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Netherlands court gives Nokia a preliminary injunction against the HTC One

0. phoneArena 22 Apr 2013, 18:23 posted on

Nokia has received a preliminary injunction from an Amsterdam district court against HTC as technology made by ST Microelectronics precisely for Nokia has found its way onto the Taiwan based company's new flagship model, the HTC One; the patent covers the technology used for the dual-membrane microphone on the recently launched model...

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posted on 22 Apr 2013, 18:25 7

1. lovenyc8 (Posts: 164; Member since: 13 Mar 2013)


Why should HTC have to pay for this? from the article it seems that ST
Electronics should be paying up due to them breaking their NDA

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 18:31 23

5. Luuthian (Posts: 247; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)


HTC won't have to pay Nokia. The article states they're actually going after ST Microelectronics.

The problem is that Nokia can still seek a ban on the HTC One as a core component of it doesn't actually belong to HTC, be it their fault or not.

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 18:32 22

6. Penny (Posts: 1653; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


From what I understand, Nokia isn't going after money from HTC, they're trying to get them to stop selling the device. They have pointed the finger at and are going after ST Electronics. I suppose Nokia does have a right to ask HTC not to use the part in their phones, but who knows if HTC even knew that what ST Electronics was selling to them was protected technology. Sucks, but Nokia does seem to have the right here.

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 18:36 13

11. windroid (unregistered)


HTC is just forbidden to use the micro that belongs to Nokia.
This all story is a shame, this type of situation should exist, in fact, ST Electronics is robbing Nokia.
Although I have my doubts HTC didn't knew the facts, they should be more careful.

posted on 23 Apr 2013, 06:27 2

55. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1163; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


all i understand is that some lumia 720 components are better than htc one. hahaha and they say the one is flagship....

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 18:29 12

2. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I'm sure that if Nokia wanted to play fair, they could just ask for a royalty for the microphone. I'm sure HTC would comply. They've shown a willingness to work with patent disputes in the past.

I don't know why Microsoft and its partners are taking a page from Apple's playbook. Thus far the lawlsuits Apple has thrown around have been among its least successful ventures.

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 18:35 6

8. Luuthian (Posts: 247; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)


Play fair? Nokia would rather see HTC choke. Nokia has it hard enough as is and HTC is pricariously close to deep financial trouble. At Nokia's best they'd probably ask for some absolutely crazy royalty fee that would seriously hurt HTC's profits on the device in said country.

If Nokia wanted to play fair they would be trying to settle this out of court. Instead it looks like they're going full steam ahead with the judicial system.

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 18:39 11

13. windroid (unregistered)


Camon! THEY ARE USING Nokia chips! It's like stole a Ferrari and say, how nice is my car?

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 18:36 14

10. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


I wouldn't say they're taking a page from their playbook. Nokia and Microsoft have genuine patents for new concepts and products and innovations, whereas apple patents something already common or seen as mostly FRAND and tries to sue over it.

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 18:42 13

14. shikroi (Posts: 187; Member since: 24 Sep 2012)


You do understand this is a unique and innovative feature right?That's like asking that they license out the 808 pureview's tech to others so they can brag about and whoo consumers with Nokia's tech. It's a headliner (Rich Recording) used to sell there phones. If someone else has the same technology then possible consumers who might be inclined to purchase a Nokia product because of this feature wont be. Not to mention since its also a headlining feature for HTC.

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 23:45 1

34. willard12 (Posts: 1722; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


You do understand that this unique and innovative feature was not created by Nokia, right? The accusation is the violation of a "nondisclosure agreement." That usually means monetary compensation in every other business, not an injunction. And that compensation would come from ST Microelectronics, not HTC. You can always tell when a mobile phone maker and a mobile OS make more money from patents and lawsuits than from actually selling phones.....apparently, even if the patent belongs to someone else. Then, Nokia still has the audacity to tell HTC they should stop copying.

posted on 23 Apr 2013, 06:46 4

58. shikroi (Posts: 187; Member since: 24 Sep 2012)


LOL
You could not be more wrong. Do you even know anything about the microphones in question? They are the only mobile device microphones capable of recording clear sound in excess of 135db. The HAAC microphone is a specific technology engineered and designed by Nokia. Anyone who knows about the 808 pureview (the first device it was introduced in) knows this fact.

HTC has taken this critically acclaimed headlining feature and are masquerading as the primary innovators with there " HDR MIC tech" and a page dedicated to explaining how it works. They have even received praise in reviews for something which they had no part in developing. I am sure a company like HTC must have known the mic's were Nokia's especially with all their engineers having to go through the devices components, so of course Nokia has every right to tell HTC to stop copying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8RHQC0eS_k

i.nokia.com/blob/view/-/1696152/data/2/-/Download2​.pdf

http://conversations.nokia.com/2013/04/09/make-a-lot-of-noise-for-nokias-haac-recording-technology/

"Nokia’s engineers found a solution to this with a number of innovations, collectively called High Amplitude Audio Capture (HAAC), which enable you to record audio that sounds as good as when you first heard it."

"It was in 2007 that a Nokia team began thinking about how they could create a microphone that could handle high amplitude noises."

" Following lots of test recordings and demonstrations, the Nokia team filed patent applications for key innovations in early 2009 and began working with suppliers to develop the first prototype HAAC microphones.

