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Motorola ATRIX HD revealed on Motorola's website with 4.5 inch screen

0. phoneArena 05 Jul 2012, 01:00 posted on

Looking like the Motorola DROID RAZR with its thin lines, Motorola's website showed off pictures of the Motorola ATRIX HD with a 4.5 inch ColorBoost display, backside made from Kevlar and water resistant innards...

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posted on 06 Jul 2012, 02:11 1

80. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

I wouldn't say King is childish here, he brings up some good arguements. And yes, he may be a bit of a Moto fanboy, but who can blame him? Motorola makes awesome devices, and apparently Moto has served him well in his past experiences with smartphones and tablets, so he trusts their devices. I might be more of an HTC fan, but I can still recognize a good phone; I might actually pick up the latest Moto phone if the next iteration of the One series doesn't impress me at MWC next year (I hope that's when they release it).

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 07:36

81. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

the Droid 2 was just a smaller Droid X. i liked having a keyboard so it was ideal for me. the Droid 3 being a fail is your opinion. it has one of the most fantastic keyboards to ever be graced on a phone and it was the most powerful phone in the states until the SII came stateside. it doesn't suck. they feel better in the hand than the originals and they're powered by OMAP4s which are no slouches powerwise. the only reason why they and the Xyboards were considered bad is because the Transformer Prime set a new standard for critics. my sister got one before i got my Xyboard, it's wireless reception was horrible. we have a big house and even our Cisco E3000 Router which is 802.11n doesn't cover every place in the house. my Xyboard gets a signal in places where her Prime drops out completely. that reliability and compact size is what i was looking for and it's not weak at all, not by a long shot.

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 07:46

82. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

no, just from a consistent basis. haven't you ever heard the phrase innocent until proven guilty? there's no logical reason why those problems you mentioned would crop up. that's just your bias against Motorola taking it's hold on you.

why does that matter? Samsung releases lots of handsets but only a few are renowned as great devices. same point you're trying to make against Motorola just on a different magnitude.

oh and they're separate devices dude, each have different price tags. i'd have a MAXX right now if i just liked the color.

oh so suddenly sales are irrelevant huh? doesn't it indicate the popularity of the devices if they're selling well? i'm sure that didn't come to mind at all when you were talking about Samsung's greatness. xD see i don't mind Samsung, on the contrary, i think they've done great. i'm just saying Motorola definitely has a fighting chance. i don't see how you can say anything about that being that i had to correct you for every little piece of information about Motorola you brought up. you don't know anything.

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 07:48

83. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

good man. i don't know why he has such a problem with me and Moto.

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 08:02

84. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

you can really look back at all the times i've had to correct you without me having to explain it. frankly i'm getting tired of this. i don't know why you're so hell bent on having this discussion.

oh yeah, that's why the S Voice was in your little list of features that make having an SIII better. :P marketing features are features pushed that are meant to be selling features. not that hard to figure out. don't split hairs with me.

dude, you have no room to talk. i've had the OS for months now and i've played extensively with a friend's SIII. Moto's UI is the closest to stock. it's like you haven't read any reviews at all for it guy.

how is that relevant to the Atrix? besides the Razr series has a vast fanbase. i don't think the Pentile Display affected much and besides a trade off is presented from Pentile because it helps save battery life. that's the original reason why Moto used it.

keyboard? i assume you mean the Lapdock? nobody has really had the chance to use it since it updated. we'll see whether or not the updated version of Webtop will be marketed for the Atrix and if so people will take a look at it. people want to like Webtop but it was implemented so poorly in the past that it never took off except for with business users. your whole argument is dead guy. all you were able to come back with is a bad joke.

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 08:16

85. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

i was just telling so you wouldn't get confused looking at my list and start mismatching.

1. a phone without a removable cover is generally more durable and greater thinness is achieved by doing so. sorry you failed to see that.

2. oh yes, humor me and may i remind you that even if that were the case it wouldn't matter because ICS is on it now.

3. no it doesn't dude. look it up.

4. remember when you said positive and a negative? trade off.

