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Motorola is Google's defense against Samsung's Android dominance

0. phoneArena 26 Feb 2013, 04:02 posted on

Samsung is a huge success. The company was responsible for almost 40% of the entire smartphone market for 2012, and a large portion of that number is from Samsung’s Android devices. It’s hard to ignore Samsung, and it looks like Google can’t ignore it either. A new report says that Google is worried about Samsung’s dominance and could be using Motorola as defense against Samsung controlling the ecosystem too much...

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posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:08 19

1. nikenturd (unregistered)


With Google's hatred towards sd expansion slots and removable batteries...It would take a miracle for them to topple Samsung....

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:22 12

5. jan25 (Posts: 418; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)


The mainstream consumer doesn't care much about SD expansion or removal batteries. Marketing aside, a Moto-Google device could do better if it had enough storage and a big enough battery.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:25 4

9. Hammerfest (Posts: 370; Member since: 12 May 2012)


the moment they get the bill for going over B/W... they do/will care...

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:27 17

10. nikenturd (unregistered)


why so hypocritical about it? people dont want extra storage for their HD films, videos, pdfs and pics?.....come on now...SD slot IS a dealbreaker to many...

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 07:28 6

39. joey_sfb (Posts: 3245; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


A lot of people I know transfer their content thru SD card since Nokia time. Many use cloud but SD card give extra storage on the cheap offline, so it's a must for me too.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:53 10

17. redmd (Posts: 909; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


well i guess im not mainstream because i want removable battery and micro sd.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 08:08 5

44. ivanprskalo (Posts: 117; Member since: 09 Dec 2010)


Who says people don't care for expandable storage? That's a big fat lie. I care, and all people I know want microSD card slot in their phones.
For Gods sake that is the reason why HTC is falling down. It is obvious and noone wants to say it.
Just look what Galaxyies have and One-s and Xperias, from last year lack: Expandable storage is the answer.
For example, I have my microSD card 32GB class 10 and it is nearly 90% full, which means all my favorite music, pics and apps are in there. How on earth I'm gonna transfer that stuff to my new phone when it has 8 or 16 GB on board storage??? (And of that 16, to user available is 12!!)
It is one of the reasons why I didn't bought HTC DNA/Butterfly, Oppo Find 5, HTC One X, and many, many other phones that I like... What am I gonna do with my SD card, throw it away? Well I will, just give me a good reason to. Let's say HTC One X+ with 64GB internal is a good one, maybe HTC ONE 64GB version (if it will be available outside of damn China).
I would like if xperia ZL comes with more on-board storage, but now when I know it has microSD card slot - now I'm again interested in Xperia line. That is how it works, let's not fool ourselfs.
And - no, world is not ready yet for cloud. Not with these batteries in phones, not until whole world is covered with 4G.

Removable batteries? Well almost the same story as with microSD cards, so I better not repeat myself.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 10:19

59. jan25 (Posts: 418; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)


i never said 16 GB is the ideal amount of storage, i only said people want sufficient amount of storage and they will be happy. i am not saying more storage is bad, it's just irrelevant when comparing devices if the storage provided is enough for most users who don't store HD movies on their phones. personally i would choose a Moto-Nexus if it had a big battery and 32 gigs of storage over a Samsung with expandable memory and replaceable battery.
Samsung is dominant because they produce the most reliable Android handsets out there with a great combination of software and hardware. most people don't swap their batteries and the ones that do will be happy with a phone that lasts them throughout the day.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 17:42

74. joey_sfb (Posts: 3245; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Samsung is successful as all my mate that use it told me the same thing, Samsung is the only brand that give them what they want, biggest possible screen, with the largest possible removable battery and a SD card slot. No one i know told me that they love Samsung plastic design or they can't live without the touchwiz interface.

In fact they are willing to overlook that for above mentioned feature. Ask Samsung whether they are willing to forego SD card in the S4 design..LOL!!

Google is the same as Apple on this they sell content, books and music, content owner don't like offline storage prefer everything to be steamed. Reason why i will never buy Nexus.

Furthermore telco is putting less data into bundled not more as its threaten their core business.

LONG LIVE SANDISK micro SD CARD!!!

