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Motorola argues that Android fragmentation is a good thing

0. phoneArena 09 Mar 2011, 00:11 posted on

Critics and competitors have claimed that Android's fragmented device market makes for a weaker operating system overall, but Motorola's Christy Wyatt argues that variety is one of Android's greatest strengths...

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posted on 09 Mar 2011, 00:30 9

1. Sniggly (Posts: 6695; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


On fragmentation: it is an essential consequence of Android's policy, and actually of a free market overall. After all, with a controlled market you may get quality control and things may be "safer," but innovation is stifled and people are left with lack of choice, and if things get bad enough, those in control try to tell the people what they want.

With a free market, sure, there's going to be some crap, but people are free to ignore it if they will. If it's overpriced crap, then it won't be bought. If it's underpriced crap, it will be bought but then discarded and forgotten in favor of better quality. And the end result is that even the highest prices are competitive with anything a controlled market could produce, as a natural consequence instead of a begrudging move.

While I'm not a fan of the low end Android devices Motorola has pushed out (which mainly seem to be leftover designs from the pre Sanjay Jha era) their mid range and higher devices have ranged from adequate to awesome. And their attitude toward their customers, that of being EXTREMELY tolerant to those who mess with their phones, has been a mark of, if not incredible integrity, then at least very smart business.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 11:23 2

19. snowgator (Posts: 3187; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


No way to say it better. Fragmentation isn't bad. Motorola fans tend to stick to motorola, HTC fans tend to stick to those. They understand and enjoy those style phones, or will go somewhere else until they find one they do. As for iPhone fans, they love their style of phone, and stick to that without caring what Droid phones do anyways, just like Moto users couldn't care less how to operate HTC Sense layouts. It is about taste. Android is attempting to upgrade security which is the largest disadvantage of the fragmentation (in my humble opinion), and as long as each user is aware of that, who can be against choice? More phones, more competition, hopefully more competitive prices and features. (Even iPhone fans want to pay less, don't ya?)

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 12:37 3

24. Ak (unregistered)


Possibly the best comment I've ever read on this website. Kudos to you, sir.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 15:24 2

26. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)


It's not bad at all...but it does suck when you're trying to get developers to make apps for your OS. Plus, even if you make it for a certain resolution, you don't have the luxury of being able to be seen by ALL Android users. Just the ones you decide to deliver to. Again, it's not bad thing for end users, but for developers, it can be kind of a nightmare...

I still like the WP7 way of doing things (I can't believe I'm saying that). The manufacturers have certain liberties with the phone (adding keyboard, screen size, screen technology, form factor), but the resolution and internals have a standard. The LG Quantum's screen is physically smaller than the Samsung Focus, but they have the same resolution. That gives end users a choice in their phone and give developers a bit of ease in creating apps.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 00:32 4

2. Jeromeo (Posts: 135; Member since: 11 Jan 2010)


Fragmentation is SOOO great for Motorola that when they announced that most of its T-Mobile devices would not receive updates (as promised) past 1.6 that T-Mobile had to bite the bullet and offer up steep incentives, early upgrades, and apologies to its disgruntled customers.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 00:56 6

3. Sniggly (Posts: 6695; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Hence what I was talking about with its lower end devices.

I would be scared to see phones like the Cliq try to run with Flash and everything anyway. By the time the update would've rolled out, the phones would've been completely obsolete anyway.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 01:07 4

4. Sniggly (Posts: 6695; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Good Christ, will you people stop downthumbing every cotton picking thing you possibly disagree with and actually GIVE YOUR OWN OPINIONS FOR A CHANGE?!

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 01:39 3

5. clevername (Posts: 1428; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)


I had to thumb you up to even that out. You made some good points. I can't say I've always agreed with your comments here or that I'm an android fan( leven though I own an N1) but what you said Is mostly correct. Although I disagree with miss Wyatt on her assumption that fragmentation is an advantage, I believe it is a weakness that can be used to create innovation.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 01:48 5

8. Sniggly (Posts: 6695; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


You are a gentleman(woman? Clever names are strangely androgynous). Thank you; you didn't have to thumb me up, I don't care if the red mark of death is next to my name. I just hate that people do that and then don't say anything to give a reason why my comment was so horrible.

And I like your attitude that disagreements on some issues don't make us enemies. I don't view fragmentation as a weakness. It's a consequence, but it's up to those who deal with it to turn it into something good or bad. It would only be a true weakness if EVERY Android device sucked and support for the OS was absolutely nonexistent.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 15:28

27. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)


I thumbed you up too dude...disagreeing and saying your comment is shit are two different things...hope you stay around...

posted on 10 Mar 2011, 21:14

33. downphoenix (Posts: 2266; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


Android 2.2 doesnt mean Flash. Flash is only loaded on phones that are compatible with Flash based on specs. Theres a few 2.2 handsets that have no Flash support. Android 2.2 is actually more lightweight than 2.1 or 1.6 and likely would run better than those versions on the older handsets. The fact of the matter is, Motorola, HTC, Samsung, etc. dont care about the old handsets and dont want to waste resources on supporting them, so they wont release OS updates. The only way such a handset will get an OS update if its to avert cries of recalls by purchasers of the devices (like I suspect was the case with 2.2 updates for devices like the Samsung Intercept, a device that seemingly only got the update because of how terrible it was to fix the problems enough to where it wouldnt be recalled or allow upgrades to a new phone early for owners of that phone, which would have been much more expensive).