5. #3 guy, #3, don't you read?

6. same argument i've been trying to make with Motorola's features, i could use Smart Actions for instance, that's widely used and Samsung doesn't have it so again, trade off.

7. and Motorola has done what the people wanted by keeping the Stock Holo theme. you can read that anywhere.

8. ...that it has better battery life? that's probably correct?

9. if it mattered so much for people to get their music from iTunes you can make it work, if not there's plenty of alternatives. i'm personally a Spotify Fiend. works beautifully on my Razr. why would you own an Android device and use iTunes anyway considering it's notorious past for support?

10. well i don't care to.

11. but does it really change anything? no. you're just picking straws now.

well that's not what is is here and that's not what i'm talking about. i'm strictly talking about AT&T here. of course the Intl. version is better but so what? what's your point?

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 10:16

86. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

Well, he's based most of his arguments on marketing, which is an important thing, but I think he forgets that phone sales are also based on reputation. And Moto has one of the greatest reputations in the mobile world, they made the first cell phone (though a margin of people don't know that), and all throughout the mobile industry, has had some of the most popular phones ever. Like a few years ago, when the original Razr flip phone came out. EVERYONE had one, because they were so awesome, and everyone love Moto. And when they brought out the Razr brand again last year, everyone had a nostalgia-gasm! And that's why they're selling so well, not only because it's a great smartphone, but because of reputation

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 08:53

87. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

"A consistent basis" when you say consisitent, you are referring to the OEM's hisotry of releasing good devices, otherwise, there is no other basis off which someone could reallly judge a phone. I don't see how innocent until proven guilty applies to phones, I guess what your saying is every phone should have a chance? Thats true. I'm giving the Atrix a chance, so I don't see how that applies to my conversation.

Did I ever say sales were irrevelant? I said "aren't always", So I don't know what you're saying there. People are always referring to the Galaxy Nexus as the best mid-range Verizon phone even when the Razr got ICS. And not just because of better specs most professionals just believe the experience is better on the Nexus, then there's Jellybean and all that I never said Motorola doesn't have a fighting chance, earlier, you threw at me Moto's history of making devices that
1) had good support for lapdock
2) were durable
3) sported good antennas

So I threw out Samsung's history, during which you suddenly went against the whole "history talk" and made it evident that they have had much of a greater impact on the modern world of smartphones. Please refer to "every little people of information" because you're speaking in generalities, instead of bringing up examples.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 09:17

88. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

Please, Please, Instead of just claiming you've corrected me, can you refer to where and how, instead of just saying the same thing over and over?

I'm not hell bent on anything....

In your explanation, marketing features and selling features are the exact same thing. That is not what I am referring to in selling points.. So no, I'm not splitting hairs.

Yes, I have room to talk, you are not a professional just because I am forced to cite, I will.

" It's delectably light and is shaping up to be one of our favorite skins yet." -- Engadget

In the conclusion.
I don't see where they declare it superior to Touchwiz here, and they said ONE OF OUR FAVORITE, meaning they have not made a clear and outright decision. And obviously Touchwiz is it's biggest competitor so if need be, they would've made a statement directly. And they didn't

"And with it, users can enjoy a less intrusive version of Motorola’s MotoBlur interface. Android ICS fanatics will be excited to know that the browser, app drawer, and launcher (for the most part) have remained stock giving users the look and feel of unadulterated Android 4.0." -- PocketNow

These were in fact the best things they were saying about Moto ICS. But then again, I don't see where they reffered to it being superior to Touchwiz.

"Naturally, Samsung’s TouchWiz Nature UX and HTC Sense 4.0 come to mind instantly bearing a drastic departure from the vanilla experience of Android 4.0, but with Motorola’s take, it seems to dispel all aspects of MOTOBLUR. Instead, it simply appears cleaner and less cartoony, which isn’t a bad thing since it’s close to the stock experience. " -- PhoneArena

Yes, PhoneArena says it's closest to stock, but that does not necessarily mean it's better -- and never once in this overview did they say it's better.