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 21:55

87. Jillxz (Posts: 147; Member since: 04 Jun 2012)


I don't care for removable batteries. I will always choose a phone with a larger battery anyway. and if the phone has at least 32GB of storage , then I would not care for the sd card slot .

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:23 4

6. wendygarett (unregistered)


Yup, Google is a chicken as always, using an anti competition just to block sammy's victory :)

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:34 3

11. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3024; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


Is this for real? This is why Google acquired Motorola??
I thought all Android OEM's are fine tuned with each other. This can be big...big enough to burst Google's bubble.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:40 5

13. MataKiriSakit (Posts: 3; Member since: 26 Feb 2013)


This is a lie spread over by MICROSOFT STRATEGIST (the LOW DOG named MARK PEEN) to DISCREDIT GOOGLE/ANDROID

phonearena.com/news/Microsofts-Scroogled-campaign-​just-the-beginning-kitchen-sink-on-the-way_id37729

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 05:45 2

29. jsdechavez (Posts: 708; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


you're crazy...

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 05:04 1

22. _Bone_ (Posts: 2140; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


Put it like this. You own a restaurant named Galaxy and have a great food supplier so both of you are happy to earn money. But then the food supplier buys the lot next door and plans to open Restaurant X holding back the best meat and vegetables for itself - you are hardly happy about it anymore, are ya? So if you have any business sense you consider creating your own food supply and answer back to the threat at hand, and that's exactly what Samsung is doing.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 05:12 1

24. wendygarett (unregistered)


Because Google want moto patents to protect itself from disgusting Apple two years back then...

That's why Google is a chicken, and Apple is rotten

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 08:02 8

41. VZWuser76 (Posts: 1896; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


So this week you're anti-Apple & Google, and pro-Samsung? Would it be possible to have a schedule of who you're gonna be fanatic for for the next few weeks? That way I can prepare arguments ahead of time.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 08:10

45. ivanprskalo (Posts: 117; Member since: 09 Dec 2010)


Pretty good point. Nice comparison.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 09:47

53. yuvananda (Posts: 9; Member since: 18 Jun 2012)


Google's owns Motorola but releases its mainstay Nexus devices with LG and Asus, it seems sort of a weird logic.Google's not believing in its 'HEDGE' theory afterall.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 09:49

54. yuvananda (Posts: 9; Member since: 18 Jun 2012)


Google owns Motorola but it releases its mainstay Nexus devices with LG and Asus, it seems sort of a weird logic.Google's not believing in its 'HEDGE' theory afterall.

posted on 28 Feb 2013, 16:13

102. Jonathan41 (Posts: 532; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)


This is why Google/Motorola and others companies are not including SD Card slots on their device.

"We got tired of seeing OEMs include many GB of internal storage for music, while users were still running out of space for apps and data. This approach lets us merge everything on one volume, which is way better."

Dan Morrill, Android engineer at Google

I agree.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:21 6

2. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


I don't care if Samsung forks out Android, as long as they keep full access to play store.. would that combination even be possible?

Anyway, all I care about, is a good OS.
This can only force Google to up its game even further

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:25 17

7. nikenturd (unregistered)


SAMSUNG in-house apps suck....nobody wants them...it would be a terrible mistake for them to fully abandon the Play Store... massive exodus, myself included.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 08:19

49. VZWuser76 (Posts: 1896; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


Before any anyone gets access to android, the have to sign an agreement. In basoc terms anyone can do absolutely anything they want to android, fork it, make it unrecognizable, whatever, but they just need to understand that doing so loses them access to Google's apps. If they want Google's apps, then they mustn't try to fork android. So far the only company to do this is Amazon with it's Kindle series devices, but they had enough pull to start their own app store. Apparently the skins that the OEMs put on android do not fall under this agreement. Last year Google blocked the launch of an Acer phone because they did fork android and were planning to launch them with Google's apps, which violated the agreement. Google gave them 3 choices, launch the phone as is but without Google's apps, go back to a standard version of android, or cancel the launch. They cancelled it.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:20 10

3. _Bone_ (Posts: 2140; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


All this talk about Samsung, a physical product company threatening Google, an online firm is a bit BS. Android grew up with Samsung and the crowds clearly like it's HW-SW combo, generating huge money for the search giant. Android would not be here without the Koreans.

