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New Nokia head wants the old Nokia back, Symbian and MeeGo in tow

0. phoneArena 02 Jul 2010, 09:48 posted on

Anssi Vanjoki, new head of Mobile Solutions, is in feisty spirits to reclaim lost market share, no plans for Android, but an N-series Symbian^4 device is a strong possibility...

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posted on 20 Oct 2010, 01:47

1. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Big plans for Symbian? What big plans? It's not just about performance, or the gui, or the security, or support for one plugin or another. It's the apps. And that is something that only Android and Apple has in respectable quantity - and will continue to have in the near future. What can possibly Nokia bring to the table that doesn't already exist on Android\iPhone? Give it up. Either do the smart think like Motorola did - join to Android - or be gone. Considering all the frustration my Nokia 5800 has caused me so far - I'd rather see the 2nd option occur - but because I'm a nice person, and because I'm someone who is willing to give a 2nd chance - I'll let them handle it. Let's see how this turns up.

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 08:09

13. digitaljedi (unregistered)


Who is this f*cking idiot ills1986?! You have a problem with one smart phone and the whole platform should die and the company switch to Android? Now admittedly I'm one of Android's biggest supporters, LOVE my Evo4g that I won at the HTC New York event, but even I know that Nokia is in no danger of closing up shop and that they will be just fine if they stick to their game plan that was just laid out. If you're that unhappy with your device, stop b*tching about it and go by a sh*tty itoy and become one of the iSheep. That should be simple enough for you to use. Jack ass.

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 10:03

16. ilia1986 (unregistered)


I find it needless to inform you that your post has been reported.

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 16:31

19. digitaljedi (unregistered)


I find it needless to inform you that your posts have been reported too. All you do is spam every article about Nokia with your whiney crying. Get another phone and move on already and STOP SPAMMING NOKIA ARTICLES.

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 18:07

25. SwagR (Posts: 8; Member since: 08 Jun 2009)


LMAO @ Ilia....U ma boy ilia but why do u keep spamming Nokia posts...i'm an Android user and very happy, so i just read the Nokia Posts without commenting...but u always comment on everything Nokia and its never positive...just leave it alone...if you don't like Nokia/Symbian just buy something else...C'mon...u know u need to stop it...

posted on 04 Jul 2010, 10:48

32. hcbarclay (Posts: 62; Member since: 20 Dec 2009)


whaaaa...im telling daddy on you!!! how old are you and this is a forum, where you can say almost anything you want...if you dont like it dont post your worthless comments for us to bash on...you set yourself up for failure when you do that

posted on 02 Jul 2010, 11:29

2. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


I love how they said "we dont normally drink the corperate cool aid". I guess they dont count the Apple Juice that they keep drinkin

posted on 02 Jul 2010, 19:02

8. wade1968 (Posts: 224; Member since: 12 Apr 2010)


I like the idea of going forward, with the new nokias'. I think it would be better to take an earlier phone,and simplifiy it. Don't rush into the new nokia phone,make sure the new one works as best as it can. Start today, new tech,and older more sold technology.

posted on 02 Jul 2010, 11:40

3. BlackberryUser (Posts: 609; Member since: 26 Jun 2009)


I didn't realize how important apps were to EVERYONE, but nowdays your either have apps or Blackberry has email. Althought I'm a big fan of Blackberry, I think they need to step it up soon to keep their marketshare. They're like Apple, they were the innovator to take mobile email to the corporate world.

posted on 02 Jul 2010, 12:20

4. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Nokia needs to develop a strategy to increase their share of sales in North America - specifically in the U.S. and Canada - they own much of the world, but if they never gain a foothold over here, then at some point it may be over.

posted on 02 Jul 2010, 12:34

5. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


That strategy is simple....build RESPECTABLE phones for the U.S. market. It's very simple, but they just don't. We get sh*tty flip phone after sh*tty flip phone and everyone stopped caring about Nokia like 5 years ago except the grandma with Tracfone service.

