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New Apple invention could allow future iPhones to shoot 'super-resolution' images thanks to OIS

0. phoneArena 08 May 2014, 07:02 posted on

Earlier today, the US Patent & Trademark Office published patent application #20140125825, submitted by Apple. The new invention, while fairly technical, basically refers to the creation of a 'super-resolution' image that results from stitching together several relatively lower resolution snaps taken in a quick succession.

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posted on 08 May 2014, 07:08 9

1. DEATHSTROKE9 (Posts: 399; Member since: 09 Nov 2013)


Apple has constantly proven its prowess in smartphone cameras. The iPhone 5S still go head to head with the GS5s 16 mp ISOCELL camera for example.

posted on 08 May 2014, 07:10 19

3. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8306; Member since: 14 May 2012)


But doesn't out perform it.

posted on 08 May 2014, 07:25 3

5. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


Someone needs to push it to the limits and add a Xneon flash and use slightly bigger lens

CarlZeiss optics

PureView on Android phones superb

posted on 08 May 2014, 07:34

6. sip1995 (Posts: 825; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


Get a Nokia Lumia with pure view camera.

posted on 08 May 2014, 07:38

7. xperiaDROID (limited) (Posts: 5494; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


+1520...It's the best choice. :)

posted on 08 May 2014, 07:43 1

8. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


I have a L1020

posted on 08 May 2014, 14:03

27. zuckerboy (Posts: 898; Member since: 22 Dec 2011)


lol wait for new iphone...

posted on 08 May 2014, 10:23 1

21. DaMaster (Posts: 32; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


GS5 is the best camera and video on the market , I had hopes for the Z2 but it failed . My GS5 takes similar pictures as my Sony NEx6 camera which in turn takes pics as good as the Mark3 . and as you kno wthe gs5 smokes the mark 3 and sony nex line in the video department.

posted on 08 May 2014, 12:19 1

24. Penny (Posts: 1159; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


B.S.

I have an NEX 6 and a 5D Mark II, and smartphone cameras are nowhere near these two cameras. While smartphones can sometimes give you nice and clean images, it will not compare to these cameras at all in anything other than perfect conditions, and even then get exposed as terrible (comparatively) at 100% crop. Even calling it similar is a bit disingenuous.

Also, really, the GS5 takes better video than a Canon 5D MKII? 4k is fine and dandy, but just look at the difference between the bitrates. So much more data going into the 5D videos.

posted on 08 May 2014, 13:38 1

25. Ashoaib (Posts: 2116; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


This feature is like super sampling which chinese companies has already done... combining many pictures together to make one super high resolution pic...

posted on 08 May 2014, 14:16 2

28. vincelongman (Posts: 1190; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Yep, Oppo Find 7/7A
It take 10 photos at once, sticks together the best photos, giving you a 50 MP photo, seem very good from what I've seen, much more detail, especially when zoomed in

posted on 08 May 2014, 15:13 1

32. Ashoaib (Posts: 2116; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


But uspto will still give patent to apple no matter what bcoz whatever apple do is innovative and whatever others do is a copy

posted on 08 May 2014, 07:10

2. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8306; Member since: 14 May 2012)


OIS on an iPhone? High res photos? Ohhh snap.

posted on 08 May 2014, 07:19

4. Jobayer (Posts: 108; Member since: 22 Feb 2013)


hate to say this, but Apple keeps surprising me :3

posted on 08 May 2014, 09:41 4

19. PBXtech (Posts: 980; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


Patent =/= actual production product.

The fact that Apple has enough money to pay guys to sit in a room and think up things like this should not be a surprise. If they actually make the device patented, be surprised.

posted on 08 May 2014, 14:17 1

29. vincelongman (Posts: 1190; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


actual product = Oppo Find 7/7A's 50 MP photos mode

posted on 08 May 2014, 15:27

33. PBXtech (Posts: 980; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


And hopefully Oppo has a patent that will invalidate Apple's.

posted on 08 May 2014, 07:46 5

9. whburling (Posts: 14; Member since: 08 Apr 2014)


This approach...of taking multiple slightly displaced images in a short or even long time frame (still picture) is not new. the fact that Apple acquired a patent means nothing. What will mean something is if the patent stands up in court. I can remember research in the MIT Media lab almost 10 years ago on this very subject. I am sure that other universities also were experimenting with this concept. The very fact that the eye tremors with a high frequency, for every waking moment, is a natural example of this concept having been in use for millions of years. Without that tremor, you see nothing. This patent will not hold up in court.

I remember years ago when people were trying to print color images that looked good on their monitors but looked horrible when printed. the solution was quite simple, actually. we needed higher resolution images which were subsampled for visual displays and yet the full resolution used for printing. Apple's 8 Meg camera is more than adequate for the screens of a phone and fairly good for workstation size monitors, but totally inadequate for printed images. Higher resolution is required. I am amazed that people are not appreciating this
difference in data required for hard copy vs soft copy.

Usually, tricks, needed to overcome current physical limitations, don't end up in products of multiple generations. Especially when physical limitations are not based on physics but on current technology. I consider the emulation of high resolution by multiple slightly displaced shots a trick that will not make it. higher resolution sensors will prevail as there are no moving parts and resolution is increased on two dimensions, not one.

