Motorola RAZR first phone from the manufacturer offering a bootloader unlock solution
0. phoneArena 23 Oct 2011, 15:38 posted on
The Motorola RAZR will offer a bootloader unlock solution-the first handset from Motorola to do so- although individual carriers will be able to remove the feature which is exactly what Verizon has decided to do with its version of the phone...
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2. Ivan6479 (Posts: 245; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Screwed by the carriers once again. Sounds like Verizon wants to keep everyone using their crappy bloatware. I guess for the people that want this unlocked that bad they will figure out a way.
4. zhieson (Posts: 10; Member since: 21 Jun 2011)
A locked boot loader doesn't mean bloatware or no root. Boot loaders just makes ROM programming and rooting a lot more difficult.
But I agree. Verizon is sticking it to the people.
10. cnwwyo (Posts: 126; Member since: 26 May 2011)
just a friendly warning, some retards think bloatware doesnt exist......lol, but plenty of us out here understand what it is.
17. remixfa (Posts: 14223; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
this will just slow down XDA, not stall it. No bootloader lock has ever survived XDA. :)
22. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
yeah, it really isn't that big of a deal. Motorola Droids get Rooted, ROMed & OCed just like the rest of them.
39. superguy (Posts: 271; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
Yeah, but the locked bootloader prevents a custom kernel. That's where the problem is.
30. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5975; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Somehow, I suspect XDA will be releasing a root of the RAZR before one week passes from when the RAZR is available for sale (probably sooner).
3. zhieson (Posts: 10; Member since: 21 Jun 2011)
This is very good news.
With a non-removable battery and a locked boot loader, I was almost for sure going Nexus. But if the RAZR comes out next week with the option of a manufacturer unlocked boot loader, this is awfully tempting.
Hopefully the non-removable battery doesn't crap out sooner than 2 years. Seems like the iPhones have managed.
12. sgogeta4 (Posts: 392; Member since: 02 Feb 2011)
Except Verizon has removed the unlockable boot loader feature... so it's locked.
5. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Jesus, Verizon. Way to stick it to the customers. But I'm happy that Moto is sticking to its promise as much as possible. Please give my Atrix Ice Cream Sandwich!
6. tomast (Posts: 50; Member since: 16 Oct 2011)
Why does Motorola always give Verizon there good phones and leave sprint and at&t with their mediocre ones??
7. kshell1 (Posts: 1143; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
they gave sprint the photon which is a decent device
19. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
the Atrix 2 is the Bionic with HSPA+.
why did AT&T not have Motorola make it with LTE i don't know but it's still a fine device. i'm sure the Photon on Sprint will get an OMAP4 equipped refresh similar to what was made with the Atrix in the near future.
20. remixfa (Posts: 14223; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
probably has to do with the amount of advertising and unit sales promised by the carrier to support the device.
24. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
LTE is not ready and AT&T has an LTE device coming out that is supposed to have the best battery life to date for LTE phones. And, AT&T likes to drag their arses.
8. rd_nest (Posts: 874; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
Never can someone understand the concept of carriers outside US. It's just a totally different situation in US. I never found myself at the mercy of the carriers. I can use any phone on any network here and no locked lock/unlock s**t. And considering my monthly bill (which I find ridiculously low at times), I am more than happy to get any phone without contract.
26. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
well we have something called cdma screwing things up…
35. PotDragon (banned) (Posts: 214; Member since: 22 Jul 2011)
That is because Europe was quicker to adapt to cell technology. After WWII, the infrastructure was destroyed and the parts not quickly rewired were thirsty for cell tech and adopted it. Hence leading to a more informed and developed customer base.
My European business partners still wonder how long the US will have INCOMING calls to a cell counted against your plan. Such is life.
Bloatware is an Apple myth made up when an iphone was only on At&t. Anyone who don't get that is the retard and has no understanding of RAM & ROM. Period.
37. VZWuser76 (Posts: 2028; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
Bloatware is an apple myth? Tell that to my Incredible 2 with 19 apps that I have never used and can't remove unless I root. Some of them run in the background, and if you kill the process they just start up after you do. Not all of them but some do.
To me bloatware is something that is added to the device at the carrier's request, which uses up space and in some cases resources, and isn't easily removable.
Also, if bloatware is a myth, why was it a big deal when Sprint made it possible to remove those type of apps without having to root.
38. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
didn't i have to remind you yesterday that an SD Card doesn't affect any downstream lag from your Rhapsody or whatever it was? xD
9. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Some were already pissed about the battery, now no boot loader unlock and no gaurantee of 4.0??? Yep, that Galaxy Nexus is looking better and better. Even with that 5mp camera. Just wish they left the free tether on it, which you know will never happen.
11. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
No, the Razr is getting ICS. It's other Moto phones they're not sure about.
15. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
i can about gurantee you that the Droid Bionic, Droid 3 & the Atrix 2 will get it. the Atrix, Photon & Droid X2 might have to wait a bit longer but i'm sure it'll come to them too. the others are real iffy.
18. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I would think such a device getting ICS is a no-brainier, but I thought the unlocked boot loader would be too considering all the users who have been begging for it. Sure, Motorola is doing their part, but why leave it up to carriers?
28. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I'm betting that Verizon refused to sell the Razr unless Moto allowed them to block the bootloader unlock function.
33. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
;( I think you're right about that for sure. VZW has got to maintain its well earned "Stick in the Mud" reputation to uphold. I know they say security is the reason for the boot loader lock, but I think that's a load!
13. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
as much as i hate to say it this is just as much on Motorola as it is on Verizon. Motorola is just getting Verizon to play the bad guys for now so it'll make them look innocent of holding this off for a longer time. there's been phones on Verizon to come out with unlocked bootloaders. all Motorola has to do is unlock them no questions asked. it doesn't seem to matter what Verizon will think when Motorola starts unlocking bootloaders with ICS updates. what difference does it make if they start on a Gingerbread device?
21. remixfa (Posts: 14223; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
because it will hurt future partnerships with other phones down the lines, thats why.
In america, the carrier makes all the calls, not the manufacturer.. as retarded as it may be. Moto doesnt have much say about what will be on the phones THEY will be making.
23. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
you mean as a market value to newer devices? the next high-end device i can think of to be released by Motorola on Verizon after the Razr is the Droid 4 and i'm sure that'll be released in the Spring to catch Droid 2 owners. i don't see why Verizon's opinion matters when unlocking the bootloader on a new phone launched with Gingerbread and not after it gets upgraded to ICS.
14. jldleo (Posts: 34; Member since: 09 Aug 2011)
Wow this is great news...wait, I live in the U.S.
16. holy_alien (Posts: 3; Member since: 23 Jul 2011)
thanks again verizon for screwing another great phone...
please,moto stop bother with verizon. it's bad for everybody
27. trin (Posts: 88; Member since: 11 May 2010)
The average owner of an iPhone or android device doesn't know or care about bloatware or jailbreaking/rooting their devices. The only ones that get upset over stuff like this are techies like us. The phone will still sell like crazy.
29. tomast (Posts: 50; Member since: 16 Oct 2011)
I agree about the rooting part because android is all ready so customisable that the average person never has to root their phone but as for jailbreaking that's a whole other story. In fact i read an old article that said 7 out of 10 people had there ios devices jailbreaken plus rooting is hard and complex while jailbreaking is one click away.
31. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
if people don't HAVE to root their phones why do people HAVE to jailbreak their iPhones? besides in most cases a one click root method will come around.
32. tomast (Posts: 50; Member since: 16 Oct 2011)
Because ios is boring with out jailbreak. Also with jailbreak you can get the same amount of customization as android on your iphone, ipad and ipod touch.
34. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
oh? contrary to what i believed i've heard from an iPhone owner here on the site that even by jailbreaking you can't customize the iPhone nearly to the depth of what you can do on an Android device. also rooting is very much essential to a lot of people in the Android community. i'm not one of them as i like to keep things stock for safety and factory stability.
36. MorePhonesThanNeeded (Posts: 645; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Verizon is just protecting their asses, they don't want to people accessing such things that you have to pay for like tethering and hotspot. This is why they won't allow unlocked bootloaders on any phone on their network. Their network play by their rules or else find another network. I hate the bloatware on most Verizon phones but some of you people complain too damn much, there isn't that much crap on there and none of it slows down your phone. I have a Droid X and none of the Verizon bloatware even runs, unless it's invisible or something but I'm on GB 2.33 and only one Verizon derived software runs that is the Back up program. So all this complaining is mostly BS, turning a mole hill into a mountain. My phone works and I have zero problems with it, now my GF who has a Vibrant on T Mobile, I will most likely install Cynogen on her phone because T Mobile doesn't upgrade anything, I had to manually install Froyo 2.2 on her Vibrant using that craptacular Kies. Samsung needs to get their stuff together, over a year old and the SGS is treated like garbage, in the US that is. Only one update and everywhere else but the US has GB on thier SGS phones.
I like Motorola phones because their build quality is pretty much second to none, I haven't used a top tier Motorola phone and came away feeling as if it was cheaply made or anything like that. Sturdy and can take a licking, I know I have dropped my X on the street only a nick to show for it but it runs smoothly unless it's been on for over 100 hours straight, then it bogs down. GB works fine on the X but it definitely wasn't optimized for it i used to get about 2 days of battery when being cheap with phone use but now that has been slashed nearly in half to about 1 day on menial usage, weird as hell. But I can make an entire work day on it smattering of usage here or there. Hopefully the RazR really can go at least 10 hours on mid to heavy usage, that would be golden but with the first Gen LTE radio I don't know, but anything over the Bionic is a positive thing as LTE matures and they get better with consumption expect to see more RazR's with even better battery life.
40. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5653; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
HEAR YE, HEAR YE! Thump3rDX17 has made a new account!
i felt like making a fresh account with a fresh name. the only reason is that i'm ready for a change. i will now be KingKurogiii.
41. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
You might have to periodically remind me. :P
I'll miss Thumper. :(
43. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5653; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
(Thump3rDX17) yeah, Thumper is pretty great but you know the more things change, the more they stay the same. (:
42. mctcm (Posts: 204; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Question: so if there is a bootloader unlock solution from Motorola, what is to stop that from being leaked and applied to XDA after the fact? Or is this a hardware thing?