"So far, it seems to be a nice upgrade from Gingerbread for Motorola's customers, and packs some useful updates for consumers - not to mention the speed boost." -- PhoneDog

Once again, I don't think I need to explain myself.

Now, your probably getting ready to say "reviewer's aren't suppose to say which is better outright". Well, actually, when the GalNex came out which Pure ICS, yes, most stated outright that was the best verion of Android. But now, I can bet they've realized the playing field is pretty equal with Touchwiz and Moto ICS, simply because Touchwiz is extremely refined. I never said Moto ICS UI was bad, I'm simply responding to the claims you are making of everyone supposedly hailing it as the best Android UI of all, which is not true.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 09:23

89. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

", it may not be directly revelant, but is a testament to how Motorola will leave out key features is supposed flagship devices"
I will use this as a response to your "how is that revelant to the atrix" sentence, funny, you already said that... Yes, it reserves battery life, but not by a substantial margin, Moto also darkened out their UI which contributed greatly to reserving battery life.

"People want to like webtop" -- That the most ridiculous and clearly subjective statement you've said so far, has there ever been a push for smartphone webtop's? There are so many holes in that one sing--- whatever I'll get onto it

"My whole arguement is dead". Once again, making generalities.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 09:51

90. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

1. Maybe, but then again, thinness doesn't directly help towards making a smartphone better, the whole thinness war is basically over even, except for Apple. And you'd get way much more from being able to remove a battery than the phone just being thin.. Professionals have cited their distate with phones not having removable batteries.

2. I would agree, but once again, you are making an anticipatory statement, that your entire arguement here. and it could be wrong

3. How about you post some benchmarks for once, lmao... I don't wanna be looking around

4. You so generously use the word trade-off as if both sides are completely equal, which, they aren't usually, and the Galaxy S3 has rarely gotten any "too big" or "bulky" review notices. So as far as I can tell, more positive than negative, they are one of the few pioneers of larger screens.

5. Please state where you've talked about "it" and C and Paste the quotes so I'm clear

6. Smart actions vs. Smart stay, Font editing, Color saturation mode, battery percentage, Information Ticker, the myriad of motion-based S3 Actions, Tec Tiles.. Looks kind uneven to be.. and I can keep going.

7. Refer to my other comment

8. Well, the S3 currently has best battery life so..

9. What you would use doesnt matter here first of all.. and yes you can make it work on the S3 but on other android devices there are lots of processes you have to go through, and because it's the largest distributor of music? and millions of people have bought music I assume they don't want to re-buy?

10. didnt think you would.

11. Haha well it is.

Every MotoDroidRazr product, even the international ones, have the exact same specs, so you can assume Motorola but all their work and passion and made the best possible version of the product they could. The US galaxy S3 isnt the best possible version of Galaxy S3, it would only be fair for me to but the Intl version because it would in essence be fair to compare the Intl verision...

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 14:47

94. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

1. does it matter when 3300mAh batteries are going into phones that are 8mm thin? if that's what is coming out of Motorola's private thinness war then i'll give a cheer.

2. what are you saying? Moto's GB Browser was solid. it wasn't as nice as Samsung's browser on Exynos powered handsets but that's really all it came second too. you can look up benchmarks.




4. trade-offs come in when it's up to the user to decide if it's better for them or not. with a smaller HD Display it of course CAN make a handset more usable and pocketable and it's smaller screen size with the same resolution display as the 4.8" HDSA display of the SIII will create higher pixel density for a sharper image. trade-offs.

5.oh my gosh, this is so unnecessary...you talked about memory and i didn't know if you were talking about ROM or RAM so i made points about both. later you mentioned RAM so i used my reply on 3 as the reference point.

6. yeah, if that's all you were comparing. Motorola has more tricks up their sleeve than Smart Actions. so quick to downplay aren't ya?

7. ah yes, that's alright, i have something for you to read about that.

8. yeah, better than the Atrix.

9. just an example. it's pretty cool that it does that but it's not a real big stand out feature besides with MotoCast you can stream or download your iTunes Playlists.

