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NYT confirms Apple lost Forstall to move forward with an iOS design overhaul

0. phoneArena 01 Nov 2012, 03:43 posted on

It must have irked one of the best designers of our time Jony Ive to no end seeing that when you unlock his industrial metal-and-glass marvel, the iPhone, you get to see iOS the way Scott Forstall envisions it. Faux linen background in the pull-down notification bar, stitched leather notepad...

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posted on 01 Nov 2012, 03:49 20

1. Mohtastic (Posts: 19; Member since: 24 May 2011)


Love this news, ios is due for a giant refresh to be on par with the beautiful hardware

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 06:26 6

13. MeoCao (unregistered)


skeuomorphism or not? That's garbage discussion.

Tim Cook wants to get rid of Jobs's influence so he would find a way and Ive is a great card for Cook to play to show the "first in line to be CEO" Forstall the exit door.

By the way what iOS lacks is not this style or that style. It's multitasking idiot.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 08:28 1

22. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5954; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


I have been wondering what a new iOS UI would look like. The row of icons is soo 2007. Maybe they do a tiled UI similar to WP? After all, MS's tiled UI goes back to Windows 2.0 that was built under a license from Apple....

Nothing like going retro. GM, Ford and Chrysler did it. Apple can too.

Another UI idea would be to merge the Mac OSX UI? A row of icons on the bottom of the screen that can be flicked left or right?

PA, I just gave you and idea for a new article.... Give me credit if you take the idea and run with it.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 08:34 1

26. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5954; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Correction - an idea. Like the edit after posting fix, but maybe 300 seconds?

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 08:56

32. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5954; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


One more correction - The grid of icons (in the first paragraph).

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 09:12 5

33. quakan (Posts: 1223; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)


Dude, it's okay. I don't think any grammar whores are here today.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 10:18 5

39. Quezdagreat (Posts: 427; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


How come people who don't own a iphone always cry about multitasking. The ios is good with what it has

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 13:45

41. Commentator (Posts: 2495; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


Because people who spend hundreds of dollars on a smartphone naturally look for reasons to defend their purchase.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 23:19

50. DaNTRoN (Posts: 135; Member since: 23 Jul 2012)


My girlfriend, literally today, said "wow, your phone can play Pandora and do other stuff.@

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 06:45 2

16. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 867; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


How can they possibly simplify something so simple? I would think it needs a little more cool features and makeover to keep up with the competitions constant new features and tech.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 08:29 3

23. -box- (Posts: 3878; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Eh, I wouldn't say "beautiful hardware". Boring uninspired design taken from other manufacturers, yes, and aesthetically simple, yes, but not beautiful.
But yes, ios could use an update, but I don't think that'll convince the millions of users departing it to come back, and may only keep the non-diehards around a bit longer.

That said, it is difficult to imagine anything new or imaginitive coming from apple with Ive in full control of design. We'll just see more Dieter Rams-inspired shapes, nothing we haven't already been bored with for 5 years. The originals were much better, especially as they were so unique and interesting when they came out so long ago, long before most of us were born.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 09:12 2

34. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5954; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


I actually like the hardware design of the black iP5. I just think a 4 inch screen footprint is too small. And the case is too vulnerable to scratches.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 15:32

46. corporateJP (Posts: 1837; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


Word, -box-.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 15:30

45. corporateJP (Posts: 1837; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


Somebody please ask Phone Arena when they will quit giving Johnny Ives "favors".

For the man's sake, he designed a square with rounded corners, for which ten or more companies designed first, Sony and LG included.

This clown just ripped it off.

You people are so on this guy's lap, it's rediculous.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 17:38

48. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I am a big Android guy, you could say I am anti Apple...But I also think this is a good idea. I also gave this a thumbs up.

I think its time for Apple try to something different with iOS. Didnt they do something different with OS X a few years ago?

I dont consider myself a fanboy, I do agree with some pro Apple posts here n there. Something's in the air tho....cuz I have been agreeing with a few pro Apple posts over the past few days...lol.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 03:51 11

2. Katrina (Posts: 66; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)


LOL sorry had to laugh. What ever this guy comes up with its still not as good as sony designers. Go to Japan and learn what design truly is. Pce!!

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 04:00 5

3. Mohtastic (Posts: 19; Member since: 24 May 2011)


Whats Sony?

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 06:35 2

14. bipinm (Posts: 122; Member since: 07 Oct 2012)


The number 3 smartphone manufacturer from Q2 onwards....

