Motorola ATRIX HD revealed on Motorola's website with 4.5 inch screen
0. phoneArena 05 Jul 2012, 01:00 posted on
Looking like the Motorola DROID RAZR with its thin lines, Motorola's website showed off pictures of the Motorola ATRIX HD with a 4.5 inch ColorBoost display, backside made from Kevlar and water resistant innards...
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1. ogiveyakuza (Posts: 21; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)
after 2 month, motorola introduced you atrix maxx hd...
25. SupermanayrB (Posts: 590; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)
I'll take "That's The Opposite of Funny" for $200, Alex.
That joke was for Verizon. Motorola only releases phones on AT&T once a year.
28. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
oh you mean like the Backflip, Bravo, Flipside & Flipout? :P
2. baldilocks (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)
Not a fan of on screen buttons. Wasted screen real estate...
9. IamYourFather6657 (Posts: 321; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
Sorry but I think I like on screen ones more
16. roscuthiii (Posts: 2224; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Err... they actually add screen real estate. Otherwise, they'd be actual buttons aka, not part of the screen at all but part of the phone body. This way, when playing a game, or watching a video, the screen now gets to use space it wouldn't have had before.
18. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
> they actually add screen real estate. Otherwise, they'd be actual buttons aka
Simply not true. There's no rule that says you must have physical buttons.
29. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
there has to be some kind of buttons so what do you suggest?
26. jaytai0106 (Posts: 1888; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
Motorola released a statement before that they wouldn't make any phone with screen size larger than 4.3", so they made a 4.5" is pretty impressing.
3. JcHnd (Posts: 97; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Hmmm I wouldn't change my Motorola Defy by this, specs are great buy moto needs to release a new "real" rugged phone
19. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Moto released the Defy+ in parts of Europe. I've read some people got the German version and use English as the default language.
33. JcHnd (Posts: 97; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
still, not a new device... we need better specs! :D
5. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
That's one good looking phone. Looks like this is AT&T's version of the Razr HD, let's just hope they don't come out with a MAXX version of this soon after the release. Expandable memory, HD screen, and only 8.5 mm thin. And I'm loving that clock/weather widget... Motorola just gets more and more appealing to me. I might pick up the international version of this, if the next iteration of the One series doesn't impress me... This is gonna be a tough decision, next One series, Razr HD, Motorola Nexus, or HTC Nexus. Different pros and cons... Ugh
6. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
There seem to be no "flagship" indicitant features here, and the measly 8GB of storage and 1780mAh battery will make this phone hard to sell at 200$, unless, you are selling it to iPhone users. I won't completely trash this phone though. If AT&T can slap on a 100$ price-tag to this, it would certainly be the premiere mid-range Android device.
11. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
How is this not a flagship? It's on par with about every other manufacturers flagship in the U.S. And the 8 GB is expandable, so just get a micro SD card. 1.5 GHz processor is most likely the S4, which is the new standard for flagships, 1 GB of RAM is the standard for flagships, though the U.S GS3 stepped it up with 2 GB. The screen is HD, and the battery is only 20 mAh below the battery in the One X. And with the Kevlar back it feels very premium in the hand. This will probably go for $200-250, because it is high end. This is in no way a mid-range device.
23. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
What are you talking about? Do you know the definition of "flagship" means for a device". Not only the best phone, but the phone they believe best represents the company and the phone they believe will be their main competitor in the market. 8GB maybe expandable but don't assume the buyer has a MicroSD and once again 8GB is not flagship.
S4 maybe flagship, but it is no selling point, and is now becoming so ubiquitous. I believe Exynos 5250 on a GalNote 2 will be a game changer. Screen is HD, I will give it that, but once again, not a selling point.
Lets not forget, the battery on the OX is relatively small, so it's no excuse that this phone is only 1780, it's other a further reflection of the low-powered components they must have used. And it is not removable, once again, not a selling point.
Kevlar is somewhat of a selling point, but phone's like the OX has more internal specs to justify it's purchase over ATRIX, even though it may not have Kevlar, so once again, not a selling point . See, Berzerk, Flagship devices need selling points, elements that make the buyer regret not taking a second look at "that other phone".
Why get the ATRIX over the OX or the Galaxy S3? All-in-all both phones have Gorrilla Glass 2, so your screen will be fine. And both phones sport more battery and storage, at a 200$ price, it would be somewhat obvious, unless Kevlar is really worth that money to you, which isn't a bad thing of course -- so far, it is the only unique aspect of this phone and if this is what you define as "flagship", well I'm sorry lol your just not right.
24. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I'm sorry, I was a bit unclear in my previous comment, I meant this is supposed flagship 'material'. This has all the things current flagships from other manufacturers have, with some things taken away, and some things added. It has the same selling points the current high-end flagships have; HD screen, S4 processor, etc. Though, it doesn't have 2 GB of RAM or a removeable battery like the GS3, it has a Kevlar back, which is indeed much preferred over the polycarbonate because it feels nicer (to most people at least).
And the battery isn't really a downfall of this phone, or the One X, because they are both using the latest processors which increase battery life to where an average user will make it through the day with ease. Neither is the memory, because anyone in their right mind that needs more memory would just go out and get a micro SD card, and if memory is so important that they need more than the roughly 40 GB you could have just by getting a SD card, then they will certainly look at other options.
My point is, all the points you are making about why this device is supposedly worse than the offerings other manufacturers are putting out kind of invalid, because the manufacturer doesn't make devices for memory hogs, or heavy users, or mobile gamers. They make them for the average consumer. And for the average consumer, you can make it a day with the 1780 mAh battery, and you won't use up the 8 GB of memory, unless you keep all of your music on your phone, but even then you would need to pick up a 4-8 GB SD card, which you would be advised to do anyways.
And even if you are apart of the 1% of consumers who use their phone for photography, or gaming, or whatever. You're going to pick up a SD card regardless just to make room. Or maybe you just don't like TouchWiz or Sense? Maybe you don't like the design of the GS3 or the One X, or maybe you prefer Motorola because of their well performing antennae? If not, then go with the One X or GS3. That's the whole point of Android, to have options to fit your needs.
Sorry, kind of went on a tangent, here's my main point; Verizon and Motorola are very close, Moto isn't going to give out it's flagship to AT&T out of the blue before Verizon gets it. This probably isn't their flagship, it's just something to keep their users on AT&T happy. They probably will release a phone on Verizon more suitable for the title of flagship; probably the Razr HD, and if not, well then I'll stick my foot in my mouth and be on my way.
27. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
First of all, I want to address the 1% comment. If you really think only 1% of smartphone users play games or use their phones as cameras, I am sorry but you are sadly mistaken. And, the average customer may not even know the differences between TouchWiz or Sense, but average customers are not brain dead idiots either. They will value the phone with more battery, a better camera, more storage, bigger screen etc.
And no, devices are not made to cater to one specification the most (memory hogs, heavy users), flagship devices are what you call WELL-ROUNDED, and I don't think I have to further explain myself there. I simply don't understand you whole MicroSD rant. Why don't just buy the phone with more memory, GS3 or OX, at the same price?
This phone is basically most other flagship Android phones, without several key implementations, so if sold for the same price, why but it? That's like being given the option of two identical Ferraris, but one has more horsepower and a better sound system, for the exact same price. Well... the option becomes quite easy doesn't it. This is the same case here UNLESS AT&T can sell this at a lower price, if so, then this device could be very successful.
You are also mistaken with the concept of selling point. A selling point is not a selling point unless that specific device is compared to another without the same spec. That's like saying a 1080p display is a selling point for a LED-HDTV. No, because nearly every TV has HD, and while not every phone has an HD screen, there are some clearly better options within phones that do. Kevlar is the only real selling point.
Ok, a phone, at it's base price, is not valued by what you can improve upon to make it better, but rather what it gives to you out of the box. Buying an SD card is very smart of course but then again, the options are so simply, why buy a phone with less storage out of the box as opposed to one with more? It simply makes no sense, as if the customer is purposely choosing the less capable option.
And I don't see how this keeps most AT&T users happy, when they have the One X and Galaxy S3.. I don't see what this offers, that's the problem, this phone doesn't really OFFER anything, with the exception of Kevlar, which, to be, is not enough to slap on an identical 200$ price point.
Remember, the ATRIX 2's selling point was it's price, and rightfully so, as it was missing a few key specifications from most phones at the time. Remeber? 100$? That very unfunny commercial about a 4G phone only costing 100$? Clearly Moto has swam in these waters before.
The price will be the base by which I will judge this phone. If it is 150$, it's a great deal. If it's 200$ it's simply common sense to look the other way.
31. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
maybe you should explain to us why a One X and the SIII are more compelling buys than this?
49. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Sweet mother of God, I'm getting tired of typing. Ok, everything that was said by both of us can be nullified by two words; 'personal preference'. But anyways, I'll tell you what was in my last comment edit again, since you forgot to address it, or didn't read it; Verizon and Motorola are very close, Moto isn't going to give out it's flagship to AT&T out of the blue before Verizon gets it. This probably isn't their flagship, it's just something to keep their users on AT&T happy. They probably will release a phone on Verizon more suitable for the title of flagship; probably the Razr HD.
