Moto X sized up with iPhone 5, Droid RAZR and Galaxy S4, looking compact
1. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Motorala X kind of died after they announced it was a mid end phone.
26. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3492; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
If it, at all, did die...how are you here commenting and replying on an article related to the X.
To me it looks good...and half of the consumers out there want a good looking device first. Of course there are always people like you who dig deeper into the root to see what it's made of.
Reality check: more than half of the population don't care what's ticking inside. It's just people like us.
2. TechEnthu (Posts: 19; Member since: 08 May 2013)
High End?? I thought Moto X was Mid range smartphone..
3. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Its upper mid end, same category as an iphone 5, galaxy s3 and such, 720p isn't bad but sorry dual core 1.7ghz snapdragon won't cut it.
10. troutsy (Posts: 309; Member since: 17 Feb 2012)
Or we could all acknowledge that the S4 Pro was plenty adequate for last years phones, and the Motorola X8 that improves on it may be a very adequate processor for this years phones?
You know why Samsung isn't packing desktop processors into their phones? BATTERY LIFE... There has to be a reasonable upper limit.
Get the phone or not, there will be plenty of Moto X users out there that have discovered what Apple and Windows Phone users have been enjoying for years--Adequate specs and user experience rule over "mine's bigger than yours".
12. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
"Adequate specs and user experience"
Stock is the best Android User experience, nexus 4 for its price range is still King in that department (In US only)
16. pwnarena (Posts: 1128; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)
nexus 4 price attractiveness only applies in the US. it's way more expensive outside of the US.
20. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1064; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
And how would you know the Motorola UI is not the same if not better than stock android when it comes to the Android experience? The phone hasn't been released yet so I would hold off any judgment until you actually see the device in action. I mean we are talking about Google, the company responsible for making Android, collaborating with Motorola on this phone's software and hardware.
21. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
The Moto X is going to run stock Android, or extremely close to it.
Shatter, at this point, having seen your posts, it's safe to say that you really don't know what you're talking about.
15. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
"You know why Samsung isn't packing desktop processors into their phones? BATTERY LIFE... There has to be a reasonable upper limit."
I would love to see them try to do that, the phone would be a massive brick that was a few inches thick and would be too hot to hold and would probably light on fire before the battery died.
The best phone chips right now don't even compare to desktop chips from 5 years ago. Part of it is battery life, the main part of it is the size and heat produced is insanely high compared to a phone chip.
33. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
"The best phone chips right now don't even compare to desktop chips from 5 years ago."
I wouldn't say that. If benchmarks are anything to go by, the Ativ Q (Core i5-4200U) scores 54,000-56,000 in AnTuTu, which is about 60% higher than what the Snapdragon 800 scores. I highly doubt Intel only made a performance difference of 60% between their desktop chips from 5 years ago (Core 2 Quad/Core 2 Extreme) and their laptop chips of 2013 (Haswell Core i5).
35. MattyP (Posts: 19; Member since: 31 Jul 2013)
Not to say the benchmarks for their chips don't compare to desktop chips from five years ago (would need to see actual numbers) but mentioning an ultra low voltage mid-range and lower clocked current gen processor doesn't really show evidence of current desktop CPU benchmarks.
A quad-core i7-4770k at not overclocked would destroy the i5-4200u. Even an i7-4650u is much better.
38. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I'm aware of that, but we were comparing current phone SoCs to 5 year old desktop CPUs, not modern day Haswell i7 beasts. I was using the i5-4200U as a reference because it's the only modern Intel CPU that can run the same benchmarks as Android (AnTuTu on the Ativ Q).
I'm pretty sure an i5-4200U is more capable than a Core 2 Quad or a Wolfdale Core 2 Duo by more than 60%, making the Snapdragon 800 just as or even more powerful than desktop processors of 5 years ago, which was the whole argument.
46. MattyP (Posts: 19; Member since: 31 Jul 2013)
Well, I was just wondering about your comparison method and why you'd be trying to make a comparison/estimate from the i5-4200u to judge performance of an old desktop processor and relate it to a mobile SoC. If its simply because thats the only benchmark you have, thats fine.
Cpubenchmark.com can give the passmark to compare something like a five yr old Core 2 Duo E8400 to the i5-4200u...which looks to be 64% increase
(Passmark is 2170 for the E8400 and 3577 for the 4200u). So if the 4200u scores 60% better than the Snapdragon 800 in Antutu, the five yr old desktop CPU is about the same, if we use a transitive property.
