Motorola notes disappointment in carrier delays, confirms Android L for Moto X
1. flexile (Posts: 78; Member since: 03 Jun 2012)
Yes! I knew I made the right move on trading my Xperia SP towards a Moto X. I really hope I see the update though, since my X is also from a carrier, and the Moto X is borderline impossible to flash.
4. jackwong64 (Posts: 30; Member since: 23 Apr 2014)
This is why I hate about Android phone... 1 OS per phone or just be patient.
5. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10439; Member since: 14 May 2012)
I don't know if you know this, but for every single Android update has been pushed to the Moto X first since it's release. It got 4.4 less than a week it was released lol.
6. AlikMalix (Posts: 5230; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Yeah, kinda same story as you, I had a 3GS and got iOS 3, iOS4, iOS5, iOS6 and finally iOS6.X.X couple of weeks before getting a new 5S, and all in between on THE DAY it was released. Now I got 5S and I got every update on THE DAY it was released, all OTA. Now as soon as iOS8 is out - I'll get it on the same DAY with the rest of the WORLD...
Sorry, just trolling... Glad Android Folks are getting at least couple of devices with that option...
8. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10439; Member since: 14 May 2012)
There's a reason for that. Moto needs to add their apps and make sure they're fully compatible with the Android build with no bugs. Personally, I rather have a Android flagship than an iPhone. Yes I may be a little biased, but iOS is still limited. Hopefully my mind changes in September.
21. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3689; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Pfffft. I know what ios users get in name of updates. Features are stripped off for older devices, and buggy releases on DAY ONE.
Apple is basically trying to show off numbers and superiority to android.
I'm liking how microsoft is doing currently with WP updates, if they keep the same track, then I'll give them the software update crown. I hope M$ doesn't do the same blunder like WP7.
30. adwienc (Posts: 136; Member since: 26 Mar 2014)
Buggy releases? So, when first release of 4.4 for Nexus 4 kept rebooting device and draining battery was ok? Pathetic fanboys, You say iOS is limited? Ok, maybe on Android you can install launchers, but without root there is nothing extraordinary. Jailbreak gives you tons of option and iOS has nothing to be jealous about, it's blazing fast (even on 4S which has 3 years, tell me what Android phone gets update after 3 years? Because as far as I know support for Nexus ends after 18 months, and GS2 is stuck on 4.1.2 which was released 2 years ago) gives you tons of option (tell me is there any Android device which I can plug my guitar, keyboard and use it as DAW with same capabilities as on PC/Mac?)
Just shut up stupid fanboy or answer to one of my questions.
31. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Getting core Android updates isn't as important as it is for iOS to get updates.
For instance, you guys have to wait for an iOS update to get any improvements to Siri.
Google Now gets updated all the time with new versions, regardless of what version Android runs.
Also, saying that 3 year old devices get iOS updates is a misnomer, because Apple deliberately cuts off or deletes features and apps from those older devices, often the same features they're trumpeting about including in the update.
For instance, when Siri became a core part of iOS, anyone who had a prior version of iOS and had Siri installed suddenly had to kiss the app goodbye.
Furthermore, it's only with iOS 8 that you'll be able to have a different keyboard than the stock one, or that third party app developers will have the ability to tie in some of the core iPhone hardware and software to their apps.
Game. Set. Match.
41. AlikMalix (Posts: 5230; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
iOS users depending on hardware get updates accordingly, Siri requires communication with "mothership" (probably so it would not take up memory space that we can use for games and content) iPhone 4 was not as advanced to carry on Post Apple Acquirement stage compared to its Dev. App version. It would draw too much communications resources to function smoothly/quickly (unlike its Dev. App version). This was all explained before. Other omitted features are partially for hardware's sake. But regarding Siri being pulled, there were plenty of other Dev. made assistants you were able to use - Siri at that stage wasn't even the best one...
Apple even went along and pushed iOS 7 to iPhone 4 even though its hardware has trouble pulling it - they should have given option to go back to iOS6 for folks with older phones (that I agree with). But I also seen iPhone 4 and 4s' that worked smooth with iOS7. Some apps took a bit longer to open but they opened and worked.
There were instances when iOS 7 had bugs and didnt work smooth on some phones at first, but it took a week for some and a few weeks for others for apple to root out 99% of problems. Today, I only seen one iPhone 4 in use that lags when typing in iOS7 and some apps on it take a while to load - but these apps are processing heavy with features to support today's tech not 4 years ago...