And if Samsung threatens Google by entering the online services market? Well, Google can only blame itself, because by buying Motorola THEY upset the status quo entering Samsung's territory and becoming competitors, so you come to my house, I'll come to yours is the proper answer by any profit making company.

Actually, shortly after the GOOG/MOTO deal was done several Android smartphone makers started developing an own platform because they felt threatened, so Samsung is hardly in the wrong here.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:49 6

15. tusshharish (Posts: 342; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)


only nokia (with android) can stop samsung ..................lol

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:51 7

16. maccess (Posts: 633; Member since: 16 Jan 2013)


lol.. but i believe it will happen if nokia jump to android..

posted on 27 Feb 2013, 20:36

98. 14545 (Posts: 1154; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


I can say for 100% I would try a nokia android phone. Screw their WP8 devices, as I hate WP8. But I would try it with basically any other OS other than WP8.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:55 5

18. redmd (Posts: 909; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


I think I have to agree with you.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 05:04 4

21. yahoo29 (Posts: 71; Member since: 15 Sep 2012)


Yeah i think only nokia can stop sammy if nokia make android phones if nokia really make anroid it will be huge success for nokia.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:21 9

4. platformwars (Posts: 82; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)


If google bought motorola as a backup incase Samsung gets greedy... then google did the wrong thing by shutting down operations in alot of countries specially Asian and African countries... I agree that Motorola didnt sell well there(I'm in India and almost 80% of the Android phones are samsung.. the others are Indian brands like Micromax, Karbonn, Intex etc.. HTC and SONY combined have maybe a 2% market share)..

But google already makes alot of money and if Google has the money to subsidize the Google Nexus Line so heavily that its affordable and cutting edge at the same time.. then it should not be just restricted to the US and brought to other countries as well.. in India GN4 is selling for 30k(Close to $600).. if they get the GN series in developing countries for the amount that they are available in the States... Android will not have to be this heavily dependent on Samsung in the 1st place..

But Credit to Samsung as well.. they really innovate.. like getting the Note series.. Everyone thought that after the first iPhone the stylus would be extinct.. but they got it back and that too with a bang.. having a stylus means having a premium phone now.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 05:26 6

27. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)


Exactly i agree 100% Samsung has earned it's overall standing as the top manufacturer period. That takes hard work and major commitment to your brand and your customers. Samsung has the best software and features solution ever on any android device. Don't hate the success Google should make sure the same blueprint used by Samsung is the blueprint every other android manufacturer uses. It's a sad conclusion that you can own Motorola and have your Nexus line and still have your doors blown off by Samsung and it's Galaxy S and Galaxy Note family of devices. Don't hate innovation Samsung provides that every year without fail and NO Motorola or Nexus device will EVER BE BETTER than any Samsung handset that's for sure.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 07:44 2

40. joey_sfb (Posts: 3245; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Agreed, Samsung and Google success depends on the part both played. Google software and data processing is second to none. Samsung manufacturing capacity is hard to beat!!

Together they propel Android to great height overtaking all rivals.

I do hope other Androids manufacturers will do better this year mainly Sony.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 13:45 2

67. Imbatman (Posts: 10; Member since: 07 Jan 2013)


I have the Motorola droid x. I dropped it last night on concrete when i got out of my car. It bounced and landed on its screen. No damage. I slammed the back hatch of a jeep onto my phone on accident and it merely got a half in scratch on its screen. I have no battery issues, no freezing issues, no app issues. My buddy has a GS3, Sure it is powerful, sure it looks slick and is slightly skinnier then mine. But he has replaced it twice due to it falling off his couch *with otter box* and screen cracked. And the second time was due to camera dieing and showing a blck screen. Motorola may not be number 1 but they are damn well better at making phones that work in the long run. FYI 3 years with my droid X and waiting till the new Moto X.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:25

8. pokharkarsaga (Posts: 365; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


What matters is play store for an os with latest & greatest apps.no matter no of apps.even wp can step up to be no 1,but due to apps store it will take time to be dominant.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:38 3

12. MataKiriSakit (Posts: 3; Member since: 26 Feb 2013)


This kind of NEWS is really amaze me. Why on earth Google fight with Samsung or vice versa?