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 01:40 5

6. giantgnome (Posts: 67; Member since: 11 Feb 2011)


iOS has its own fragmentation issues. Some of the earliest iphones are no longer supported by apple so if you own and still use one of those phones you are SOL for the newer apps. It's not as bad as android but to think it doesn't exist is delusional.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 01:47 6

7. djm22 (Posts: 27; Member since: 09 Feb 2011)


Well it seems like some people forget really quick that these phones are like micro computers and just like computers you have fast ones with everything and ones that are entry level computers that are just fast enough to run somethings and do simple things that you want them to so why is it so hard to understand that they would be any different ?

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 01:50 3

9. Sniggly (Posts: 6695; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


THANK.

YOU.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 03:35 4

10. BaiGanyo (Posts: 308; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)


Just wait till ios growth totally stalls and they launch some mini device on Tracfone etc Then we'll hear all the reasons theirs isn't fragmentation, but a planned diversification and how its good that they dreamed it up, ha ha.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 07:26 2

11. Shantanu Paul (unregistered)


So fragment hardware at different prices. Why fragment different versions of software ? Moto's claim is not justified given that their high-end phones like the Milestone & Defy are still running two-generation old OS.

These manufacturers just want people to upgrade as soon as a newer version of software comes up even if their devices are capable enough.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 07:44 2

12. Rich (unregistered)


The fact that so many companies make droid devices is GREAT!!!


R u kidding me? i love HTC...

but having so many creates a kind of ARMS RACE. pushing each manufacturer to get better and better and create new things...

why do u think the iphone has stood still for years? not even putting LTE in the next phone? bc they dont have a competitor (to most people, bc isheep are isheep and will buy the iphone even if its a moto razor with an apple logo on it)

but for the other half of the cell phone market, all these companies are competing with each other, making each try to be better than the last.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 08:21 1

14. iwebdroidberry7 (Posts: 230; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


Um Apple hasn't created an LTE device because..... well just look at the Thunderbolts successful launch.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 08:46 2

15. itsthenew (Posts: 13; Member since: 22 Oct 2010)


Who cares if the worst devices don't get updates. That's like complaining that the worst free phone doesn't receive upgrades, you get what you pay for! It's literally a 50 dollar price difference in most cases separating the top tier device from a mid level. You get a hardware bump AND a software bump!

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 10:31 2

16. protozeloz (Posts: 5368; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


thumbs up for you

You buy cheap.... you EXPECT CHEAP Motorola has a bad reputation for slow updates because of the precious time waisted trying to upgrade phones meant to be "feature smartphones" how do you expect a $50 on contract to be as well supported as a $199 one?

the biggest issue they have to solve is the timing... it pisses people off that Americans are enjoying the Atrix while Europe(for example) has to wait for Q3 to get it and they get to buy a 6 month old device with the same android version.... just after their competitor has dimmed down their time to shine, many others take less time to have devices on market worldwide...

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 11:12 2

18. snowgator (Posts: 3187; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


You both got the easy solution- don't buy cheap. This isn't the difference of thousands of dollars like appliances or cars. You can get a outstanding device (insert your favorite flavor OS/device here) for what amounts to a few bucks more a month over the life of the contract instead of settling for a throw away toy that you will most likely grow to dislike long before the first year is up when you realize how much more these devices were designed to do. I beg every person I know to go big, or don't buy until you can. Even if you do not use devices to their potential, just the upgrade in speed, sound quality, and response to commands are so much higher in premium devices.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 11:38 1

21. protozeloz (Posts: 5368; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


yep

I don't mind people getting these feature smartphones, few friends have them and are happy that they shoot pictures with them, make calls, surf the web a bit, and chat... what tickles me off is that someone who bought a backflip for example wants adobe flash on his device and gives thumbs down because he cant play a game with higher graphics....

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 10:35

17. RudestBuddhist (Posts: 2; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)


Part of me likes to see all the different things that the manufacturers do to give their Androids their own distinctive features, but the admin in me hates how bloody hard it is to support devices that are all so different. When setting up mobile support for Android devices to connect to our corporate Groupware services, out of the 5 devices I got for testing, 2 worked. Security policies are non-existant on anything less than 2.2.

posted on 11 Mar 2011, 02:02 1

34. Owlet (Posts: 446; Member since: 21 Feb 2011)


So the admin part in you needs to work for his money :)

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 11:35

20. astrocramp (Posts: 8; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


Fragmentation killed Windows Mobile. You had smartphone edition, regular touchscreens, with & without keyboards, etc. A consumer friendly app ecosystem never evolved, since you'd go to the store and find your handset wasn't supported by this or that app. Microsoft also got lazy, and didn't innovate the OS hardly at all.