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 17:41 1

49. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


The ppl that bought us the Playstation, PS2 and PS3.

They bought us the Walkman, that lil thing that was out before the iPod that everybody n their grandmother had back in the day.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 04:19 4

4. ryq24 (Posts: 535; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


japanese phones on paper seems to be very good but once release in the international market, critics tend to give only good to bad reviews. and they don't sell very well, maybe japanese phones are over hype.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 04:20 2

5. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 804; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


The topic is in regard to the OS design not the device. If what you ment was indeed OS?UX design of SONY in my personal opinion it ain't any better than what we see in iOS.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 04:32 4

7. tedkord (Posts: 5270; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


The topic was Jonny Ive taking over, and whether or not this is a good thing. So far, all we've seen from him is hardware design, and the argument is that Sony's hardware is a better design than Apple's (not my argument, his). So, there's no reason to believe his software design will be better. (Again, not my opinion)

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 06:17

12. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


+1
What we should wait for is what his minimalistic approach would do to iOS.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 08:33

24. SamsungWillPwnUrAss (Posts: 1; Member since: 01 Nov 2012)


Sorry, Katrina. Everybody needs to go to Korea to learn what design truly, truly, truly is.

Apple of America has failed you. Sony of Japan failed you. Bow before the new king--KOREA!

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 04:22 1

6. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 804; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


It'd be interesting as to what degree they'll tweak iOS since I believe simplicity is it's main strenght. I would like to see some kind of different theme to iOS, something like interchangeable themes of some sort. . .

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 04:56 2

8. kdealltheway (Posts: 94; Member since: 21 Oct 2012)


I actualy liked textured design more then "clean" one. There has to be a line before sterility.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 05:46

9. Aeires (unregistered)


"Let my people go!"

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 06:14

10. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


This was exactly what I was trying to say in another article. Jony Ive is now the overall chief designer of both hardware and software and I can see a very flat iOS interface under him. Tweaks here and there to make things look and feel simpler will put less load on the CPU/GPU so I believe the next iPhone would be even faster (not just because of a faster chip).

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 07:47 2

20. Aeires (unregistered)


Except speed hasn't been the issue(s) with iOS, features and functionality are. A hardware designer isn't going to fix that, only make them look more industrial in appearance.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 08:36

27. -box- (Posts: 3878; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Um, it doesn't take more processing power to draw an image of the same resolution presuming that the access to internal programmed color palettes are equivalent (and I see no reason they wouldn't be). Now if it were drawing a low-res image, yes, that would speed up the load/draw time somewhat, but not hugely so. But that would be the rough equivalent to the differences between something made in MIcrosoft Paint versus Adobe Photoshop.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 06:17 4

11. raymond71 (Posts: 7; Member since: 03 Jun 2012)


finally. .they will be able to copy everything on android-widgets,live wallpapers etc. and will call it REVOLUTIONARY and MAGICAL . apple sucks forever

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 06:40 1

15. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 867; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


I don't just like your comment raymond, I

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 08:37 1

28. -box- (Posts: 3878; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


You don't have to like it. It's their comment; either ignore it and move on or continue the conversation.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 07:14 3

18. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


Don't be surprised if that does happen

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 09:42 1

38. Googlethis (Posts: 170; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


And then they will patent it and claim they have been working on these new features way before android had them. its what they do and they what they do they do very well. copy-patent-lawsuit in that order.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 07:12

17. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


Lol maybe now apple iOS will get a change...

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 07:45 2

19. xtroid2k (Posts: 462; Member since: 11 Jan 2010)


Honestly. This may be a good move to keep apple relevant. IOS in the computer world should be collecting Social Security by now. I look forward to a fresh change. Personally im a windows phone fan but I really embrace competition. If apple can bring it then I'll take a look. I'll have to be really impressed to buy as WP and Android are my face right now.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 08:11 9

21. remixfa (Posts: 14163; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


John Ive... one of the best designers around? Are you kidding me. The guy rips off 40 yr old designs from other companies and then makes very minimal design changes year after year.

wow... what a hard frikkin job. He must spend minutes a year thinking up his new designs.

People praise other people for the most idiotic things. When Ive creates something completely different and yet awesome, then he gets credit. When he designs a rectangle with rounded corners .. year.. after year.. after year.. he's stale.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 08:39 2

29. -box- (Posts: 3878; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


more like minutes per year thinking up "new" designs... "Hmm, how can I copy what's been done before but in a way that makes it new and exciting? Oh, right, apple logo. Well, see you next year!"