10. it'd be foolish but i think you're making this more into a straight up Motorola vs. Samsung thing than an Atrix vs. AT&T SIII thing. i wouldn't argue that any Motorola handset could compete with the Intl.

11. well bravo then.

why are you always bringing this back to the Razr? the Razr is nearly a YEAR OLD. the Galaxy SIII JUST CAME OUT. we'll talk when the Razr HD comes out.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 13:39

91. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

yeah, pretty much.
so what was that about "Atrix HD may be horribly optimized, with a lackluster camera and bad battery life."?

oh so you can pick and choose when it's relevant? that's convenient. i don't know where you've heard that but most people preferred the Razr hence the sales. most reviews i see for the Razr pretty much say that it's better than the Nexus but it's lack of ICS keeps it down. not anymore. your whole argument was based off the new Atrix not being able to stand up to the likes of other phones on AT&T.

...what are you talking about? you threw out Samsung's history as a way of stacking the company against Motorola for the sake of your "the Atrix can't be as good as the SIII" argument. how delusional are you right now? xD

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 14:09

92. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

"the OS was simply outmatched by TouchWiz's fluidity and stability and then there was Pentile, non removable battery, that has not yet been quelled with this phone. I've ranted before on how Motorola was pointlessly pursuing the whole "thin-phone" thing, which, to this day has not proven to be that much of an advantage, instead, limiting space for I/O and battery. Then there's Motoblur..."

"Moto has defintiely earned a good, if not, the best reputation for build quality, but that is only started with the Droid Razr anyway,"

"Moto has yet to unveil their Android 4.0 skin"

"Samsung optimizes their software for their hardware so much better than Motorola."

"The last time Moto did that was with the.... uhhhh... Droid X? Moto has yet to turn heads."

that was a real bother to do just so you know.

dude, look at how much you've kept this up. clearly i'm a fan stepping up to bat for Motorola because i've had good experience with them but why are you here still?

marketing features are what the OEM and the Carrier use to turn into selling features. for the average consumer they're certainly things to keep in mind like you kind of said yourself when you included S Voice to your list.

i don't see any praise from Engadget when they're talking about UX, in fact it's just the opposite.


it was a review not a comparison, besides i saw more good points about Motorola's UI than TW from Engadget and we all know how they feel about having the purest Android experience, very seldom will they say that a skin really adds enough to outweigh the cons. UX may do this to a degree but not enough apparently.

when PhoneArena says it's close to stock that's a good thing. they're big fans. i know. i've been around a while.

Nexus reviews are mostly important software reviews as elements from it will be passed along to every high-end Android phone coming out for the next year or so. there's been no comparisons between the UIs but if you take a look a look at reviews side by side you'll probably find more praise of Motorola's Simplicity than Samsung's Functionality and besides that you can look in the comments on articles pertaining to the subject here and see a lot of people with respectable opinions making the claim.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 14:18

93. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

i still don't see how that's relevant. the Atrix HD will have an HD display hence it's name, even if it is Pentile which we don't even know yet it won't matter and besides Pentile didn't slow down the Razr did it? and may i remind you that the SAA Display is Samsung's Display, same thing was in the Galaxy S albeit at a lower resolution.

uh yeah, third party software. there's plenty that's taken off. Motorola just has hardware you can get to make it more useful. don't forget Webtop is just software. i can plug my phone into my T.V. right now and it'll open.

lol, wth? that's what you said. i just turned it back around. xD

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 16:37

95. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

1. The thinness has nothing to do with it there, the battery is the reason the MAXX lasts so long, funny thing is, most reviewers preffered the bigger design just for the bigger battery, which directly goes against your whole thinness arguement.

2. Wasn't even as good as Galaxy Nexus' browser, and benchmarks when it comes to browser don't reflect real life performance all the time. Things like smoothness are not a direct result of better benchmarks. Look here:http://www.anandtech.com/show/4981/motorola-droid-razr-performance-preview-improved-browser-performance . The Javascript benchmarks, which are in reality the only real becnhmarks that can measure browser performance showed the Razr almost killing the Galaxy series yet those browsers are so much better.