Also, your car reference wasn't a good one. It would been better if it went like this; two Ferraris, one has more horsepower, and a better sound system. But one has an interior made from different materials, a different body style, and has been reviewed to have better handling. Both for the same price. Which one? The answer; it depends on the buyer.
30. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
that would be consistent with the Atrix's Status on AT&T being a cheaper, high-end alternative.
40. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Whether or not a phone is a compelling buy is completely subjective. To a certain market, the Razr Maxx would be the most compelling buy at the moment. So compelling buy in itself is also subjective.
Nevertheless, The Atrix would be an extremely compelling deal, even more so than the S3 or the One X at a price of 150$, that is the point I was trying to make. There would be no way the Atrix could compete at the 200$ price point, like I said, but a lower price would be a great selling point for this phone. I never said the Atrix was a bad phone, I simply said it could never compete in the 200$ market...
41. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Lol and I love how you are going through each comment trolling so hard... good one..
44. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i disagree, it's of course better for the phone to be priced lower out of the gate like this. that's something that made the Atrix 2 such a nice offering from AT&T & Motorola but that also had a lot to do with it not having LTE, it had everything else BUT LTE. now the Atrix 3 is here continuing in the same footsteps however it brings generally everything that it's brethren on the upper most pedestals for the carrier have. now we're discussing trade-offs. we all know each OEM has specific strengths and weaknesses when being stacked up to different OEMs, Motorola is no exception. the reason why i asked you what makes the other offerings more compelling is that if you're adding a gimmick here and a feature there to the comparison which is what one would think you're doing being that the aforementioned are so similar spec-wise you might not be remembering all of the trade offs in favor of the Atrix and that's not your fault, on the contrary, i've had much experience with Motorola devices and i know all the ins and outs. for starters the Atrix HD has what is perhaps the most critically acclaimed ICS build on the Market right now. it's nearly stock ICS but it adds some Motorola personality in subtle & clever ways. next is it's inclusion of Webtop 3.0 which is very practical for the everyday business user. i've had experience with the software because i own a Lapdock 500 and i've been running ICS on the Razr and my dad has been running it on his MAXX for 3 months now. this is a great combination if you want something bigger to use like a Tablet or Netbook but don't want to shell out for the extra data, no such concession exists with Webtop because the phone supplements 100% of your data without having to pay for a tethering plan and Version 3.0 is vastly superior to previous builds. my dad uses it with his MAXX every day and he has a Tablet. next is Motorola's superb build quality. most would say it's rivaled by none other than the few exceptions every once in a while i'll admit but generally Motorola devices are built to last, i mean the Atrix here has a Backplate made of Kevlar Microfibers, same material used in Bullet Proof Vests which keeps it light and durable, what more would you want? water resistance? it has that too. i've dropped my Razr in water plenty of times, sometimes just to show off to my friends that own iPhones, works as well as before and then we have Motorola's excellent radios at play here. if you want to keep a data signal or if you want the clearest sounding phone calls then look no further. Motorola is definitely the best in this category. all of this at below average price is a heck of a deal but even at the normal flagship price it's something to consider.
i'm no troll, i'm the king baby, i'd memorize that real quick. ;)
46. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
OEM strengths and weaknesses - Firstly, though the whole dock thing maybe true, you cite use such a minority accessory as a true advantage. Cellphone docks, while innovative, are extremely unpractical and most people have laptop that are able to do 10 times the work with 20 times the efficiency. And docks cost like 100 extra anyway.
What you're saying there is that this phone would appeal to the business user, that returns to my argument of selling points, which I also stated to be subjective because there are a handful of people that value certain specifications over others, like a keyboard dock, and that's ok, but that's an entirely different world to argue. Me and the other guy were arguing how this phone will appeal to the everyday market.
If you were to talk about OEM credibility, Samsung would absolutely sweep this category. Firstly, Motorola is no perfectionist, i.e Bionic that should've been Razr, Razr, pointless Motorola Droid X2, Whose to say there won't be an Atrix Maxx to render this original model pointless? I'm sure you'll be quick to pull out Samsung Galaxy M and stuff like that but that's not the same comparison because those devices were not meant for the same market. Motorola pulled an HTC and released a bunch of different "flagship" phones, most of which were replaced by a significantly superior model within a few months.