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 09:40

37. MartyK (Posts: 726; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


I though I was the only one who saw through this crappy/old design, but I guess you been around cell phones for a while too!!

Here's more thumbs ups to you!!!

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 08:33 1

25. banjo (Posts: 2; Member since: 01 Nov 2012)


The reason why Apple is different is not because they do different things, it's because they do the same things differently from others. That's what makes them a standout & justifies their premium billing. Why change if it ain't broke? The current software design aesthetics is what makes Apple wow their legion of fans. If the page turning animation wasn't there, it would have been just another e-book reader without an Apple stamp. Ive has to be very careful and selective about the changes he may want to bring in. He can summarily rubbish skeumorphic design language...it's precisely the life like animations and imagery that make all iproducts so cool. The look and feel of the OS has definetely become dated....not the interface elements. That's where Jony boy should come in.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 08:41 2

30. -box- (Posts: 3878; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


There's no true justification to their cost. They're just overpriced and trying to eke out whatever maximum profits they can no matter what, even at the cost of human suffering in manufacturing and bored customers who only stay because they've overspent what they have within the ecosystem and are afraid other systems are similar.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 08:46 2

31. banjo (Posts: 2; Member since: 01 Nov 2012)


well....they dont put a gun or your head and force you to buy their products, do they? If you want to buy a BMW, be ready to pay the price. Don't argue that there are lower cost cars with better (read as more) features out there.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 09:26 2

36. Aeires (unregistered)


True, nobody is forced to buy iPhones, except maybe business people who are handed it as their business phone.

However, when you buy a BMW, you get tons more car than say, a Malibu. The engineering is on a totally different scale and the options and features are more refined. Take your car analogy to phones and the iPhone doesn't have more features and some are less functional (like multitasking) than other phones. Many of their new features are what other systems have had for a year or more. -box- is right, there's no justification to their cost, especially when you look at things like making $93 profit on 16 gigs of memory (that costs just under $7 for Apple to purchase).

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 15:00

42. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


But if a person buys a BMW... they don't end up investing tons of money in BMW only accessories lol. Main reason a lot of people I know don't jump ship to a diff OS is due to the fact that they already dumped a lot of money into the iOS ecosystem.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 15:13

43. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5954; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


"But if a person buys a BMW... they don't end up investing tons of money in BMW only accessories"

That depends on the BMW. If you bought a BMW convertible, chances are that you would want a wind blocker. The only way to get a wind blocker is to buy it from a BMW dealer. Same for some of the audio integration accessories. And, and, and. BMW has a whole line of accessories that are sold through the dealers.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 15:17

44. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


What im saying is general.. a person can always go and buy a Lexus or a different brand of car.. and not have to worry about what was put into it. What I was meaning to say is if you were to buy things in your car.. say.. charger.. a deck.. speakers maybe.. a subwoofer lol.. you can always take those out and throw them in a diff car (for the most part) rather than being STUCK just having to take a loss on what you invested. But that road goes both ways thus the loyalty.. Android users get stuck in the google play market.. iphone users get stuck in their itunes/app market

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 09:17 1

35. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Ah, so i was right again
:p
It will be interesting to see new iOS look, that's for sure.

But i think it's Matias Duarte who will do the most in the OS design field next year..

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 10:30 1

40. weinerslav (Posts: 126; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)


Honestly, I hope this is not true, I like the idea of a new apple but at the same time skeuomorphism made apple what it is today, no matter what you say, I don't by apple because it represents everything I'm against, but I love all the little details, and skeuomorphism is what gives the impression of being intuitive and "magically" easy. So, in one hand, apple have to change, in the other, this is the end of apple as we know it, somehow I should be happy because they will get rid of the Jobs heritage, but it actually makes me sad... Let's wait and see, maybe this is the stunt apple needs to keep going strong, but I feel that it will never be same...

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 16:24 1

47. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Man, that was a wonderful post.
I agree, Apple's overall design language is a triumph.
Just that the functionality is far behind that standard.

posted on 07 Nov 2012, 13:55

51. Zach31 (Posts: 1; Member since: 07 Nov 2012)


As an iPhone owner I can say that iOS does need an overhaul BAD.... I think we'll see one with jony Ive in control over it . Apple will have to change things up just to compete with android and windows phone 8. That's why they got rid of scott forstall because he refused to change .My thing is , Is that if they don't want people jail breaking just to gain added functionality and customization why not include two or three different stock themes and include more for the App Store? It's not like they couldn't do it.

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