3. Funny, because those same reviews make my exact point : "Initially, the lower benchmark figures would make some people think that its performance is going to be sub-par, but that’s not the case. Sure, we might see a tiny bit of slowdown every now and then, but it’s still a rare occasion for us to see it. Furthermore, it maintains the same smooth and instantaneous performance as its quad-core packing sibling – so don’t let those benchmark numbers fool you. Oh yeah, did we mention that these US variants are packing 2GB of RAM instead of the usual 1GB? Strangely, the AnTutu benchmark app indicates to us that the both our review units have a RAM amount of 1658.3MB."

Verge : " The quad-core Exynos remains the fastest mobile processor we've tested yet, but the S4 isn't far behind — it powers plenty of high-end phones, and handles the Galaxy S III with aplomb. T-Mobile's device also has 2GB of RAM, which makes multitasking feel smoother than ever"

Engadget: "Let's go over a few other details. First, despite reports of some US models only taking advantage of 1GB of RAM, we were able to confirm that the T-Mobile, Sprint and AT&T versions all have a full 2GB. Since all US iterations use a Snapdragon S4 1.5GHz dual-core processor rather than the international's quad-core Exynos, this is a helpful compromise to ensure American users enjoy a smooth performance. It's also a huge bar-raiser for flagship devices that will make their debut sometime this year -- if a smartphone doesn't offer that extra gigabyte of memory, it had better be extremely efficient with the RAM it already has."
4. But if you look at criticism of the smallest and largest phones with high PPI displays
iPhone - The screen is way to small, finally iPhone 5 can have a bigger screen, people say that so often..
Galaxy S3 - ................?
Droid Razr - Pentile. Moto could have used Super Amoled Plus, Like samsung did, to make the display more crisp. The battery life on the Galaxy SII was very-well recieved, not far at all from the Razr.
6. What are those tricks exactly? Anticipatory. NEXT

7. You were making assumptive statements there through and through. Ran outta space.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 16:57

96. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

7. Here is what PhoneArena had to say about Touchwiz - "Specifically, we find the TouchWiz Nature UX running on top of Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich – so yes, it has the best of both worlds out of the box! To tell you the truth, the new software experience is simply what makes the smartphone so refreshing and a pleasure to use. By far, it’s the biggest overhaul we’ve seen with Samsung’s longtime interface, but more importantly, it introduces some new functionality that makes sharing easy and painless. At its core, it maintains all of the refined characteristics of the Android platform – like its wealth of personalization and quick access to certain apps directly from the lock screen."

Here are some comparisons. : http://blog.laptopmag.com/mobile-skin-off-motorolas-ics-upgrade-vs-htc-sense-and-samsung-touchwiz --


Read it and weep.

8. Well, I don't know if you were being sarcastic.. but.. ok

9. I know about motocast, but that is content is only stream-able when you computer is turned on, and motocast was very poorly recieved.


10. No, I'm not, you asked for reasons why GS3 was better than Atrix from Software to hardware, and I gave to you, you slowly introduced different devices. and on certain aspects, it'd be impossible compare the two without citing OEM reputation for quality.

11. Thank you very much =D

You seem to flip-flop on the Razr brand, citing it when it helps you and disregarding it when it doesn't first of all.
Goes the same for the Atrix, in theory, unless you think Snapdragon S4 could kill Exynos 4412. And to be honest, unless the Razr HD introduces a new TI OMAP, I doubt S4 on that will perform better than the Exynos... Nothing has cited Razr HD might bring in higher MP camera. And so far, Moto has used Samsung Amoled technologies for screen so one would assume it will spot the same screen as the GS3. RAM is a toss-up. Where they can make the difference is build quality, so I will give Motorola that, I guess we will see.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 17:10

97. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

"The OS was simply outmatched..." Well I was right there.. so I don't see where you corrected me

"Moto definitely early a good.." That is also true.. so I don't see where you corrected me

"Samsung optimizes their software" - That is also true, hence why almost every Galaxy device is extremely smooth. Droid X, Droid 2, Droid 3, Droid Razr, None of these phones have matched the smoothness or fluditiy of Galaxy devices.

