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Motorola CEO defends Moto X specs, touts "high-end performance"

0. phoneArena 05 Aug 2013, 20:07 posted on

There has been a lot of chatter from the geek crowd about the Moto X spec sheet. Many think that the device is somehow lacking because (to boil down the argument) "the numbers aren't big enough". People see the numbers that go with the CPU and display, and decide that because those numbers aren't as high as other phones, the Moto X couldn't possibly be as good. We've already defended the Moto X, and now the Motorola CEO Dennis Woodside is doing the same...

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posted on 05 Aug 2013, 21:36 2

37. TheLolGuy (Posts: 483; Member since: 05 Mar 2013)


Since Android 4.3 removed OpenCL in favor of Renderscript, I think we'll be seeing the Moto X deliver pretty good performance for it's 2 year lifespan for the early adopters. The CPU is basically a dual-core Snapdragon 600, so I don't know why everyone is still calling it an S4 Pro. With Renderscript being more developer-friendly than OpenCL for GPGPU, maybe we can see some apps putting that graphics horsepower to good use!

At the very least I'm sure Google's official apps will be buttery smooth.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 20:16 3

5. evarod48 (Posts: 154; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


I don't see the problem with "mid-range" specs, and like android.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 20:22 3

8. krysis (Posts: 76; Member since: 14 Dec 2009)


Everyone bitching about this phone but no ones tested it out yet. Wah. I'll hold my judgement til i can get some hands on time.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 20:25 2

10. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Don't need to because the price is a turn off.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 20:58

30. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 4003; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


Come to think about it...the two most overpriced phones available right now are from the US.
Makes my spine chill up thinking about what Motorola may come up with if they went on like this.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 20:29 3

12. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


For all you whiners complaining about the price, I guess you all prefer Chinese foxconn slave labor making your phone.

Want a better reason to buy this phone? Moto gave ms the finger with their patents, thus you won't support ms or nokia's crusade against android (that's right, Nokia is suing moto over android).

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 20:31

13. joey_sfb (Posts: 6010; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Motorola has scale down their manufacturing capacity but the customization option has vastly improved.

The fact is limited market reach would also limits it's market share.

A Ground breaking experience that not many people would learned about.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 20:33 1

14. Sauce (unregistered)


So much rabble. Consumers who have the money will buy expensive phones. Just like people who buy GS4's and iPhones off contract (for example). It comes down to WHO wants WHAT. Not everyone is poor, and not everyone is well off. What ever floats the damn boat and pleases the consumer.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 20:47 1

18. frydaexiii (Posts: 1460; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


Haha, nice try, you're not an Apple employee, you can't say "Retina displays are better than 1080P/720P displays." and get away with it.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 20:48

19. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


All of a sudden, many people here didnt care for the specs. Lol.

Moto X is great. Dont care if it's a mid range spec'd device. I just find most people here, funny. Haha

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 20:48

20. 14545 (Posts: 1605; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Michael, I get where you are trying to go with this. However, my view is that beyond 300 hp most drivers will never know the difference either. That doesn't mean you can justify a 300 hp mustang selling for the same price as a 562 hp 458 Italia. Yes, a Mustang(or insert other nice lower end sports car here) is a great choice, but it still isn't the Italia. Premium price tag or not, it's not a 458, and it never will be. That's why this phone doesn't, and shouldn't command a premium price. It's not a truly premium phone, that's where Apple screwed up the market. If you want me to pay premium prices, then sell me a truly premium phone with the specs to go with it. I look at it this way, if your bill of materials is 200 and competitor X's BoM is 275, and competitor Y's B M is is 265, then you can't honestly think you are giving your customers what they paid for when you sell them a much cheaper(materials wise) phone at the same price as your competitors. Just my .02, take it how you may. I just don't think experience alone is justification for it's price. I would have bought it off contract for 400 in a 32gb model.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 21:37

39. evarod48 (Posts: 154; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


1. if your mustang could go as fast or ride smoother than a more expensive car, why wouldn't you buy it?
2. You don't know that the materials for the X are cheaper than the higher spec phones.

posted on 06 Aug 2013, 19:09

95. 14545 (Posts: 1605; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


You're clearly not a car person or you would understand how a (insert low end sports car) could never = a high end exclusive sports car. No matter the modifications or *close* factory specs.

