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Moto X may have Magic Glass, Aluminum Structure, and Dual LTE MIMO

0. phoneArena 26 Jul 2013, 22:10 posted on

Another day, another few leaks about what to expect from the Motorola Moto X. This time around, we're getting more info on what to expect from the hardware and build quality of the device. This info comes again from Taylor Wimberly who has already put out info claiming that the Moto X would have options to have wood, metal, or ceramic backplates...

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posted on 26 Jul 2013, 22:19 4

1. milan03 (Posts: 8; Member since: 28 May 2013)


So who can explain WTF Dual LTE MIMO is besides being the ridiculous marketing term?

posted on 26 Jul 2013, 22:36 12

2. o0Exia0o (Posts: 428; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


Dual LTE MIMO antennas are used in LTE Advanced for VOLTE (Voice over LTE). An LTE Advanced device has to have dual LTE MIMO antennas as one is receiving the data stream while the other is sending data from the device to the tower. If this rumor is true this device should be able to have a data streaming speed of 150 Mbps which is truly fast compared to the devices of today.

posted on 26 Jul 2013, 23:05 1

4. milesboy5 (Posts: 170; Member since: 07 Nov 2012)


thanks for the explanation...even though I didn't ask.

posted on 26 Jul 2013, 23:15 1

7. o0Exia0o (Posts: 428; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


Your welcome. No problem.

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 09:14

30. milan03 (Posts: 8; Member since: 28 May 2013)


Wrong.
Every LTE device on the market EVER had two antennas, LTE main and LTE diversity. WTF is Dual MIMO other than marketing crap. All LTE smartphones on the market have been 2x2 MIMO on the Downlink and 1x2 SIMO on the uplink.
Cat 3 or 4 baseband processor is incapable of processing more than 2x2 MIMO leveraging spatial multiplexing. Category 5 should be able to support Higher order MIMO like 4x4 which is due end of next year or 2015. So no...

Even Galaxy S4 LTE-A doesn't market that phone as "Dual LTE MIMO" because it's mandatory for every phone to have two LTE antennas.

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 10:02 5

31. o0Exia0o (Posts: 428; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


And that's where you are only partially right. Every device has 2 antennas. One for GSM/CDMA connection and one for LTE connection, but for VoLTE you have to have dual MIMIO antennas again because one antenna is sending data and the other antenna is receiving data at the same time. With out the dual MIMO (LTE) set up the device CANNOT run on a VoLTE network. Read the links provided as they will help to explain what you are missing

http://rfsolutions.pctel.com/artifacts/MIMOWhitePaperRevB-FINAL.pdf

http://telcoantennas.com.au/site/telstra-4g-explained

http://www.ieee.li/pdf/viewgraphs/antenna_design_lte.pdf

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 10:07 3

32. o0Exia0o (Posts: 428; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


^^I hope this helps you to understand^^

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 10:16 2

33. o0Exia0o (Posts: 428; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


Heres another article to help you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIMO

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 16:09

36. milan03 (Posts: 8; Member since: 28 May 2013)


I would like to remind you that dual LTE antenna setup is required for Release 8 operation on the downlink UE side. It's been in use on virtually every phone since HTC Thunderbolt 2 years ago. Go ahead and open any FCC filing of your choice on any LTE device, and you'll find LTE main and LTE diversity.

Baseband processor isn't capable of processing more than TWO spatial streams, and having two times the amount LTE antennas (4) would be redundant in terms of throughput. So no...

Also, to prove that it's all marketing, look at Samsung GS4 LTE-Advanced that's being sold in Korea, that is supporting their VoLTE network, and tell me if you've ever seen them advertising any "Dual MIMO" nonsense.
Also look at their filings for that phone, and you'll realize that antenna setup is exactly the same as any other LTE phone, including Moto X.

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 18:45 1

37. o0Exia0o (Posts: 428; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


OK. At this point I know that your ether a troll or a retard. I am done. I have given you all of the material you need to understand Dual LTE MIMO Antennas and why they are needed. If you did not read it or understand it, it is all you fault.

And NO. No 4G LTE phones (with the exception of the GS4 I9506) have more than 1 LTE antenna. The cell phones of today have 4 antennas; 1 LTE, 1 CDMA/GSM, 1 Wifi, and 1 Bluetooth. That's it nothing more. This phone (if the rumors are true) would come with 5 antennas; 2 LTE (Dual LTE MIMO Antenna), 1 CDMA/GSM, 1 Wifi, and 1 Bluetooth.

GO TROLL SOMEWHERE ELSE!

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 21:35

38. milan03 (Posts: 8; Member since: 28 May 2013)


Oh we resort to name calling?! Oh how helpless.

Anyhow, let's take a look on some obvious examples from recent FCC filings all with multiple LTE antennas:

GS3 LTE, chapter 1.3: apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=​1910663

GS4: droid-life.com/2013/03/29/verizons-samsung-galaxy-​s4-cruises-through-fcc-wonder-when-theyll-acknowle​dge-it/

You get my point. Feel free to visit FCC site and educate yourself.

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 12:01 1

34. GeneralTsosChicken (Posts: 22; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)


Haha, You Got Served!

posted on 26 Jul 2013, 22:45

3. jedpatrickdatu (Posts: 156; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)


Looks luscious and beautiful.

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 00:39

21. JojoGo101 (Posts: 211; Member since: 17 Dec 2012)


This can't be real. I don't believe in the phone customization part and we've already seen photos of the dotted plastic back of the Moto X.