As sensors become smaller, you will find that light sensitivity, currently limiting increased resolution, will become a non issue as more expensive more light sensitive materials will be more economical when used on an ultra small sensor.

posted on 08 May 2014, 08:25 2

14. xondk (Posts: 108; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


Yeah, it is really really disturbing that apple can get a patent for this, since its already in most other phones, with panorama shots and such, that also stitch together stuff in one way or another, if the image is taken with x mp camera the image will never get above that mp in actual detail level.

posted on 08 May 2014, 09:33

16. androiphone20 (Posts: 1451; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)


This has nothing to do with the way panoramas stitch together images, from the patent described it involves taking multiple shots using OIS and merging them into one detailed shot almost like how burst mode on the 5s works.

posted on 09 May 2014, 04:54

38. xondk (Posts: 108; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


You are right of course.

I was simply using panoramas as a catchall about stitching, to point out that it is nothing new, and yet they still got a patent which is disturbing.

posted on 08 May 2014, 07:56 8

10. gabrielvoica (Posts: 55; Member since: 05 Mar 2013)


soo...pretty much what Oppo already offers on the 7a and the future Find 7....
of course they will market it as a 'new innovation'...
same old story,nothing new...

posted on 08 May 2014, 08:17 1

11. ErenJaeger (Posts: 117; Member since: 22 Apr 2014)


Yeah those phones already have something like this resulting with pictures with 50MP i believe. The difference in detail is very small. Honestly, it's a gimmick.

posted on 08 May 2014, 14:19

30. vincelongman (Posts: 1190; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


From what seen, the difference in detail is easily noticeable when cropped

But sometimes the photos also seem to also have slightly worse colours

posted on 08 May 2014, 08:20 1

12. nlbates66 (Posts: 298; Member since: 15 Aug 2012)


agreed, sounds just like what Oppo did with their newer cameras.

posted on 08 May 2014, 10:25 1

22. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3081; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


But Apple will be the first to file a patent on it in the United States. Which they will then use to go after Oppo.

posted on 08 May 2014, 08:23 4

13. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1144; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


i think apple is pattenting the oppo 7/a camera feature

posted on 08 May 2014, 14:41 1

31. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


Pathetic patent troll company

Wants to patent Everything

posted on 08 May 2014, 21:49

37. Hallucinator (Posts: 344; Member since: 24 May 2010)


You mean the patent that Apple filed back in 2012?

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:57

39. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1144; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


i dont know what was that 2012 patent. im talking about the oppo 7 50mp snapper mode.

it looks like the 'super resoluion' mode for the iphone- which they are patenting right now.

posted on 08 May 2014, 09:15

15. iMemo (Posts: 102; Member since: 22 Feb 2014)


Its amazing how you guys love to hate Apple even if it does bring useful features. If this was the same as what oppo is doing, Don't you think the author would have stated something like, "the same as what oppo offers". Learn to give credit where deserved.

posted on 08 May 2014, 09:58

20. androiphone20 (Posts: 1451; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)


A lot of people on here live to see the day Apple falls on it's knees (good luck with that though). That's the price you pay for being on the top.

posted on 08 May 2014, 19:44

36. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3081; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


If Apple gave credit where credit was due, they would have no patents.

posted on 08 May 2014, 09:38 2

17. shahulvm (Posts: 116; Member since: 01 Apr 2012)


In laymen terms, it is another form of HDR imaging and apple has patented it :(

posted on 08 May 2014, 09:38

18. livyatan (Posts: 692; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)


Awesome idea (regardless of who came up with it first)

posted on 08 May 2014, 12:18

23. brrunopt (Posts: 508; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


seriously ...
http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-latest-Oppo-Find-7-50MP-photo-leaks-and-video-sample-are-a-mixed-bag_id54150

posted on 08 May 2014, 13:51 1

26. rangoj (Posts: 26; Member since: 29 Mar 2014)


Same thing Google dose with HDR+ on nexus 5 - HDR+ looks like it has much bigger resolution when zoomed in. Something similar to OPPO-s superzoom...

posted on 08 May 2014, 17:05

34. SPASE (Posts: 84; Member since: 03 May 2013)


One example of HDR explained here

http://www.phonearena.com/news/From-dusk-till-dawn-Samsung-sheds-more-light-on-the-making-of-the-16MP-Galaxy-S5-camera_id55919

posted on 08 May 2014, 19:43

35. illusionmist (Posts: 118; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)


ITT: Bunch of people not fully understanding how it works and calling it out like Apple just committed a crime again.

posted on 09 May 2014, 19:55

40. roscuthiii (Posts: 1803; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


Luckily, this just appears to be a patent application at this point. So, nothing has been granted yet people. Untwist those knickers.
If, however, the patent is granted then yes, by all means, retwist those knickers even tighter; that would be some bullsheet.

posted on 13 May 2014, 19:36

41. DisCHORD (Posts: 35; Member since: 25 Apr 2014)


I like how this is all apple fanboys. Trust me: Nokia will remain at the top. Color representation is unmatched by any company, and apple is too greedy to want to use this... Nor would they want to use a quality lens. They are too cheap to buy Zeiss lenses.

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