No, I don't know for sure that the BoM for the X is less than the One, S4, etc. But considering it clearly doesn't have the display of the other two(no matter your feeling of detriment to the device or not), and we know the processor is less expensive, there isn't much else that could drive the device higher to compete with the other devices.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 20:50

22. scott5626 (Posts: 49; Member since: 01 Sep 2009)


Pocketnow review states when you shake the phone you hear the wiggly power and volume buttons rattle. Seems kinda silly since your supposed to do that gay wrist shake to launch the camera.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 20:54 1

25. 14545 (Posts: 1605; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


I can't ever see anyone actually doing that to open the camera. It honestly seems like less work just to have a lockscreen widget. 2 touches, the power then the camera. (assuming you don't use a password.)

posted on 06 Aug 2013, 05:43

83. gazmatic (Posts: 795; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)


or how about... i dont know... a dedicated camera button

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 20:56 5

28. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


Someone want to point me to the "mid-range" part?

GPU looks top-notch.
Screen IS 720p, but it's non-PenTile AMOLED, which is nice for colors. For the three of you who have eyes that can distinguish the difference of 1080p on a 4.7" screen, sorry.
CPU is a bit lagging, but who in the hell needs four cores on a PHONE? I have two on my laptop.
Battery is nothing crazy, but they make the most of the mAh with the phone's features.
Camera appears to be top-tier.
And it's compact as anything out there. Everyone else packs more cores and more pixels, they're adding volume. This is a really, really nice size. Balance is everything.

It's a really good phone that let down only because it was rumored to be cheaper and even more customizable.

And did I mention it wasn't built in conditions that rival slavery?

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 21:06

32. 14545 (Posts: 1605; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


You can put 2k HRE's on a 1 year old Toyota corolla, that still doesn't make it a sports car.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 21:41 1

41. evarod48 (Posts: 154; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


your car comparisons suck. This phone would be the equivalent of a smaller engine car going faster than a car with a bigger engine. the normal car vs. exotic car comparisons have no relevance here.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 22:21

55. alltechinside (Posts: 248; Member since: 21 Apr 2013)


I agree with the screen, but I disagree completely with the CPU. We've all said the same thing: Who need's 512 mb of RAM? 1 GB? Overkill. Dual-core processor? Overkill, etc.... Moto X may not need an insane amount of cores to perform right now, but it would eventually need more horsepower on the long run. But I wouldn't be complaining if the price was lower....

Battery life is pretty decent (from the reviews I've seen), but Moto could do better especially looking at the price. They have the technology to easily pack in a big battery on a thin package, but they chose not to. Again, the price doesn't help either.

I've looked at Camera, but it looks mediocre (from reviews I've seen). Obviously, I haven't had the chance to use it myself but from the videos I've seen, the Moto X takes fast pictures but not the best camera performance.

Honestly, I would have been happy with the Moto X if the prices were lower. With Moto Maker only benefiting AT&T users, it doesn't justify the expansive price tag.

I don't see this phone as "mid-range", but I don't necessarily see it as "high-end" either.

Moto's only hope is their Marketing. But since they are competing with Samsung and HTC, I just don't see how they can overcome that. And from the fact that the iPhone is coming out soon....

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 22:51 1

64. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


I'm betting on camera being largely a software problem. They're saying that the processing creates noise -- this can be fixed. (I think the HTC One had the same issue around launch.)

I think if they had this at about $400-$450 unlocked, there would have been a lot less backlash, especially when the analysts and rumors called for $300 unlocked.