This is a totally smoke, smoke screen, lies, damn lies SPREAD OVER by news site like ipinarena. This is the same smoke, smoke screen, lies, damn lies as THE CARRIER WANT A DIFFERENT OS/ECOSYSTEM to fight against APPLE/ANDROID.

To recap: The way I see this is, this is a MICROSOFT strategy to DEVIDE ET IMPERA android. This is the strategist like mark peen (phonearena.com/news/Microsofts-Scroogled-campaign​-just-the-beginning-kitchen-sink-on-the-way_id3772​9) would use. A LOW CLASS STRATEGY CREATED BY LOW CLASS COMPANY LIKE MICROSOFT)

I really hope the next time phonearena create a news like this, would also give a link to what Microsoft try to screw Google such as the mark peen link & other microsoft black magic link

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:44 5

14. vangeodee (Posts: 10; Member since: 13 Jan 2013)


Samsung has to be the biggest hypocrite of the century, even bigger than Apple. Saying they are on the consumer's side and is pushing for choice and diversity, and yet, they seek to literally own the smartphone market.

f**king Samsung. I don't care what you all think, if Google sinks because of the crap Samsung is pulling, goodbye to good 'ol Google Search, Youtube, Google Drive, Google Maps, Gmail and all the incredibly awesome yet free services Google offers.

So for all of the hypocrites here in Phonearena, may you all rot in hell. Besides, competition drives innovation; don't you all clamor and crave the latest and most advanced tech? Thought so.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:57 7

20. _Bone_ (Posts: 2140; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


Don't use words you don't understand.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 05:05 2

23. Tsepz_GP (Posts: 850; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)


A whole lot said, no sense made, and all based on groundless rumours, oh dear... -_-

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 05:16 2

26. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)


You poor soul. Do you work for Google? ??

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 04:55 4

19. lubba (Posts: 1311; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


@MataKiriSaks**t. What the f**k is this fanboyism bulls**t! Please stop!

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 22:03

88. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


Matakirisakit means right eye hurt in Malay . Stupid username

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 05:14 5

25. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)


This is a sad conclusion and pretty comical to say the least. Samsung sold 213 million handsets in 2012 those overall handsets made MAJOR revenue for Google and instead of being proud of the GROWTH OF ANDROID as a platform which never would've happened in the first place without Samsung. Google decided to become apprehensive which clearly shows that GOOGLE has become to big for it's britches. If they want to monitor any situation what they should be monitoring is why Motorola SUCKS MONKEY BALLS so badly and why if you place Htc, Motorola, Lg, and Sony all together their total market share would still be 15% behind Samsung. Samsung represents 30.4% or higher of the market share and why is that???? Because Samsung caters to it's customers plain and simple. Google has made stupid unnecessary changes to android that was not and is not conducive to the android as a whole. Case and point forcing your crappy ass chrome browser on manufacturers and trying to force this stupid on screen buttons on manufacturers also. Samsung told Google NO we will use the android stock browser on their handsets and NO we will use our home button and captive buttons on our handsets. Android is open source which clearly means that manufacturers can do what they want with skins and software on top of android which Samsung does. Google better open their eyes and focus on the real problem is it's crappy boring and dull stock android Nexus line devices that's not Samsung's fault that nobody want that crappy Nexus or useless Motorola handsets. Android was founded on these principles removable batteries and sdcard expansion that was the hallmark of android at the beginning and today I applaud Samsung for standing up to defend it's territory even against Google. All Google has done is over stepped it's territory forgetting that the customers who purchase these android devices make this platform what it is today. Forcing people to use cloud storage on devices with 8gb of internal storage is criminal to say the least. MESSAGE TO GOOGLE you better stand down because 40% of all android users who purchase Samsung devices are users who know exactly what they want and they know why they want it. You will destroy your entire platform very quickly if Samsung pulled out from android. Don't fool yourself android is only as good as it's top manufacturer and that's Samsung. 213 million smartphones sold in 2012 means that those customers are return customers people who have purchased Samsung devices over the years such as myself. I have owned4 devices and will be purchasing the Galaxy S4, Galaxy Note 3, and Galaxy Note 8 all in 2013. And we won't even discuss the home items i have like my 50 inch flat screen tv and refrigerator all made by Samsung. We won't purchase no crappy Nexus devices nor will we bother with your Motorola X phone device either. Samsung didn't back down from Apple Google better use that as a message because Samsung won't back off them either.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 05:47 10

30. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Introducing, the greatest and most ignorant Samsung fanboy that ever lived. I mean, really? Saying Nexus are crappy and boring, and that Motorola "sucks monkey balls" and makes useless products, you are totally deranged.