"Moto is yet to unveil"
I corrected myself there..

" the last time moto.." That is also true.. basically

First of all, you never corrected me anywhere there , If you did, please post what you said...

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 18:00

98. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

1. the thinness has everything to do with it. Motorola uses a special laser cutting manufacturing method for phones like the Razr and is the reason why it was possible to fit such a big battery into the phone without making it real thick.

2. i don't know what you want me to tell you. the Razr had a good browser for a GB device. real life performance proved it as well as benchmarks.

3. i'm sure the US versions are still very fast but are they as fast as they could possibly be? no. even Engadget reports evidence of slow down which should not exist in devices of this caliber. as you can see the benchmarks tell a different story. while SoCs have now crossed a threshold of power being a real non-issue and you can argue that the SIII w/ 2GB of RAM performs well you can't argue that it performs the best. i've never had multitasking problems with my Razr and it has 1GB of dual-channel memory. either give me 2GB of dual-channel memory or i'll happily stick to the 1GB.

4. the iPhone? really? the Atrix's Display is a whole inch larger. xD
we don't know that. yeah, SA+ was also WVGA resolution while SAA was qHD resolution if you didn't take that into account.

6. i've been explaining those to you. Smart Actions, MotoCast, Webtop, MotoPrint, MotoActv, Motorola Car Finder all as relevant as the things you mentioned.

7. that's really all that can be made at this point but the evidence support my assumptions.

TWUX does indeed have the capacity to be likable but it really comes down to personal preference and who's opinion really matters so forgive me if i don't take the word of tech blogs no one has ever heard of before

8. that would be a stupid argument to make and i'm not making stupid arguments here.

9. dude, i use it all the time to download things from my computer. don't educate me on features you know nothing about.

10. i used the Razr's design direction and software because that's what the Atrix HD is based off of but improved in many ways.

11. your welcome.

i kinda covered that in #10 and i certainly don't think the S4 can beat the 4412 but that doesn't matter here in the States or on AT&T. the Razr HD will no doubt use an S4 clocked @ 1.5GHz but that'll put it on par with the SIII. as far as the camera goes the 13MP rumor is pretty solid, there's versions of the Razr in China with 13MP cameras. it'll either be HDSA or this new Display that the Atrix is bringing but either or will compare nicely with the SIII. what would make the Razr HD the true competition to the SIII and perhaps even slayer will be the build quality like you mentioned, the battery and the camera.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 18:17

99. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

that's opinion. from the Motorola Droid 3 up it's been just as good.

it certainly did not just start with the Droid Razr, it's been like that since the original Droid.

Droid X and Droid 2 felt as fast as the Galaxy S line because the line used the older RFS file system in their version of Froyo. i've had long time experience with a Droid Charge, i know. i remember in real life performance my Droid 2 was so much snappier than my friend's sister's Vibrant too. the Droid 3 and the Droid Razr had greatly optimized software but it couldn't compete with the Exynos powered SIIs. my Razr is smoother than my friend's sister's (same one that had the Vibrant. xD) T-Mobile SII which is powered by an S3. hardware is the source of what you're bringing to question

dude, the Atrix turned heads, the Bionic turned heads for a minute until the Razr turned heads. even the Droid 3 got attention with it's superb keyboard. definitely not true.

oh no, i'm not doing that again. frankly i'm getting sick of this.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 18:33

100. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

1. I'd like to see what article you read, I know kevlar is laser cut but pleaes . And still, what your saying is thinness allowed Motorola to put a bigger battery, as if if the phone weren't thin, it wouldn't be able to have that battery. That makes no sense, I would attribute that to Motorola's good reputation for build quality than the phone's thinness.

2. I know you don't know what to tell me, because you seem to have no real grounding in most of your arguements rather than what YOU have experienced, as if everyone experienced the same. I'm looking at things from a much bigger stand-point.