As for the elephant in the room that is CPU... Architecture and clock speed matter more than number of cores. There isn't that much multitasking to do (especially with a couple of the tasks already being relegated to the natural language processing cores).

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 23:13

67. alltechinside (Posts: 248; Member since: 21 Apr 2013)


I really hope that is a software problem. The camera quality was pretty disappointing.

Ya, the hype really brought this phone down. I would have been forgiving if they had it around $400, but for $575 as the starting point and $200 on contract, I really can't see this fly off.

I agree with you that Architecture and clock speed is more important, but having more cores does have a factor on the long run. Newer OS ,apps or software features may require more horsepower. And I don't see why would it hurt to have a better processor since the price isn't any different.

Always On and Moto assist (when the phone automatically changes to driving or night mode) are one of the most impressive things I've seen but still, it probably isn't worth buying it for a premium price tag.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 21:06 4

33. Mass88 (Posts: 58; Member since: 06 Jan 2012)


I have a Galaxy Nexus that was bought back in December of 2011 and it runs just as good and better in some cases than my friend's GS4.

People need to stop hating on Motorola for this. You don't like the phone? Fine. But why get all worked up about it? No one is forcing you to buy it.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 22:14 2

53. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1345; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)


I'm sorry but I had a Verizon Nexus (now my sons) and that phone sucks compared to my Note 2. And the S4 is suppose to be faster than the Note. I had 3 batteries for that phone and it was still not enough for a heavy day of use.
But this is what suppose to happen when it comes to technology. I hope the Note 3 kills my Note 2 in every category. The Moto X is not an upgrade from my 9 month old Note 2; I actually lose features.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 22:56 1

65. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


The Nexus 4 isn't on Verizon. There's a reason for it, and it's not because Verizon turned Google down.

Verizon takes software and delays it so that it can be filled with all the bloatware they can get.

I wouldn't get a carrier Moto X. You take your hardware customization and screw it up with 33 of your carrier's favorite apps, 5 logos printed on the device, and a locked bootloader. Blah.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 21:31

35. Avenger337 (Posts: 81; Member since: 14 Apr 2013)


I partially agree with this gentleman, resolution of 720 on a smartphone is great and should not necessarily be bad when compared with more. I think the same, the specifications are pretty good, the only detail is that ofrescan all for an attractive price or it could be a scam.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 21:37 1

38. jphillips63 (Posts: 223; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


With no memory expansion aka SD card it's out for me and any phone that comes to market I will not consider purchasing unless it is capable of using a S card

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 22:07

50. joey_sfb (Posts: 6010; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


I only left 1.6G for my 64G microSD. Please launch the 128G microSD card now!

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 21:41 1

42. flynfree (Posts: 374; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)


Let says it is high end, I'm still goin' to high end quad core and full hd display than high end dual core. Sorry to say, but that's the practical decision for me.

posted on 05 Aug 2013, 21:49 1

46. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


My fracking God, each day I come in here and see people bitching about the Moto X's specs, I become more and more disappointed in the Android fanbase. If the advanced features on the Moto X, which offer a new and different experience and the same performance as phones with twice the primary cores, aren't enough to justify its price to you, fine. But stop acting like your opinion is objective. The idea that quad core processors aren't necessary for the average consumer on Android has been a slow realization that the Moto X has thrown into sharp relief. Pick up any phone with a slower clocked dual core processor that still runs Jelly Bean and you will see that it runs just as smoothly as the S4 or HTC One, and that's even without the graphics and dedicated secondary cores that Motorola has in its new phones. Look at the S3's display and tell me that it isn't so goddamn sharp that you swear you're looking at a sticker on the screen instead of the screen itself. Time and again these days I have customers who opt for the S3 unless there's a way they can knock the S4's price down because for the way they'll use it, the S3 is perfectly adequate in ways that the S2 wasn't at the same age.

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