I see a risk that Google will go the same route - get lazy, let the developers and hardware manufacturers deal with whatever garbage needs to be fixed.

Android is either going in the shitter, or each vendor will have their own, somewhat incompatible flavors (ie Moto Blur, HTC Sense, etc). Even now on apps you see in their description "doesn't work with Motorola" type of comments. This will only get worse so that eventually you'll have to search by what handset you use.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 11:51

22. protozeloz (Posts: 5368; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


feature smartphones should be banned from the android market and given personalized versions of the market with apps tested by the manufacturers, if they want to plague android with cheap phones they should be ready to pay with extra time checking on the original market for compatible apps for their devices and posting them in their own

posted on 10 Mar 2011, 14:01

29. astrocramp (Posts: 8; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


Even for my droid 2 global, there's a few apps that don't work because motorola somehow locks down whether or not an app can poll the messages waiting. For instance, an app I downloaded called "Email Widget" specifically to show how many Exchange messages i have waiting, doesn't work on Motorola because they block whatever service the software uses. It's annoying as hell.

posted on 10 Mar 2011, 16:43

30. protozeloz (Posts: 5368; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


might be related with blur or just bad development but have you tried the sock widgets for that? if im not mistaken they have a widget for that... ill have to put stock a rom to find out

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 12:11 2

23. itsthenew (Posts: 13; Member since: 22 Oct 2010)


Don't purchase Samsung if you want timely updates, and don't purchase the worst smartphone just because it's cheap. Fragmentation is akin to someone saying that their Chevy Aveo should have the aftermarket support as the Chevy Corvette. Some people are happy with Aveo's, and some people are happy with android 1.6. They realize that their phone isn't an Evo or Mytouch 4g, and they either suck it up, or buy a nice phone next time. While the Cliq was out there was the G1 and the HTC Mytouch 3g, both of which were updated on a regular basis or have the modding community to bring them up to 2.3.

posted on 09 Mar 2011, 17:42 1

28. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


The thing is, majority of Android users don't even know what fragmentation is until they've decided to do research on the device. Upon doing research on fragmentation, they're likely to end up in a developer's zone, like XDA, and the fragmentation will cease to exist in over 90% of the devices.

The worst thing about fragmentation was that Steve Jobs blew it out of proportion for Android OS and people followed.

posted on 10 Mar 2011, 20:38

31. RajHarras (unregistered)


ok, so I am not alone. It appears the all or most of the companies are taking the easy way out and using android instead of creating or designing their own software, specific to their phone. Its like main stream (or) called the in thing now! Companies tend to run with what everyone else is doing, Look what the iphone did and now the ipad, Need I say more? Half of the system are posing security risk, as far as information is concerned. Employees are retrieving emails on their phones and sensitive data gets meshed in. Of course they are going to argue the issue, fragmentation is a good, thing, yea, right! I read some interesting comments, herehttp://www.motorolaatrixforum.com/motorola-atrix-4g-general-discussion-f12/would-you-give-up-your-ne xus-s-for-a-motorla-atrix-t70.html on this forum. It seems people are getting the point but are at a technological disadvantage.

posted on 10 Mar 2011, 20:45

32. downphoenix (Posts: 2266; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


What motorola seems to miss as far as the point is that HARDWARE fragmentation is good, it gives the buyer a variety of handsets to choose from with different form factors, sizes, and prices, and encourages a competitive marketplace for handset manufacturers to make ALL their models, not just their high end models, the best they can be for their target price point, hence why for every Evo or Droid we get, we also get good low cost handsets like the Optimus.

SOFTWARE fragmentation is TERRIBLE. That's why many android handsets wait months before OS upgrades, if they ever get them, many Android apps are optimized for only a few devices, normally top selling devices, and some android devices that may be theoretically more powerful than others run those apps worse because the apps aren't tailored to those phones, some apps may not run on some phones even if it meets the requirements due to hardware incompatibilities to what the app is programmed for, etc.

Couple that with Google's change to their market (which only allows a 15 minute refund window, not even enough time to download and install some apps, much less try them out), rampant piracy, a huge influx of low quality apps, and its not hard to see why Fragmentation on the software end is terrible.

Microsoft targetted it correctly. They give the hardware manufacturers their freedom to do what they want with the hardware, but the software is largely the same on all WP7 handsets. Its possible you may run across problems you might not going with an iOS device, but you at least get a choice as far as if you want a qwerty keyboard or not, larger or smaller screen, "weird" features like the Surround's slide out Speaker, etc. Microsoft may have been too controlling with the specs initially, but we will see WP7 devices released in the sub 99$ or even free price segments by the end of this year probably, as they will be able to do single core 1ghz phones and be able to subsidize them for free by then, so this wont hurt them much.

Google is giving hardware manufacturers too much control on the software and hardware portions, thus why Android fragmentation is terrible. Its even worse than with PCs, because even though you have a huge variety of parts you can use for a home PC, you can pretty much count on the operating system being the same at least (assuming you're using Windows, Linux runs into many of the same problems as Android, which is Linux based).

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