Nokia’s team continued to refine the technology before the first HAAC microphone was launched to the world, in the Nokia 808 PureView last summer."

ST electronics is the company in charge of making this component for Nokia. They had no part in the design or R&D of the technology. If ST decides that they can put there exclusive tech on someone else's device without consent from Nokia they should be sued.

posted on 23 Apr 2013, 06:52 4

62. sbw44 (Posts: 433; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)


So true!

I would also like to know what the reviewers will say now! especially after one reviewer here on Phonearena stating that HTC's sound recording blows Nokia's Rich Recording Technology out of the water!

LoL what does this mean now? Nokia's technology blows Nokia's technology out of the water hey!

posted on 23 Apr 2013, 06:48 2

59. sbw44 (Posts: 433; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)


The same way HTC had the audacity to call out Nokia's PureView technology the time they announced the Htc One!

Also mentioning that with the 808 unveil that the megapixel race was escalated and that more megapixels wont help you one bit which was a slap in Nokia's face!

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 18:45 7

17. Penny (Posts: 1653; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


In this case, I would imagine that it's more than just about getting money from another manufacturer. They invented technology that they hoped would give them a competitive advantage against one of their chief competitors, and that advantage was simply nullified without the competitor even having to engineer something better. Taking a royalty may be a more practical approach now that the HTC One is already out, but I can understand that they must be very frustrated with the idea of their competitors using the tech they engineered exclusively for their own devices.

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 23:52

35. willard12 (Posts: 1722; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


"They invented technology that they hoped would give them a competitive advantage."

As I understood the article, I don't think Nokia invented it, but just wanted the inventor not to sell it to anyone else.

posted on 23 Apr 2013, 00:57 6

43. Fossi (Posts: 3; Member since: 23 Apr 2013)


"microphone components [were] invented by and manufactured exclusively for Nokia."

Taken from the article at Enadget. Invented by Nokia and manufactured exclusively for Nokia.

Nokia Filed for a Patent on it 2009.

Multi-membrane microphone for high-amplitude audio capture
US 8233637 B2

posted on 23 Apr 2013, 12:11

71. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


That's only partially correct. The technology is exclusive for 12 months. Once the contract is up, everyone should have the access to the technology, but will have to sign contract agreements with Nokia to avoid violating patent.

"The same dual-membrane microphone is used in both the Lumia 720 and the HTC One, but Nokia (which co-developed and designed the component) had signed a 12-month exclusivity deal with the chipmaker -- a deal that STMicroelectronics apparently thought was only six months long."

Engadget, the same place where you go your quote.

posted on 23 Apr 2013, 06:49 1

60. shikroi (Posts: 187; Member since: 24 Sep 2012)


From Nokia:

"It was in 2007 that a Nokia team began thinking about how they could create a microphone that could handle high amplitude noises.

Together, Antti and Teemu explained the roots of the problem to me:

Most microphones have a certain dynamic range – one can be sensitive to the quietest sounds while another can tolerate extremely loud noises.

What is difficult to achieve, particularly in a mobile device where the component may only be 3-4 millimetres wide, is having a microphone that can be effective for both the quiet and loud parts of the sound.

The solution found

Following lots of test recordings and demonstrations, the Nokia team filed patent applications for key innovations in early 2009 and began working with suppliers to develop the first prototype HAAC microphones.

Nokia’s team continued to refine the technology before the first HAAC microphone was launched to the world, in the Nokia 808 PureView last summer."

posted on 23 Apr 2013, 06:55 3

64. sbw44 (Posts: 433; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)


Are you one of those people samsung paid to comment negative stuff on competitors articles?

Cant believe phonearena not mentioning that "Samsung acknowledges dirty ‘unfortunate’ tactics in writing false hate against competition"

posted on 23 Apr 2013, 08:58

67. eanpreou (Posts: 19; Member since: 14 Feb 2013)


please you're the one who needs to read the article again. stop making a fool of yourself.

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 22:26

31. PhansMuneeb (Posts: 371; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)


they clearly are not asking for royalties here but are seeking injuction against Htc One for using their technology.....

posted on 23 Apr 2013, 06:31

56. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1163; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


they not letting them sell htc phone because they used their innovation in it.

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 18:29 2

3. tadaa (Posts: 267; Member since: 18 Apr 2013)


I hope they settle the issue

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 18:31

4. Luuthian (Posts: 247; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)


*Meant this comment as a reply. Ignore it*

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 18:33 6

7. JojoGo101 (Posts: 211; Member since: 17 Dec 2012)


I understand this, but let's be honest, the One needs it more than the 720.
I know people don't doesn't even know what's Windows Phone.

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 18:43 11

15. windroid (unregistered)


And that's supposed to mean: since One needs the micro more than 720 then it's ok to rob?

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 21:24 4

29. xprimer (Posts: 43; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)


oh, kid, com'n. If someone stole yer property, is it okay and say, ok thats not a problem.

I dont thnk u can do that. Grow up and get some milk. . .

posted on 22 Apr 2013, 23:56 1

36. willard12 (Posts: 1722; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


It isn't Nokia's property, it's SK Microelectronic's property. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of a mindless analogy.

posted on 23 Apr 2013, 00:21 7

38. eisenbricher (Posts: 973; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)


No, Nokia comissioned ST to develop it means that it belongs completely to Nokia. A builder builds your home doesn't mean that he can let anyone live in it.

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