Motorola videos show its new Android 4.0 skin
0. phoneArena 27 May 2012, 01:54 posted on
Motoblur no longer exists, so Motorola is going to have to come up with a new name for the skin it plans on using to run over its Android 4.0 powered handsets; it does have a resemblance to stock Android with a few changes such as an updated lock screen...
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59. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Touchwiz4/5 is nowhere near as bad as sense, even with Sense4 out. Sense4 is still jerky, laggy, processor intensive (though less than it used to be), and responcible for the issues with the camera and browser on One devices.
Compare that to the reviews of Touchwiz on the SGS3 which is getting nothing but crazy positive reviews, no camera issues, and the best browser marks in the industry, and its obvious that TW spanks Sense.
As far as this new non-blur goes. I' wanna play with it before jumping to conclusions.
61. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4174; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I have heard of no accounts of lag on Sense 4, except in the browser, which isn't even lag, just text re-flow. Nor have I heard of any camera issues. Unless you're talking about the One V, which of course, if you're going to get the low end device of the 3, don't expect to not have lag. HTC has done a lot better than last year with Sense 4. It's not as heavy, and still keeps some elements of ICS rather than almost entirely masking them like with Gingerbread.
64. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i hate to end your spree here but there is some lag in the HTC ICS Browser. i've seen it on a demo unit and the one i helped my friend's mom to buy.
66. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
really, you didnt hear about the camera issues one the OneX? You been living under a rock? Nothing like a high end phone that has problems keeping a decent FPS while using video.
Have you actually used Sense4? I've used it extensively. It still chops and lags from time to time. The S4 crapdragon isnt as nice as the exynos, but its still more than enough to push an overlay. The problem isnt the device, its the skin itself.
Its fine to like a product, but dont be blind to its problems.
85. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4174; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Ohh! I completely forgot about that camera issue. I read it a while ago on the One X review here on PA, thanks for reminding me. And I hope you're comparing the S4 to the quad-Exynos when you say it isn't as nice. That I could agree with. And no, I haven't used it extensively, just a demo every now and then, and I saw absolutely no lag on the One S.
62. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
...did you get out that what i really meant was Sense 4 was better than Sense 3? xD
i've been playing with it for a month, month and a half. it's freaking ridiculously good. it used to be smoother than Nova Launcher before Tesla updated recently. actually it kind of still is but you can make Nova perform faster.
67. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
thats great. Then it sounds like Moto really is listening to what their customers want which is always a good thing. Now if we can just get them to be more like sammy when it comes to easily unlocked bootloaders and ROM support.
Hopefully that comes with the merger :)
68. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
well someone needs to stand up to Verizon and it may as well be a strongly unified Google and Motorola. o:
69. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
its not just VZW. When moto had phones on Tmobile, they had crazy mofo locks on their phones. And it was ONLY moto and HTC that did that. LG and Samsung left things very easy to play with. Samsung phones on VZW arent any harder to unlock.
The carrier may want a "lock" on the device, but I doubt they stipulate just how strong the lock needs to be. Samsung has used minimum locking across the board while Moto has gone over the top in most cases.
Locking across manufacturers is to variable to say its all the carrier's fault alone.
70. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i know what they used to do but as of around Sep-Oct of last year Motorola has been unlocking bootloaders if the carrier would allow them to. the AT&T Motorola phones like the Atrix and Atrix 2 have unlocked bootloaders because AT&T let them use their utility on them. i THINK Sprint did the same. if T-Mobile would let them no one would even care because Moto doesn't have anything worth while there. Verizon didn't let them.
76. jroc74 (Posts: 5419; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Stock looks waay better because of the colors?
The big head icons where pics go and the baby blue in stock ICS...I dont like it. Yes, I had a G Nex.
How can stock ICS look waaay better ...when this could be mistaken stock ICS?
If you think Touchwiz looks better than this.....you dont like stock ICS then. So I cant see why you think stock looks waaay better than this.
24. DigitalMD (Posts: 226; Member since: 17 Feb 2010)
Motorola never listens to the community. Locked bootloader, no source code, no support for phones that are still retailing. No way to build custom ROMs , next Android versions. I would never again by Motorola. Oh yeah, aren't they owned by that funny sounding "open source" company... starts with a G?? , Yes, GOOGLE.. Shame on you Google...........
30. Sniggly (Posts: 7281; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Congratulations on using every bad argument you can think of against Motorola. The DROID 3 and X2 are not being updated because the update would suck on them. The bootloaders on VERIZON are locked because that's how VERIZON wants it, and VERIZON has final say. So if you're going to Bitch about that, talk to VERIZON. The buyout by Google just finalized on Tuesday. Give them some slack, would ya?
37. darkgoon3r96 (Posts: 7; Member since: 16 May 2012)
Oh and Motorola Droid Razzr's source code was released some time ago
It's just that development is extremely poor on that device, heck, all Motorola, Sony, and LG devices.
39. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the reason for that is their stand against unlocked bootloaders and the super tight integration of Blur has left most serious ROM developers go to other devices like the SGS2/3. If they change their stance in that area, development will come back.
53. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
well Motorola has already axed Blur services pretty much now Verizon just has to allow the bootloader unlock utility that i believe is already available to the Overseas version. o:
45. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4174; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
The locked boot loader is Verizon's fault, not Motorola's. Try doing some research before you go making assumptions and insulting companies, it makes you sound a lot smarter. People these days.
78. jroc74 (Posts: 5419; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Yea...when you said no source code....I knew you never heard of this:
And you had no idea what you were talking about and probably just repeating what you read on forums and around the net.
Every Android OEM...to my knowledge.....provides the source. What you can or cant do with it depends on some things.
Custom ROMs are there, just no custom kernels.
Sniggly hit the complete nail on the head with his first sentence..
80. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
yeah, where do they think recovery images come from i wonder. xD
i've found all kinds of workarounds to the bootloader in my time using Motorola Android devices. it's really not a big deal.
100. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 6496; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
What did you expect from a flawed oem like Motorola?
29. Carlitos (Posts: 408; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
I am really impressed with Motorola. Thy went from the worst UI skin, to what i think one of the best, maybe The best.
And about locked bootloaders, idk if its just Motorola, i think it's Verizon, because both the Atrix and Atrix 2 got unlocked bootloaders down at AT&t.
79. jroc74 (Posts: 5419; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Shh!! Dont introduce logic into this!!
Very good point about the Atrix and Photon. But ppl always wanna blame Motorola. Its more to the story then many of us really know.
That plus the Tegra 2 is probably harder to lock down than the OMAP.
34. theBankRobber (Posts: 653; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
Its sad when you read some of these sorry ass comments about how one lock screen looks like another and how a feature is used by another OEM but fail to look at it as Android ICS altogether. Im just happy Motorola is doing some great things with ICS and pushing it out. If you don't like it, you always got IOS and WP7.
40. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 6496; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Is that the best they can do? Typical Motorola.
46. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4174; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
What are you talking about? This is great. It's pretty much stock ICS, which in itself is a great OS, with some added Motorola custom goodies. Motorola has went from delivering one of the worst UI's, to one of the best. Though it's based on opinion, only someone as ignorant as yourself can't see the good from this custom interface. Even a Sense fan like myself can appreciate Moto for what it brought to the table for ICS. Try being a little bit more open-minded
82. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
he doesn't want to be, he just wants to troll everywhere.
101. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 6496; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Open minded to Motorola? Never in a million years until they change their crappy policy on updating phones that aren't a year old.
103. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
you're going to have a hard time finding an OEM that you actually like if you feel that strongly about that policy.
105. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
that's funny, i don't remember anyone asking you anything either. ;P
106. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4174; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Hardly any manufacturers update devices over a year old. Sometimes, if it's to update to the newest version of Android, but that's about it. Motorola seems to be one of the better with updates. They updated the Droid 3 and Droid X2 not too long ago, though it didn't have ICS because of the devices lack of RAM. They fixed a lot of bugs, and tried to make the experience as good as possible for the people who own those phones since they wouldn't be getting ICS. Personally, I would rather have a device that runs Gingerbread seamlessly than one that has ICS with bugs. Motorola is aiming towards Gingerbread with no bugs on older devices because they know if they put ICS on them they wouldn't be giving their consumers the best experience possible.
48. OptimusOne (Posts: 694; Member since: 22 May 2012)
this is as good if not better than stock
i love stock but i hate the icons
this is perfect! recently the only thing i liked about motoblur was the icons
now once moto decides to unlock the bootloaders, my next phone WILL be a motorola phone!
56. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4174; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Moto unlocks the boot loaders on most of their devices, it's the carriers fault that they are locked.
71. dragonscourgex (Posts: 307; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
Stop wasting time making videos to show us what it looks like and use that time to get it out to us faster:)
72. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
if you're that impatient just flash the leak. it's completely stable, i've been using it for a little over a month.
77. BattleBrat (Posts: 1268; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
*Screams at RAZR running 2.3.6* "SHOW ME THE FURY!"
81. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
leak bro, leak, could've had it for a month now. xD
83. BattleBrat (Posts: 1268; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
I am all for screwing with my phone, if I feeling is lacking in an area, but the RAZR has been perfect so far, and given me no reason to.
91. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
if i had to go back to GB i'd be lacking IN ALL AREAS! you have no idea what you're missing. xD
93. Rocksteady (unregistered)
since you have already tried the ICS on the razr, are we gonna have the wireless, silent, rotate,gps...etc toggles on the notification bar after the update, just like the ones that come with the samsung galaxy?
waiting your response, have a nice day
99. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5685; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
no, there will be no such toggles. the closest you'll get to that functionality being baked in is by hitting the settings icon at the top of the notification bar and most of the toggles will be right there at the top of the settings menu.
86. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 7030; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
I'm done with Motorola phones. While the RAZRS are the first to get ICS while the rest of us THAT don't have RAZRS gets it 3rd QT
87. BattleBrat (Posts: 1268; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
I agree that moto is milking it, it is taking them soooo long to release a lightly modified version of ICS? WTF!!! If they had a heavily modified skin would understand but they didnt do much!
94. techsavvy.jaz (Posts: 146; Member since: 07 Feb 2012)
This is as good as it can get, I don't worry about the icons, color schemes until the user experience is good. After watching this, it's hard for me to wait another 2-3 months for ICS update on my Atrix 2., and hope Motorola fulfills the promise..