But I agree with one point, Apple should let iPhone 4 and 4S users to at least rollback at user's consent. But my point above was: There's a reason Apple omits features for older phones - imagine fully matching version of iOS7 that iPhone 5 and 5s got on iPhone 4 -- and that's why some features are omitted.
To be fair: I believe to some degree that Apple may omit some features for older phones to motivate user to upgrade. But Siri is not one of them - I used the App and I've seen Apple's Siri - other then a few similar tasks - it was a different beast even at initial stage.
Very good point, Sniggly, lots of it is undeniable.
53. tedkord (Posts: 10622; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
The fact that Siri ran just fine on a jail broken iPhone 4 puts the lie to that. Apple removed it because they wanted you to need to buy a 4s to get it.
56. AlikMalix (Posts: 5230; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
I actually seen Siri on a jailbroken iPhone - it took a while to respond, if it did 90% of the time. As far as your second half of the comment- maybe true, but that's just your opinion, isn't it...
48. AlikMalix (Posts: 5230; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Sniggly, one thing to correct: You said - "For instance, you guys have to wait for an iOS update to get any improvements to Siri."
If you use Siri on an hourly basis, you get to know how she is nearly to the core and how to ask for things to get best result (Google Now is better at recognizing speech IMO), but I love using Siri - she's incredibly resourceful. So... people like me notice changes to her behavior or any improvements throughout the year (inbetween big updates). So, NO, no need for iOS updates for improvements sometimes it's done server-side, and it's noticeable.
36. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3689; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Ouch looks like my comments really piss off some dudes. :D
For starters root access>>jailbreak access.
Also I know people who have a 4/4S, and how ios 7 crippled it by slowdowns and app crashes. And the worst thing you can't get back to ios 6 (where it ran exceptionally smooth). So if this is what you get as an "update", then I'm far happy with a working phone with old OS. Also don't consider me in bandwagon haters, I get it that some people prefer a phone that works and easy(that advantage is fading too). And I agree that iOS is the audiophile platform.
39. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I dunno dude, I really like Google's All Access Music. Ten bucks a month and you get to listen to everything Google has in its music library (which is pretty complete except for a couple of bands, like the Beatles) as much as you want.
42. AlikMalix (Posts: 5230; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
I always wanted to try Google's All Access, but I wish Google kept their services separate from Google+ like it was a while back - Google is trying to create sub-Apple-ecosystem, but their motive is to collect info and sell it (I dont care much - but I care a little). Apple's ecosystem is designed to keep you (some say locked in), I say interested to stay with it.
For the record, I tried playing iTunes music on my friends Samsung S3 and I had no issues transferring videos and music bought (and free) on iTunes. But just like in Android you cant take apps to iOS same applies to iOS to Android.
43. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
It's worth noting that Google doesn't *sell* your info. They funnel ads toward you which match up with the info you provide to them. However, third parties don't get your info, and certainly not from Google selling it.
Also, I'm pretty certain that my All Access membership is fairly separate from my Google+ info.
49. AlikMalix (Posts: 5230; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Good to know. I stand corrected on the "selling" my info. Just one question what credentials do you use to sign into All Access? gmail? can I use @icloud.com?
I know apple is trying to get on that bandwagon, but I want to try All Access anyway - I hear good things about it. Was afraid to get suckered into Google World... I like Google, just dont want to become a "file" to them (I hope you know what I mean).
50. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
You have to use a Google account, but as far as I know you can make up a totally separate, "empty" account to use so long as you have valid credit card info attached to it (for the monthly billing).
I mean, I use my main account for practically everything Google, but hey, you can do what you want.
52. AlikMalix (Posts: 5230; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Thanks Sniggly, good to talk to you, this thread is getting hard to follow (with all the posts)... so I'm gonna go troll something else.. (joking..)
45. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3689; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Lol no, it isn't about music content.
Apple stresses more on audio quality, I've owned two iPods in my college days, and the audio quality was great. Apple has successfully used its audio algorithms on iphones and ipads.
Not to mention the support for vast type of accessories(plugging keyboard, guitar etc.). Android didn't had native external DAC support until Android L added it. Not trying to get sh€€py, just giving credit where its due. Android is still my favorite for smartphones :D
54. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 1116; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
You have to try the M8 then, it also packs quite a punch. I would say it is the best out of the box audio experience on Android and could even beat the iPhones and iPods.