Samsung on the other hand, made MASSIVE innovation with their Galaxy line, fixing near, if not all of Android's OS issues while employing some rich, new additions (AMOLED, Galaxy Note etc), while Motorola released the very successful Razr... but then... Razr Maxx.. Sure the build was great, but the OS was simply outmatched by TouchWiz's fluidity and stability and then there was Pentile, non removable battery, that has not yet been quelled with this phone. I've ranted before on how Motorola was pointlessly pursuing the whole "thin-phone" thing, which, to this day has not proven to be that much of an advantage, instead, limiting space for I/O and battery. Then there's Motoblur...
Meanwhile, Samsung was releasing a line of incredibly well-made phones, Galaxy S, Galaxy S2, Skyrocket, Epic 4G Touch, Galaxy Note, Galaxy Nexus and now Galaxy S3. Samsung has made so little mis-steps in recent years, if any. All phones sticking to the Samsung philosophy of stability, innovation and dependability. I don't see any gimmicks here. And as far as the S3, Removable battery, which is a really big deal, believe it or not, larger screen real estate -- I know it's subjective but aye, bigger is better and a very responsive, fluid and proven UI, Motorola hasn't really reached that level yet, even with the Razr Maxx.
Kevlar - Yes, I know it's on bullet-proof vests, but don't go dumping lead into your MAXX =P .. But yes, Moto has defintiely earned a good, if not, the best reputation for build quality, but that is only started with the Droid Razr anyway, nevertheless, is still an advantage.
50. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
you fail to see the point. first of all the updated version hasn't been available to people since literally a few days ago. i've been running leaks for the past three months. we'll see what AT&T & Motorola do for the marketing campaign for this but if they include mentioning that in a time of tiered data it'll catch on, namely to business users like i mentioned before. that brings me to my second point. with a Laptop you'd have to pay for tethering for it. with a Lapdock you don't have to plus it's a more reliable connection since it only relies on the Phone's Radio and then on top of that the Lapdock charges your Phone and with Android 4.0 it has USB Host Support so you can plug a mouse, a printer, a usb drive or whatever else you can think of up to it. there's very practical uses for it that people would only just now be finding out about.
your arguments are outdated. you have no idea what you're talking about. go look at the ICS reviews for the Razr. Moto's nearly stock UI is being acclaimed by critics and consumers alike as the best ICS UI thus far. and as far as Pentile is concerned it exists on the SIII but is a non issue because of it's higher pixel density, same concept with the Atrix plus we don't even know what kind of display it packs so you were a little early to the punch there. hasn't gotten anywhere? oh so having an 8mm thick phone with a 3300mAh battery is nowhere to you huh? display size is a trade off and while i agree that having a removable battery is nice it's not important enough to peel any eyes off the Atrix HD.
i'm not saying it's going to stop a bullet, i'm saying jt's symbolical of how much Moto cares about Craftsmanship. i saw an SIII today and as much as i love Samsung i think they did a really bad job constructing the SIII, it feels wayyyy too cheap. no, actually they've held that for a while. you obviously don't pay much attention to Motorola. your arguments are made from ignorance.
53. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Lapdock - The only market that this attracts is the business users, it would've made much more sense for this to be implemented as a larger battery, instead of a completely new laptop dock. You seem to completely ignore the fact that the docks cost 100$+ which would call to question the whole point of even buying one. I never denied that this would be good for business users, but most of the casual market do not use their phone in an environment where a dock would be practical, we don't all operate around a desk or something of the sort. Yes, you can charge the phone, but then again, most phones have enough battery to last the entire day. Consumers are well aware of lapdocks but the idea doesn't hold enough practical weight for it to become that innovative. Most people are aware of and look for that functionality on a tablet, like I mentioned before. I guess you are refering to the lapdock for travel, but then again, even in that category it has not become significant enough for people to want it, unless you are a business user, again. Unless you are a business user, that argument has no weight.
I have no idea what I'm talking about, stop getting so emotionally envolved, please.
ICS on Razr - i've seen the reviewers, but this is not the same ICS that will be on the Atrix, so we can make assumptions, but we cannot draw conclusions. This new one on the Atrix clearly has a different skin, and we don't know how well it will perform in terms of fluidity, keyboard, animations etc. We can clearly see on the advertisement the Atrix employs a look unlike the one found on the Razr, so again, those assumptions cannot be made.
Yes, Pentile was on the GS3 but Samsung moved the pixels closer together to remedy this issue. The presence of Pentile mattered more on the Droid Razr because it wasn't an HD screen, and the pixels were so obviously visible. And yes, I know the MAXX was thin, but I guess you completely missed my point - THE MAXX SHOUDLVE BEEN THE ONLY RAZR. The origi Oh and ok, charging your phone with a 100$+ dock is important but a replacable battery, which costs less, isn't important enough.
My arguements are made from ignorance, I don't see where I've been wrong so far, so no.