posted on 02 Jul 2010, 12:59

6. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


they try to develop smartphone phone - but the 71x and that other mini-smartphone with AT&T just do not come close...

posted on 02 Jul 2010, 16:50

7. thatdude1 (unregistered)


I still care about Nokia handsets, and so do many others. The U.S. market is not the entire world. Even if Nokia never gained a respectable foothold in the U.S., they would not have to close up shop at any point in time. They still remain the largest handset maker and have the most widely used OS in the world. And apps DO NOT make a handset the best there is, ilia1986. Only a fool would think so. Who cares how many apps you have if your handset can't be used to make a phone call unless you hold it a certain way? Now, that is a major problem that should be addressed asap!

posted on 02 Jul 2010, 19:17

9. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Apps are huge nowadays - do some more reading on the subject. That a phone makes a phone call should be a 'give me', and that is apple's fault, not AT&T. Ads are sold when looking at apps or downloading them to use. More and more developers are looking at apps to make money - it is becoming huge with smartphone and even semi-smartphone. Look at BREW with QUALCOMM and Verizon, now. Apple and Android?? APPS are big time....apps help make the handset better - just ask my ARIA - I have an app called aFIREWALL - blocks all incoming calls unknown and private and SMS and allows only what I want - you cannot do that on most smartphones and that is just an example on why smartphones are selling faster than ever.

posted on 02 Jul 2010, 23:46

11. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Lets NOT turn it into another "Lets bash apple" Thread. Saying that the iPhone drops calls is a very poor excuse to object the argument that the number of apps is what determines these days how good a smartphone is. Also note that I've also mentioned the word Android in my previous post. It also has a respectable amount of apps (which is constantly growing). Anything else doesn't have the right to exist.

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 16:36

20. digitaljedi (unregistered)


How dumb is that?! Anything else doesn't have a right to exist. As if every phone should be exactly the same! If your phone can't function as a phone first, who cares how many apps it has? Stop spamming Nokia articles you troll.

posted on 04 Jul 2010, 13:10

37. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


I think he just means that Symbian OS needs become more innovative than what it currently is. True Nokia owns most of the marketshare but that was before the release of other platforms like Android, WebOS, or iOS. So in a sense Nokia is relyin on past glory to function in the now where the "new kids" are gainin momentum. New OS's are makin a big splash in the US but its only a matter of time before that splash moves into Int'l markets where if Nokia doesn't reinvent themselves there goes their title as the biggest global phone carrier may be over. I'm not sure about the whole apps. argument but apps are a good perk to a smartphone. Not sayin Symbian should follow the whole apps trend, just do somethin that is actually relevent which IMO Symbian is not very impressive from what i can tell.

posted on 02 Jul 2010, 19:25

10. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


You gotta be kidding me. Apps are the reason Android and Apple are selling so well and that is a fact. It may be just one aspect of the two platforms but the app store and market are now main attractions. Think about the Palm Pre, the phone that was supposed to bring Palm back, but they launched with virtually nothing in their app catalog. And do we even have to mention the Kin phones. No apps at all, 500 sold in 4 months. That tells the entire story.

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 16:46

23. thatdude1 (unregistered)


The Kin phones didn't sell because of poor marketing on verizons part, both inside and outside the retail units. Two commercials do not help. And if apps were such a main attraction, how is it that Nokia and Samsung are the number one and two handset makers without that much help from apps?

posted on 06 Jul 2010, 13:38

61. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


I don't think it just up to marketing. KIN phones are not very original. Their whole technology is centered around a social technology which pretty much any smartphone does but lacks a lot of features found on today's smartphones so why would we go for the KIN? The specs aren't that great specially during a time where several smartphone beasts are poppin up everywhere and on the shallow side they phones aren't very eye-catching as far as their design. Just when u thought Palm had the worse design out there...here comes the KIN One & Two. Microsoft just needs to get on the ball with Windows phone 7 b/c Windows 6.5.3 & KIN is def. a sad attempt at a pacifier for those loyal WinMo fans.