Also, excuse my error in my last post, I put "doesn't show performance of current gen desktop CPU benchmarks" when I meant "old gen CPU benchmarks."
Either way, you're making an assumption from a transitive property of saying an i5 laptop processor compared to old desktop processor to current phone processor, that we have no idea if accurate without benchmarks from five years ago hardware in the same tests such as Antutu.
48. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I used AnTuTu to compare the i5-4200U to the Snapdragon 800 and Geek Bench to compare the i5-4200U (about 5,500) to the Core 2 Duo E7400 (about 3,200, released in Q1 2008), which gives it about a 70% advantage, making the Snapdragon 800 about on par, or maybe a small amount more powerful by a transitive property like you said.
I know these numbers can't be exact as there's no Android tablet using a 5 year old desktop CPU to run AnTuTu, but it gives us a rough idea of where these processors stand when compared to each other.
47. MattyP (Posts: 19; Member since: 31 Jul 2013)
Oh, BTW...from looking at the Snapdragon 800 Antutu leaks, it says ~33000, while the i5-4200u scores ~55,000 as you said, so around a 66% increase in performance. So could we assume the Core 2 Duo is probably around 5% better than the Snapdragon 800? Either way, if we use this method of comparison, it's fair to say the current gen phone processors are just barely behind, if at all, to five yr old desktop processors.
4. milesboy5 (Posts: 175; Member since: 07 Nov 2012)
High end software features... mid range spec sheet.
9. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1064; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
The Lumia 1020 and iPhone 5 are both considered "high-end" in their respective fields and they both employ dual-core processors (and even at lower clock speeds), so you could technically say it is high-end. The problem with Android and Android manufacturers (those who place their own custom UIs on their devices) in the past is that the software wasn't optimized enough, so you almost had to have a quad-core phone in order to have a good experience. Now that Google is working hand in hand with Motorola, those software issues will most likely become history.
25. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Hmmm.. I think Iphone and lumia 1020 are considered high end because they are the best in terms of everything in then platform. While moto x might have one of the smoothest performance once announced, it can never be considered high end because there are better products than it. In short, if you gave the device the best of the best for a platform, it can be then considered high end.
This goes also to nexus 4. It is now considered a mid range like xperia zr.
11. phil2n (Posts: 487; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Their campaign is not by specs, its by performance
13. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
The motorala X is basically a beefed up galaxy s3 specs wise.
19. Retro-touch (Posts: 272; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
Use your brain for a second, performance isn't all about specs, that's what he means, if it has a great user experience and useful software then its better than quad core alternatives that lag to kingdom come
32. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Yeah, and my GS3 runs perfectly unless I'm multitasking heavily on Touchwiz, which means this will be insanely fast on near stock.
CPU power has become irrelevant at this point, all we need now is a proper GPU and a supplementary amount of memory, which the Moto X delivers with the Adreno 320 and 2 GB of RAM. Otherwise, it's all about the experience, and I feel like the Moto X will have the best Android experience around right next to the Nexus line.
Also, at the price, you shouldn't be complaining about specs. It will be cheap off contract ($300 base), and will be available on many different carriers. That, and the $500 million marketing campaign Google has for it, this will be a great seller.
5. wendygarett (unregistered)
Anyway, Samsung wins, sorry to say that moto :)
7. mi55u (unregistered)
Im sorry but moto will fail this year, DOA
14. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Just hope they surprise everybody Thursday with a flagship version of the Motorala X or this will be a failure.
22. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
How will this be a failure? It will have pretty good specs, be priced at 299 or even below, come in many different color options, the camera sounds promising, it looks compact but with a pretty big and nice screen. And it is assembled in America, which they will market heavily here in the USA and will help sales.
8. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3690; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
Yes, don't go with its price, it's upper mid-end phone, but I think S4 is the most compact high-end Android phone.
36. SmartPhoneSpirit (Posts: 8; Member since: 30 Jul 2013)
It scored 19.000 in antutu so a dual-core beat a quad-core(xperia z).
17. bogdancirstea (Posts: 13; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
as soon as you drop the phone on the margins, it will crack the whole screen
18. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I can't believe that there are still a ton of haters on these threads bitching about how the Moto X doesn't have a quad core FU.CKING processor and an insanely dense HD screen, so it's automatically a s**tty phone and DOA.
There are cool features on this phone that make even non techy peoples' eyes bug out and a likely price point that, as demonstrated by the Nexus 4 last year, will likely result in huge demand.