You say Samsung is the best that there has ever been, but guess who got them where they are? Google, with Android. Without Android, Samsung would be nowhere on the map of smartphone market share. The ONLY reason people bought Samsung smartphones in the first place is because they ran Android.

Google could block Samsung out completely, and would still be fine because another OEM would fill their position; no rational person would switch to another OS just because there would be no more Samsung, that was a really idiotic statement. If I had a GS3 or Note II, and Samsung announced they would no longer make Android products, I would just move to another OEM. I wouldn't switch to iOS, WP, or BB10; you know why? Because the primary reason I would've bought that GS3 or Note II would've been because it has Android, Touchwiz would've just been a bonus.

If Google were to block off Samsung, the majority of customers would keep their current Samsung device (but eventually get rid of it), or just move to another OEM. If Samsung stopped making Android products, guess what would happen to the massive percentage of their smartphone income? It would be completely gone. Samsung wouldn't even go downhill, it would just be a straight drop.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 09:57 5

55. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


It makes me wonder if this Richard ever owned a pre Galaxy samsung phones ?

I have several , they sucks monkey balls . Just take the Samsung Omnia 1 as an example , they market it as an iPhone killer , it clearly wasn't and far from it . Touchwiz sucks monkey balls , thr touchscreen is monkey balls , oh hell even the sound quality sucks monkey balls compared to its symbian and windows phone rivals.

Samsung wasn't good at making its own software , just look at their feature phones like their Corby 2 . I have one , I got it for free , its now in my drawer collecting dust its just so horrible compared to the Nokia Asha 311

Reading the comments of Samsung fanboy trolls like Richard you will think that galaxy phones and touchwiz are magical . It wasn't . I am now using a galaxy s2 . I got rid of toucheiz with cyanogenmod 3 days after I got it . My dad's GS1 now have trouble download any apps from the play store and the galaxy s1 is running the horrible touchwiz 3.0 instead of the Sense 3.5 in desire HD . Touchwiz doesn'thave the beauty of HTC Sense , yet doesn't have the simplicity and speed of stock android , kinda a no mans land . Oh hell , my aunt and my colleagues all asked me how I done it (cm10) . Most of them are using galaxies . They are just amazed by the simplicity , consistant holo theme and speed .

Consumerism and tech knowledge is good . Fanboys like Richard wasn't . All of my electrical appliances are made by different brand , instead of just picking one brand I pick the product that is best . My airconds are Panasonic , gaming LED TV (for PS3 ) Samsung , microwave Owen is sharp , Plasma TV is Panasonic , Washing machine is Toshiba . You get the idea .

I also owned a lot of phones from different brands , Samsung , LG , HTC , Apple , Sony , Nokia . Owning a smartphone is like owning a car , different brand of cars give you different experience , which fanboys like Richard will never understand

Last but not least , what the f**k about nexus device being boring ? You get new updates and new features (such as new UI ) first directly from Google . For example be the first to upgrade from 2.3 to 4.0 on the nexus S and experience android 4.0 first . That's not boring . Talk about design , the nexus 4 looks and feel classy . While the GS3 has apremium price , under delivers and looks like a bar soap .