3. You are putting more of your trust in benchmarks than in human perception, which is way more reliable. And basically what your saying is that even though 1GB sports dual-channel support, and is no faster than 2GB as reviewed by the REVIEWERS and not the NUMBERS, which clearly did not give an accurate image of how well one performed against the other, you would still pick 1GB.. why? 2GB simply gives you more space to run more applications without hiccups AS REVIEWED, while running at the same perceived speed, so far you have given me to visible proof that dual-channel is that advantageous. And I never said the best, If anything, they perform exactly equal, Benchmarks cannot dissaprove this because what matters at the end of the day is how the human being percieves performance, and neither was percieved to be better.

4. Yes, I used the iPhone because you argued that smaller screens are known to be more pocketable. And I know the Razr is based on qHD, but RGB provided better pictures and videos becuase the pixels are closer to each other, as I'm sure you know.


posted on 07 Jul 2012, 19:21

101. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

Messed up there

6. Smart Actions OK. Motocast, bettered by Music Hub on GS3, Webtop 250$ to even take advantage of and still a minority of the population uses it. Motoprint - How on earth is this as important as any of the features I posted? Its called laptops and desktops, pal. MotoActiv - 3rd party apps do so much better than this, and people are much more likely to trust 3rd party apps because they have information stored on their networks usually, i.e weight watchers. Motorola Carfinder - GPS apps are so ubquitious and once again, this is largely use less to the mass market.

Near all of the apps you posted there require externals to actually become useful and do not actually help the phone itself i.e. car, printer, workout routine, 250$ weptop set. And none of them have been cited as MOTO ICS advantages.

7. Yes exactly, your argument there has no real basis but rumor and speculation. These techblogs may not be known as well, but they state more facts rather that subjective statements...

8. Your entire argument is stupid...

9. Once again, your own experience, instead of looking at other's collective experiences. Made my point about this already.

10. Now you're referring to something else completely. As I recall, my 1st #9 post was about battery life, and that statement was true. My 11th was about the Intl version of Galaxy S3 and it's superiority to all moto devices. Please explain this further becuase now you're just confusing me.
Software wise - the Atrix HD will have to ship with a different version of MotoICS for the software to really improve by anything at all, because many features on TouchWiz aren't even listed on the MotoICS settings.
Design direction - So far, the only advantage of the Atrix over the S3, that is, if the person appreciates the thinner kevlar design over the fuller S3 design. I agree, kevlar is safer but thinness doesn't appeal to everyone, which is why some reviewers liked the MAXX, not just its battery, but it's larger, easier to hold frame. And then there's the whole removable battery issue.

I know S4 will not beat 4412, once again, it does matter, refer to my comment about with version of phone is a truer representation of quality in my last post. It has nothing to do with ATT. Megapixels don't matter as much as image sensor either way, I'm sure you know that. As far as the display, I'm sure color boost will compete, then comes into question screen size, but we'll see that. I've already talked about build quality. Yes, battery and if 13mp makes that much of a difference, camera will be the deciding factors. Hopefully for you, Moto will decide do add a larger battery at the same price.

I don't even know why the Razr HD was brought into this when we were comparing the Atrix and Galaxy S3 in the first place...

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 19:25

102. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

1. i remember it was talked about at the announcement event. you can look on engadget or whatever if you want to. it keeps the phone from becoming a brick with it. constructing the phone with keeping it thin in mind is how this is accomplished.

2. okay, now you're really pissing me off. just what have i said that differs from what you'd find on the web? hmm?

3. i don't care guy. reviewers had similar things to say about S3 powered SIIs but that certainly wasn't the case. i put more weight on my hardware knowledge than what any reviewer has to say. adding 2GB of RAM was a real offshoot move by Samsung. i wouldn't expect anyone else to do that anytime soon so 1GB will be enough and i'd rather have better performing RAM than more RAM than necessary.

4. i was merely citing one of the advantages of having a smaller display but we're not talking along the lines of the freaking iPhone. it's tiny! i brought up qHD for it's battery consumption not because of it's matrix.

5. ?