67. jackwong64 (Posts: 30; Member since: 23 Apr 2014)
I don't know that, and no one can guarantee that anymore since Lenovo bought Motorola from Google, and now Motorola is blaming on the carriers...?! But how come iPhone doesn't has this carrier issue?!
For iOS user, we always get it on day1 across all the devices(each iPhone support up to 3 OS upgrade as I know)
I am on an off contract at&t family plan, I got an extra sim card for $15 monthly fee, I really want to put my hand on an Android device, and I am looking for the Moto +1.
2. Planterz (Posts: 2036; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Hey, carriers gotta optimize NFL Mobile and their $%@tty navigation apps and lock down attempts to root and get rid of that crap, right? Can't let people have control over the devices they spend several hundreds of dollars on. That'd be unamerican.
7. AlikMalix (Posts: 5230; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
First of all, people have control over their Android devices (not trolling) - you can root (which I understand is easier than jailbraking iOS). There's also options to hide the bloat.
But you have a good point, why dont manufacturers and carriers push the OS update first then push their Touch Wiz, Sense, and w/e and Carrier Bloat updates (if they must) later?
9. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10439; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Because OEMs push the update WITH their UI.
10. AlikMalix (Posts: 5230; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
What I was trying to say, is to separate Android OS, from their own overlay, from their bloat - and make it 3 different updates. Push what's available as soon as it's done. I dont know maybe I'm complicating it, but for the sake of good name for Android, Manufacturer, and Carrier - I'd take the extra effort.
11. Planterz (Posts: 2036; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
They don't always have control. Look at the AT&T/Verizon S5 and Note 3s. It took months before root was possible (via Towelroot), and that's probably going to be patched (word is the Verizon S5 was patched and can't be re-rooted, but I can't confirm that). And the bootloader is still un-unlockable on all of them. If you're with Verizon, you're at their mercy. If you're with AT&T you're at their mercy if you want a subsidized phone and don't buy unlocked ones.
And that's where this issue lies. Carriers have their own specific versions of the "same" phone. The reason some updates take so long is that the manufacturer gets the update from Google, has to make it work with their phone, submit it to the carriers, who make their "improvements", submit it back, which might not just need approval from the manufacturer but also Google, and back and forth and back and forth. The carriers cause the biggest delays, because they've got to include their own crap and lock down various "loopholes" that could prevent them from milking every last cent out of their customers.
12. AlikMalix (Posts: 5230; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
I knew about the back and forth... but no root for months is news to me and then carriers try to counterblock again, is news to me.
14. Planterz (Posts: 2036; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Happens a lot. Remember that root is typically achieved through an exploit (aka hack) of some sort, and although that's great for people that root, it's still a security flaw that SHOULD be fixed.
Root is typically lost after an OTA update, and sometimes can't be regained. For example, the Droid HD line. Under 4.0, you could unlock the bootloader and root, but that was patched with the 4.1 update, and if you didn't unlock the bootloader before then and you wanted to root, you were SOL for a long, long time until another method was found.
Apart from the security issues, there are obvious reasons for carriers and manufacturers to try to block root access. Mainly, the ease of which one can screw up their device. For example, a Verizon user wants to de-bloat their Galaxy S5. So they start deleting Verizon crap like Navigator and their music apps, etc. Anything Verizon gets deleted, and then the user deletes the app that tells the phone how to connect to Verizon's networks, and all of a sudden "process.phone.com has closed unexpectedly" or some such stuff over and over and over and their $650 smartphone is useless.
There's a reason Verizon hasn't carried a Nexus since the Galaxy Nexus, and AT&T never did.
35. juandante (Posts: 463; Member since: 23 Apr 2013)
bulls**t. because if basically verizon authotized people to remove their bloatware this would not happen.
i dont know if you work for verizon but my guess yes to say all this bs.
40. Planterz (Posts: 2036; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Wrong, dumbass. You won't find a person on this planet that hates Verizon more than I do. If your head wasn't planted so far up your colon and your brain wasn't damaged from methane fumes, you would realize this from my posts.
22. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3689; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
A question. Can americans buy unlocked phones and put a carrier SIM card without restrictions?