Samsung didn't release source code for exynos . Making my TI Omap powered i9100G actually smoother than i9100 on cyanogenmod 10 and my i9100G is the first to receive it . Also the exynos has an security exploit , don't you forget . My friend sold of his GS3 and bought a Xperia T after tired of waiting the nexus 4 . Flashed it with cyanogen 10.1 the day he bought it . Also what he said : "Samsung's 2012 Flagship is a joke

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 10:33 2

61. lovefist (unregistered)


Oh I know how you feel. I had a Samsung corby pro, galaxy mini and now galaxy s2, corby pro sucked donkey's a$$. Rooted my s2 and installed cm to replace the ugly touchwiz as soon as i got home lol. Used moto lg nokia but no sony/se yet. Now I regret getting s2, wished I went with Xperia S that time. The plastic back is really turning me off. And I hate cases for phones.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 18:37

78. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


When I bought it the Xperia S wasn't out yet .
But I like the GS2 , its ahead of its time , aged well (compared with HTC Sensation or Xperia Arc even iPhone 4S) . It can hold its own against GS3 . My cm10 i9100G launch stock apps just as fast as a stock jelly bean galaxy s3 .
I really liked the xperia S design , but overall not really .
The capacitive buttons are stupid , camera just mediocre , screen is washed out and more dev support on the GS2 .
One of the downside of the GS2 is the display , the screen on my iPod touch 4G looks a lot sharper and better

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 16:32

71. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I doubt he had a win mo Samsung. I also had the Omnia 1...and its one of the reasons I ran head first to Android. The experience was so bad...I almost got the iPhone. And I thought I needed a physical keyboard. So I thank the Omnia 1 for making me get the Droid 1.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 18:41 1

80. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


They say resistive touch screen is bad well it is . But my n97 is so sensitive , heck even my 5800 (a cheaper phone ) have a better touch screen than omnia 1 .
Touchwiz 2.0 is just terrible compared with stock WinMo or HTC TouchFlo .
Instead of touching the screen on the omnia 1 you have to literally give it a good knock !

posted on 27 Feb 2013, 04:51 1

95. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Yeah, Richard is just blindly loving Samsung.

I switched from a HTC Amaze to a Galaxy S2, and I regret it. The Amaze was the most solid and nice looking device I have ever held, even more so than any iPhone, and I swapped it out for textured plastic.

Don't even get me started on Touchwiz. It was practically unbearable. I got CM10 on my GS2, but sadly it bricked about a month later so I got a replacement and now I'm just running Nova Launcher. Sense 3, no matter how bloated it was, was much more appealing to me than Touchwiz on the GS2. The only Touchwiz I find to be good is the Nature UX on the GS3 and Note II.

The only thing Samsung could have other OEMs is software, but even now Samsung is being caught up on in that area. If Samsung gets lazy in software this year, and they keep the same design elements (glossy and rounded plastic) in the GS4, they're going to be indisputably surpassed in quality. However, they'll still get sales by riding on their popularity, just like Apple does.

posted on 27 Feb 2013, 05:10

96. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


I always wanted a sensation XE lol . You came from the different direction . Is that the tmobile version of the s2 ?
Sense is bloated , but it's beautiful . It makes you wanna unlock your phone and look at the weather clock when you have nothing to do . Also its very polished .
I don't like touchwiz nature also , the looks of it makes me wanna vomit after a month .

posted on 27 Feb 2013, 06:35 1

97. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Yeah, the T-Mobile S2 with the Snapdragon S3 and 4.5" display, so thankfully I wasn't threatened by the Exynos exploit, and plus the Exynos didn't hold up much after the ICS update. My friend had a Galaxy S2 on AT&T (Exynos variant) and even though it was slightly faster on 2.3, once he got the update to 4.0 it started to get sluggish while mine actually got faster.

I loved Sense just for its eye candy and enhanced customization. It was so nice to look at and I could have it anyway I wanted it, whereas Touchwiz was just ugly.

I like Nature UX because it's more minimal and polished than the previous Touchwiz, at least in the launcher.

Anyways, switching to Samsung was probably the worst decision I've made, and I've practically sworn off Samsung now and can't wait until April when I get my upgrade, and hopefully by then the HTC One will be on T-Mobile which I will undoubtedly be getting unless the GS4 impresses me in design and build quality.

posted on 28 Feb 2013, 01:07

99. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


You should get an unlocked phone and use prepaid . Its cheaper .
Oh yeah , exynos is overrated

posted on 28 Feb 2013, 12:47

101. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1635; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


touchwiz WAS horrible but recently it has come into its own and this is part of the reason more people are buying samsung devices than ever...