As I said two years ago when the initial buyout deal went public, I think Google's going to turn Motorola's sales around now.
23. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
It is because neckbeards don't realize that the average consumer doesn't care that much about specs. If the phone is snappy, has a crisp/vibrant/bright screen and can take good pictures while possibly looking good....thats what the consumer will care about. Plus google and motorola will be advertising how it is made in america heavily, which will work well in the US in this economy...especially at the rumored price.
24. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Bingo, bingo, bingo, bingo, and bingo. I will point again and again to the Nexus 4 as an example that if you price a phone right and it works well enough, it's going to sell amazingly well. Granted, the N4 was higher end compared to the competition at the time, but I think the general populace will realize that since the S3 still works really well, you don't need the quad core processor that the S4 has in order to run Android well.
30. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
My U.S GS3 still works perfectly unless I do some heavy multitasking (switching between 4 apps, one of them being the web browser where I have 4+ tabs open), but even then it's only a slight stutter. The Moto X not only has a higher clocked CPU, but the GPU is much more capable than that of the GS3. And if it's using Motorola's X8 custom chip, it will have dedicated cores to take off some of the load from the main applications core. Basically, this thing will fly if it's running mostly stock.
Not only that, but for the price (rumored $300 off contract for 16 GB), you shouldn't be complaining about the specs.
44. Twashbush (Posts: 47; Member since: 08 Jun 2011)
Seems Merryman and Sniggly get it, I use a 2 year old Moto Razr Maxx and yeah i get a bit of lag on it now and then. and in my new phone i don't care if it has the worlds fastest mobile processor.
What I and most of the people care about is:
1. Can it perform the functions I regularly use my phone for.
2. Battery life
3. Is it durable
4. Does it look good / social symbol
last point is not really on my list but hey hype sells a lot of iphones.
45. Twashbush (Posts: 47; Member since: 08 Jun 2011)
the only question in my mind of my next phone is do i get the X or pay full retail for a Droid Maxx to get longer battery life. ( I have to pay full retail to keep my unlimited data on verizon)
29. NexusPhan (Posts: 600; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
The thing is, it does have a quad core processor and the most powerful quad core gpu available for a phone today. This is a high spec phone, except the 720p screen (but it's a full RGB (non-pentile) 720p 4.7" screen which is definitely adequate) I don't even care about specs but this thing blows the iPhone 5 our of the water in specs. It'll give the GS4 a run for it's money.
41. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
Thats not entirely accurate, the GPU is last years 320, not the 330 which is the current most powerful. But it is definitely a powerful gpu, and should be good for the next couple years at least.
27. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
Man the iPhone is so puny.
28. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
That bezel! It has a 4.7" display and it's THAT much smaller than the Galaxy S4?
31. NexusPhan (Posts: 600; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
Amazing, right? Same size screen as the Nexus 4 but 3mm narrower and 10mm shorter. It's basically all screen. It's going to look bezel-less once actually held in the hand.
34. Igneel (Posts: 19; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
Have you take a look at the Xperia ZL? It has a 5" display yet still no larger than a Nexus 4. That is much more impressive to me.
39. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I don't know. A device with a 5" screen being just as large as a Nexus 4 seems like less of an accomplishment than a device with a 4.7" that's smaller than the Razr (4.3" display). Granted, the Razr has pretty large bezels, but just from looking at this and comparing the Galaxy S2 (4.3" display with small bezels) with the Razr, the Moto X looks like it's just a bit taller and wider than the S2 (maybe 1-2 mm). That's just me guessing from looking, though.
40. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5704; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
yeah, engineering-wise as much as Samsung would have you believe otherwise their work doesn't compare to Moto's.
37. Just.Me (Posts: 23; Member since: 24 Apr 2013)
Last night i found my old old old motorola international 7500 in a box in the basement. i plugged it into the car charger and it actually still works. After more than 13 years it still works
42. galanoth (Posts: 423; Member since: 26 Nov 2011)
The GS4 is the smallest smartphone by overall volume (L x W x H) for a 5 inch screen if I'm not mistaken.
43. Twashbush (Posts: 47; Member since: 08 Jun 2011)
But some of us don't want a phone that big, I have a moto razr maxx now ( with a gel protector) and it just fits in the phone pocket on my duty pants. I have a Nexus 7 wifi that i can use with my phones wifi hotspot if i want to use a bigger screen.