25. DnB925Art (Posts: 963; Member since: 23 May 2013)
Yes they can. I have an unlocked OnePlus One on T-Mobile USA. I have also placed my old Galaxy Note 1 GT-N7000 on both T-Mobile and AT&T. However only AT&T and T-Mobile (or any prepaid MVNO that uses their networks) can do this, but you can't do it on CDMA carriers like Sprint on Verizon, since they don't use SIM cards.
47. Planterz (Posts: 2036; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Everybody I know with a smartphone with Verizon and Sprint has a SIM card in their phone, as did I when I was with Verizon. Not necessary with a "dumb" phone, but it seems necessary with smartphones (Androids, at least - can't speak for other phones).
"Unlocked" phones are, as far as I'm aware, GSM phones. AT&T and T-Mobile use GSM, so any unlocked phone will work on their networks. LTE is a different matter, since the phone has to support the bands that the network in question uses. But as far as GSM, and 2G/3G goes, yeah, you can use an unlocked phone on AT&T and T-Mobile and their MVNOs.
57. JC557 (Posts: 1321; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
Well many Verizon and Sprint phones are coming unlocked and can be used overseas with a pre-paid SIM. Some have inserted an AT&T SIM and found it to work as well provided the phone ships with the necessary bands.
29. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Yeah man, it was just unlocking a phone that was previously locked that was a legal problem up until last week.
33. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
I thought you was American?
Where from Sent?
34. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
Sorry, my Friday night, four cold ones in, typos happen, me bad.
I meant, where are you from Sen?
37. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3689; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
No I'm not american, I'll prefer privacy on that matter, sorry :p
46. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3689; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Hehe. You're from Canada, right?
3. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10439; Member since: 14 May 2012)
I kind of miss my Moto X. Verizon and T-Mobile seem to just let the roll out without any issues.
13. Carlitos (Posts: 500; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Honestly though. OEMs are usually speedy with releasing Android versions even skinned versions. Specially Samsung HTC and Motorola. The problem is Carriers delay it sooo much. It's ridiculous
15. Genersis (Posts: 217; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Seems it might of reached the end of it's shelf life here in the UK as it is out of stock from most retailers.
17. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
That just means the Moto Algebra is coming up like a freight train. :D
24. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3689; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
I'm waiting for that beauty. Aluminium frame, front facing speaker (mono) and Snapdragon 800... Ah I would be like "Shut up and take my money" :D
16. fzacek (Posts: 2486; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)
I hate how carriers have to "test" the updates for like a month before they actually send them out OTA. It's ridiculous...
18. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
It's great that Motorola has already confirmed L for the X. I'm very happy to hear that.
I'm also not surprised at all that the carriers continue to be an issue when getting updates out on a timely basis.
19. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
You guys will love L.
Exciting last half of year.
44. AlikMalix (Posts: 5230; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Aftershock, you implying that you've been using "L"? If so, share a few things about it, and which phone you used it on, features, UI, etc. I hope you're not just making it up - it'll be nice to hear from user's perspective then "journalism". Thanks in advance, bro..
20. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3689; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
What about my Moto G? And please some love for Moto E users too.
26. DnB925Art (Posts: 963; Member since: 23 May 2013)
Believe it or not, Sprint has been the fastest of the carriers to release updates, then T-Mobile, AT&T and Verizon last.
28. o0Exia0o (Posts: 895; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
Maby for other phones but not for the Moto X. While AT&T is just starting their Moto X 4.4.4 update the Verizon Moto X has had it since July 31.
27. o0Exia0o (Posts: 895; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
Wheres Mxy at? This is not truly a Motorola artical with out him trying to bash Motorola.
55. Landmarkcm (Posts: 505; Member since: 11 Aug 2009)
Got my soak invite for Moto X. So hopefully I'll be doing that. I am pretty satisfied with Motorola despite a few snags, I would say as of right now they are my manufacturer of choice. I hope Lenovo keeps up the same pace when they fully take over.
58. NIghtbaron (Posts: 11; Member since: 28 Jun 2014)
whats with the 18 month deal?
I was planning to get a moto X but now I am having second guesses about its long term future with its hardware and this
Now I am more inclined towards the nexus 5 which again is a year old but it has a better hardware and an update promise from google
61. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
*ahem* Just wait for the Moto Algebra. It's going to be announced within a month or so anyway.