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 18:23

75. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)


I can't help but laugh your SO CONFUSED and misguided it's people like you that brings down the entire platform. How easily we all forget when android was NOTHING more than three years ago. If it wasn't for T-mobile android wouldn't even exist nobody wanted to take a chance on android as a platform as far as the carriers were concerned. Now all of a sudden GOOGLE has it's ass on it's shoulder acting like someone owes them something which nobody does. Android is open source and Samsung plays by the rules based on that. Google pays them 10% ans Samsung owns 40% market share and everyone purchases their products that must mean something. If it wasn't for Samsung and all those 213 millions devices sold and brought by various people Google wouldn't be where they are today. People who own Samsung devices own them because they are the best manufactuerer they have the best software and features on any handset as well as good services installed on all Samsung products. Your only fool yourself thinking Samsung counldn't create the same thing Google has done. Bottomline here Samsung is android and rather you decide to purchase Samsung products or not ''WHO CARES'' They are still the number 1 manufacturer period. Google should focus on it's dying Motorola devices and poor battery life Nexus line. Those devices are nothing to write home and tell anyone about that's for sure.

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 18:47 2

81. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


Bro , Samsung products are decent at best .
Its marketing , all about marketing .

Mainstream consumers are less tech advanced , they don't know s**t . Samsung copied apple marketing technique and it works well , every mall you see a smasung store with display units for you to play with .

Hell , when I say android vs apple there are gonna like wtf is that ? but when i say apple vs Samsung they get all exicted and saying Samsung is cool apple wasn't , why ? Marketing , they market Galaxies as iPhone killers , instead of marketing it as a good product on its own , and it somehow delivers .

A lot of galaxy S owners actually wanted an iPhone

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 18:58 1

82. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


You seem to forget that after the Droid 1, Android took off. Yea....the Motorola Droid 1. Let's give Verizon Droid marketing and a good phone some credit too. HTC and the EVO....can't forget about that.

Fanboyism is a disease...

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 19:03 1

84. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


The droid one wasn't released globally

posted on 26 Feb 2013, 19:02

83. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


Smasung is literally riding piggyback on apple's succuss . The iPhone and gs1/2 are indeed very similar . They are like I phones with freedom.

Other OEMS like sony are started to become more dev friendly . HTC have amazing design and the polish of sense that Samsung don't . Speakers on the xperia will blow the tiny speakers on the GS3 away (although the note 2 speakers are actually quite good )

I would be happier with a galaxy nexus than the GS2 #regrets . I have fallen for Samsung's marketing where the GNexus never had a commercial in Malaysia and is hard to get . Nexus Devices are just awesome , great value for money and first to receive updates so its not boring like you claim it is

posted on 27 Feb 2013, 04:39 1

94. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


No. You're thinking like the typical hardcore Apple fanboy.

SALES =/= QUALITY

The Android device that put Samsung on the map in Android market share was the original Galaxy S, and that's because it was almost identical to the iPhone due to Samsung's design (not including U.S variants) and Touchwiz UI. Then the Galaxy S2 came along, and even though it differentiated itself more, it was still relatively similar to the iPhone for the same reasons as the Galaxy S, though larger. The Galaxy S3 was Samsung's first flagship device to completely separate itself from the iPhone, and that was only because it was designed by Apple's lawyers and because of the redesigned Touchwiz, which was the only Touchwiz I actually liked anyways.

You say Samsung is best because of sales, so by your logic the iPhone is one of, if not THE best smartphone out there?

Yes, Samsung has great software, but not the best. The ONLY thing that's good about Samsung's devices are software (only Touchwiz Nature UI) and specs, otherwise they are mediocre. And the specs advantage is gone as of 2013, because processors are so damn fast now that performance is negligible regardless of what you do with it, and will always be on par with one another.

Samsung would be nothing in the smartphone industry without Android, that's a fact. Google could ban Samsung from making another Android product, and you know, about 90% (if not more) of Samsung users would still stay with Android, and other OEMs would take Samsung's place VERY easily. No one (or at least a very minuscule number) is staying with Android solely because of Samsung. You could hand any Samsung user, except for you hardcore fan boys of course, any other high end Android device and they would be entirely happy with it, if not even more happy than they were with their Samsung device.

You know, I think you are one of the first that I've legitimately called a fanboy; I think I've only called about 3 other people that before. Nice job, it takes a lot of ignorance and blind illogical statements to do that.

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