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 03:57

12. rafael.roque (Posts: 78; Member since: 03 Jul 2010)


I don't know if anyone has made the connection yet, I didn't bother reading all the post, lol... But sure hope this statement clarifies where Nokia stands with Symbian and now Meego. As far as I can understand by research done on my own; Symbian is still going to be Nokia's primary smartphone OS while Meego will power their mobile computers(Eg. like MID, Netbooks and tablets). Symbian may be old, but it was made to be adaptable; thus the Symbian Foundation was formed to shape the new Symbian. Meego is new, and it is being developed for the purpose of complementing Nokia's entry into Computers and Software(anyone remember the Booklet 3G?). And in order for these platforms to co-exist and compliment each other; QT was aquired from Trolltech. The new QT Developing Environment is the bridge that ties Symbian Smartphones to their Meego Mobile Computers.

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 08:12

14. digitaljedi (unregistered)


And while apps are huge nowadays, their only huge in the US. I hate to break it to some of you but there is a WHOLE WORLD out there, not just the US. Thousands of companies thrive just fine without ever touching the US market.

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 08:17

15. digitaljedi (unregistered)


And who are you kidding Phonearena, I like your site, but you've been drinking Steve Jobs' kool aid, Apple juice and whatever other piss their spewing for a long time now.

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 18:15

27. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


"but we usually do not drink the corporate Kool-Aid" Keyword: usually...LMAO

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 14:53

17. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Lets not pretend that apps are some kind of new phenomenon that Apple invented with the iPhone. Apps have been around a very long time and they have been used for years outside of the US. They were just called applications. The geniuses at Apple just shortened the name to "apps", made them very readily available, made a phone that was useless without apps, them marketed the hell out of them until people only wanted phones that could get apps. If Apple or Google or whoever employs the same method oversees it only a matter of time before apps become a must have for overseas customers as well. Not saying that Nokia wont continue to well overseas, but how long can you ignore the change in the industry that these two platforms are spearheading? And why wouldn't any company want to duplicate the numbers these guys are putting up?

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 15:18

18. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Exactly. Apps have shown that whatever is embedded in a phone - can be changed around, replaced, or even completely removed. Now I think that the next step in evolution would be total integration of apps into a certain one whole experience. A UI that woulld include all your contacts, e-mail, media, social stuff, events, camera, games, news, etc etc etc etc in one place.

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 16:41

22. digitaljedi (unregistered)


Still spamming the Nokia articles I see. Get a life already. If your phone is useless without apps, like the itoy is, then the phone is a fail. It has apps! But can't make a call? Really?! Are you serious?!

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 16:53

24. thatdude1 (unregistered)


Why would Nokia want to duplicate these numbers when they surpass them worldwide? Other companies should be trying to do Nokia numbers. Lets face it, all you hate that you spew about Nokia does not change the fact that Nokia does huge numbers, is THE number one player in the smartphone and overall handset game, and that EVERYONE wants that nomber one spot.

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 16:40

21. thatdude1 (unregistered)


I agree with digitaljedi. While apps are huge, it is a U.S. phenomenom only. Nokia handsets have been dominating the market with very little help(if any at all)from apps. The fact that most of you here are oblivious to the fact astounds me. Samsung, for instance, is the #2 handset maker in the world, and that did not come about from "apps". Rim has the second most widely used OS on the planet, and that came about without relying on "apps". You guys really need to do more research. Are apps big, yes. They help expand the worth of a smartphone, but DO NOT make a smartphone great. If your smartphone has to rely on apps to be good(lookin at YOU, itoy), then it is not all that great to begin with. And idiot1986, if you can take every chance you get to bash Nokia, then why can't others do the same with the iphone? Take away the apps, and NO ONE would buy it. That in itself is really sad. What a pathetic piece of junk the itoy is.

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 18:13

26. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


Best friggin argument I think i've read on PA to date!

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