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 01:13

22. Commentator (Posts: 2494; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


How awesome would it be if those photos and old rumored specs were just elaborate decoys, and Moto just blew us away with something totally next-gen? I mean, the price of the thing would skyrocket, but even so... Maybe they could make two!

posted on 26 Jul 2013, 23:09

5. Shatter (Posts: 2031; Member since: 29 May 2013)


Sorry but its still using an ancient dual core cpu...

posted on 26 Jul 2013, 23:13 11

6. o0Exia0o (Posts: 428; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


What's bad about the CPU? In fact, the CPU is pretty awesome. Have you read the articles on the chip they're using? I think you should take a closer look at the hardware they're using. Might actually surprise and wow you. Motorola X 8 - 8 cores.

http://www.androidauthority.com/motorola-x8-mobile-computing-system-explained-248410/

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 00:35

20. alltechinside (Posts: 247; Member since: 21 Apr 2013)


Ya, I think this has to do with bad marketing from Motorola. I think they should have marketed like samsung with their "Octa" core. I was one of those people who was disappointed with the CPU until I read more in-depth about it. Then again, Moto X hasn't actually been announced yet XD

posted on 26 Jul 2013, 23:24

8. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5951; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


It would seem that Magic Glass is Moto's term for flexible display. I wonder who is supplying the flexible display? Sammy teased us with their version of flexible display early in the year but ultimately kept it back. Perhaps Corning is not as bashful?

posted on 26 Jul 2013, 23:27 7

9. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5645; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


the Moto X is shaping up to be a phone done very, very right. o:

posted on 26 Jul 2013, 23:30 3

10. o0Exia0o (Posts: 428; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


Indeed it is. What I would really like to see now is price and battery life info. Other than that I thank that this might be my neXt device.

posted on 26 Jul 2013, 23:40

11. evarod48 (Posts: 147; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


I've been waiting for a worthy phone, and this looks like a great choice. I think battery life will be above average, and priced at 150 on 300 off contract. Just wishful thinking though :)

posted on 26 Jul 2013, 23:42

12. o0Exia0o (Posts: 428; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


I was personally hoping for a $200 off contract price but from the leaks Ive seen It looks like it might be $299 which is still not bad.

posted on 26 Jul 2013, 23:46 9

13. o0Exia0o (Posts: 428; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


The one thing that is missing that would make this the perfect device is the micro SD card reader.

posted on 26 Jul 2013, 23:57 2

14. Hello-dirt (Posts: 102; Member since: 02 May 2010)


Amen!!!

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 00:02 2

17. irfanil (Posts: 26; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


+1 to that

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 05:43 1

27. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Just a few more days until the most well rounded Android phone gets launched. I just really hope it doesn't just have the S4 Pro, but Motorola's X8 custom chip.

4.5-4.7" 720p display
2 GB RAM
Motorola X8 chipset
Stock Android looks with a few extra great features
Near instant updates

All for $300 for the 16 GB variant. I'll pick up mine in white with a grey spine and white Kevlar back.

posted on 26 Jul 2013, 23:58 1

15. OldNorseBruin (Posts: 211; Member since: 12 Mar 2013)


Is picture #2 of a REMOVABLE battery? The only reason for phone manufacturers' to make embedded batteries is to force customers to BUY a new phone when the battery dies...And for companies that make their phones Non-removable, they should at least make those phones IP57 or IP58 Waterproof -certified!

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 00:04

19. OldNorseBruin (Posts: 211; Member since: 12 Mar 2013)


Sorry Typo: "...that make their BATTERIES Non-removable,..."

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 05:49 1

28. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Well, it might not have a removable battery. The back cover will be removable so you can swap it for one with a different color and/or material, but whether the battery will be accessible remains to be seen. Motorola's been using unibody designs without battery access for a while, so I would understand if they wouldn't include it now.

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 00:00 1

16. Jklaz (Posts: 124; Member since: 01 Jul 2013)


Seamless glass feeling all around would be verrry cool. Tired of the flimsy backplate on my gs3. Not to say I dont like the phone, it's just this design seems refreshing if its true

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 00:03 2

18. irfanil (Posts: 26; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


Are these just concept renders or this might be the actual device? If yes, it is beautiful :)

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 02:33

23. livyatan (Posts: 753; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)


This starts to shape up as the device of the year.
But this moto magic display now makes me see one headache of a repair-ability.

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 02:43

24. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


if the customized cpu will pay off Moto may finally propose something new and fresh. Something beyond increasing number of cores and size of a display. Fingers crossed.
Android phone worth of consideration, I hope.

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 02:54 1

25. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


At this point the only reason to shell out the extra money for a Droid MAXX would be the larger battery and storage. I'm really looking forward to this phone's launch.

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 13:40 2

35. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5645; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


and the bigger display but i'm not a big fan of anything over 4.7" though.

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 05:11

26. Xolar (Posts: 57; Member since: 02 Apr 2013)


hope it's specs are great and cheap..

posted on 27 Jul 2013, 08:25

29. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6729; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


Can we please wait till Thursday for the x conference?

posted on 28 Jul 2013, 08:02

39. DONUT (Posts: 307; Member since: 27 Jun 2013)


anyone else noticed that in picture 3, the hole for the camera flash on the back cover is over the battery?

posted on 28 Jul 2013, 08:36

40. roscuthiii (Posts: 1873; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


The Moto X may have even more than that... It may have my $$$ too.

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