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 19:53

103. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

6. it's your opinion that Music Hub is better and besides MotoCast is used for more than just music. i didn't even know anyone used Music Hub tbh. xD i explained the advantages of Webtop to you and you don't HAVE to spend $250 to use it, it works through straight HDMI. oh yeah, how could i think wireless printing is as important as font editing? there's plenty of third party apps that do better than Samsung's offerings too so don't even go there. yeah, same with NFC there pal.

7. facts based on what? their opinions? xD

8. is that the best you got?

9. uh no, this is me telling what functionality a certain program has not me telling you how well it works for me which is pretty well btw.

10. yes and the Intl. is better than everything so what's your point? there's things that Motorola devices can do that Samsung devices can't do too so again, what's your point? i think you're forgetting a lot of other things too like Motorola's reliability in wireless reception and plenty of other useful features.

oh my god you're so stupid. i literally face palmed. i am so done with you after this. we are talking about an entirely different phone. we're not making this about the Intl. because i know it's better than everything simply because of that godly 4412, that's enough. my argument from the beginning has been about the US version, the AT&T version. whatever "better representation" it has doesn't change the fact that an S4 beats inside of it. the image sensor for the Razr HD is confirmed as F2.4 so it's good there. wouldn't be a worry for me the extra money would be worth it.

you brought it up guy, you brought it up but it doesn't matter, i'm through arguing with you. i literally can't stand having this discussion with you anymore so good day sir.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 20:12

104. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

Haha well considering that your leaving I might as well post 1 more..

1. I basically already addressed that.

2. Because you claim the Razr web browser was just as smooth as samsung devices... and articles have said otherwise..

3. S3 devices weren't smooth... I'll just move on from there. From what ive seen, you need to up your hardware knowledge.. and I guess if your so Einstein sign up at PhoneArena, PhoneDog, you pick, because there seems to be a great deal of intelligence the mobile world hasn't stumbled upon yet.. Haha and so is making a 5.3 inch phone right?

4. Oh so for you battery drain, which is not as noticeable as display quality, matters more when choosing displays. You are the 1%

6. Oh yes, connecting phones to the TV via HDMI. First of all, once again, doesn't improve the phone itself and requires externals to prove useful. And once again, connecting phones to TVs has never been that popular at all, functionality is not optimal. No one is going to use thier TV to charge, or browse the web via TV screen, and most people do not purchase movies for their phones but via their computers or TV's. The reason this is implied is because that service has not become popular whatsoever.

7. I don't see how lack of something like smart stay is subjective.. but ok.. I'll end it there.

8. "Best I've got" .. Wtf is that the best YOU'VE got?

9. This has become to garbled I don't even know what you were referring to.

10. Once again, speaking in generalities, but ok.

Image sensor - same as iPhone sooo. Next statement .. subjective to your own personality..

representation - If you don't understand what I'm saying, your dumb.

Good day =) .. I'm sure we'll meet again =D

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 01:54 1

7. rahulcena5565 (Posts: 57; Member since: 01 Nov 2010)

Motorola redefined Ugly!

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 01:56 1

8. dan86 (Posts: 298; Member since: 17 Mar 2012)

Where is Moto Quad?

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 02:05 1

10. IamYourFather6657 (Posts: 321; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)

If i am not wrong this phone rocks a snapdragon s4 .
And I have a feeling that next nexus will have snapdragon s4

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 02:13 1

12. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

Well, there might be about 4 Nexus' next time around. Most, if not all, will most likely have the S4, but the Moto Nexus might have the OMAP5 chip in it. The Samsung Nexus might have the Exynos 5; I don't know the status of production on the S4 Pro, but if it can be used in phones about the time of the release of the Nexus' the HTC and LG (or Sony) Nexus' will probably have that.

posted on 05 Jul 2012, 02:17 1

13. IamYourFather6657 (Posts: 321; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)

First gen moto dual core device packs tegra 2 .
But they suddenly change to Omap
Because they know that the next version of android will be better optimised for Omap .
So current motorola devices suddenly switching to snapdragon
You know what's going on with the next nexus

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