released the GS4 with Exynos Octa 5410 after 3 months of uneviling the processor. Why do you think they won't do the same with Note 3 ? They can very much land in the devices within 3-4 months.
25. taikucing (unregistered)
Nah, 20% more power isn't always translated into more battery consumption. Perhaps samsung change the CPU architecture & fix the design failure so that with the same amount of silicon, it can produce more power but keep the battery consumption at the same level. You won't say that stupid thing if you follow the progress of CPU & GPU in computer... Remember how Nvidia GeForce GTX 480 is replaced by GeForce GTX 580? GTX 580 has almost the same amount of transistor as GTX480, has the same silicon technology (40 nm), but GTX 580 has better power consumption & more processing power.
8. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
I hope this has a working Cache Interconnect. Otherwise this too will be a failure.
10. Adithya7184 (Posts: 317; Member since: 05 Mar 2011)
watch-out snapdragon...new beast unveiled....exynos 5420 FTW...
15. flynfree (Posts: 374; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)
Exynos 5425 cpu + arm mali 628 gpu = perfect combi for gnote 3 with lte advance.
It look like worth upgrade from galaxy nexus I9250,
16. flynfree (Posts: 374; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)
Yeah, right! When you're not satisfied with the original battery and use third party cheap battery.
13. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
Based on my testing and review from owners . The LTE model of the s4 is smoother and more stable than the s**tty octa
14. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5646; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
well damn...Qualcomm, you may need to start thinking about getting a Snapdragon 810 out soon.
17. james004 (Posts: 486; Member since: 15 May 2013)
Wish companies were racing for better and advance battery just the same way they compete for screen and processor.
40. _Bone_ (Posts: 2140; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
But they are. That's what the new Krait, Haswell or big.LITTLE architecture is all about.
42. james004 (Posts: 486; Member since: 15 May 2013)
you are talking processor. im talking battery. someone needs to take first step, leave Lithium-ion alone move to another element, something that holds charge for longer, charges faster. that sort of thing. and dont say that im dreaming because Engineering universities keep making newer battery every year that is best prototype of its time so why not bring it in commercial use?
18. Thefraggot (Posts: 21; Member since: 09 Jan 2012)
Still no match to my laptop with i7 processor. ;)
19. Thefraggot (Posts: 21; Member since: 09 Jan 2012)
Why not buy a powerful laptop instead of this phone ?
21. flynfree (Posts: 374; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)
And put inside in your front pocket....c. o. o. l !!!!
34. cam-whore (Posts: 164; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
and which of the last samdung handsets actually fit in your pocket? Next question would be, which samsung handset, after exerting much effort putting in your pocket, doesn't actually blow up?????
35. Thefraggot (Posts: 21; Member since: 09 Jan 2012)
Lol !! The same things are said about 808pv or 1020pv.. " Buy a DSLR"
20. flynfree (Posts: 374; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)
Wish Samsung to continue their legacy of using Exynos cpu and arm Mali gpu for their gnote phablet series,
But wait...i'm still waiting update for my gnote2, it is getting antic. I think the best update it can get is klp for the next one and a half year, sad again!!!!
Come on, don't just make new one, don't forget to update the fading flagship expensive phone.
30. abdane (Posts: 478; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
no the Note 3 is going to get android 4.3 with the GS3, bro this is Samsung not HTC ;)
24. livyatan (Posts: 753; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)
This is pure all out power.
It is exactly what i was hoping Samsung will put together.
Damn, that thing is almost 120GFLOPS!
Folks here don't realize that the GPU of SoC is by far more complex and powerful component than the CPU cores.
For example, the Adreno 330 in Snapdragon 800 can do about 100GFLOPS while the four Krait 400 cores make only additional ~ 30GFLOPS.
Can't wait to see the Note 3 battery life with this.. but I have a gut feeling it will be good
27. WindowsiDroid (Posts: 116; Member since: 22 Jul 2013)
yah and it is have DirectX 11 which it will make Exynos 5420 a powerful gaming device!
26. Tsepz_GP (Posts: 850; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)
Samsung once again flexing and showing just how powerful they are. This shouldn't have any problem owning Qualcomm's latest, considering the Exynos5410 wasn't even that much behind the S800. :)
Excellent work Samsung.
31. Lyngdoh (Posts: 225; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
So, this proves that the first Exynos 5 Octa was half-baked. Doesn't it?
32. cam-whore (Posts: 164; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
Unless this actually help with the lag that Samsung (or Android) still hasn't solved after all these years even with octa-core, I'm sure this really is useless. But of course, this would bring up better explosions in your pockets... KABOOOM!!!
39. _Bone_ (Posts: 2140; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
The story of the new Octa is not the processing power but the working CCI and the hugely improved GPU performance. It'll be a beast.
43. yowanvista (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)
It appears that the 5420 can effectively use any combination of the eight CPU cores at a time if Global Task Scheduling is used instead of In-Kernel Switcher. Of course that's up to Samsung.
44. Sondae (Posts: 194; Member since: 02 Jan 2013)
I just hope it dont overheat much after a long used and energy efficiency like on snapdragon has. Still hoping to see what samsung has to offer with this new exynos.
46. irvinehooi (Posts: 4; Member since: 24 Jul 2013)
Exynos 5 Octa 5410 only run @ 1.6Ghz clock speed already have some slight edge over Snapdragon S600 which clocked @ 1.9Ghz. If wanted to compare side by side, both must clocked at the same clock speed then only we will know the result.