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More rumors suggest Nokia is ready to sell their phone division to Microsoft

0. phoneArena 14 Dec 2011, 08:43 posted on

Danske Bank of Denmark issued a statement to their clients this morning that informs them of Nokia’s intentions to sell their phone division to Microsoft in the first half of 2012, something the Finnish manufacturer has denied before…

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posted on 14 Dec 2011, 08:54 4

1. bloodline (Posts: 694; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


This will def happen, nokia are struggling and it makes logical sense.

Android better bring its A game in 2012, Microsoft appear to have big plans

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 17:48 1

27. ledbetterp3 (Posts: 467; Member since: 31 Aug 2011)


They will... I don't think WP will have quad-core by 2012, or hd screens, so I'm pretty sure they'll be prepared...

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 08:54 1

2. terabyteRouser (Posts: 452; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Good.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 09:06 7

3. dha_george (Posts: 54; Member since: 27 Jan 2010)


this would make sense and when microsoft gets behind something they'll throw money at it until it is successfull ie. xbox

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 16:30 1

26. systamatics (Posts: 63; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)


Lol , ie?? internet explorer , lousiest browser on the planet

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 17:52 1

28. ledbetterp3 (Posts: 467; Member since: 31 Aug 2011)


that's not what he meant.............

posted on 15 Dec 2011, 12:02

32. systamatics (Posts: 63; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)


I know , i mocked using ie in his sentence (it means)

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 09:19

4. hepresearch (unregistered)


I told ya'll so months ago...

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 09:29 5

5. snowgator (Posts: 3294; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Okay, I love my WP, and I am excited about Nokia and Windows Phones alliance. But I just can't get excited about this. With the purchase of Motorola by Google, there is some precedent here that a.software company can buy a hardware company and still support an open source OS. But WP is not in that league yet. I love the idea of Nokia ex excelling in the hardware and Microsoft focusing on the software. Just seems like a natural.
I will admit that with the experience Microsoft has with the hardware of the XBOX they do have an advantage that Google doesn't. But I just do not see this as a good thing. Why would Samsung or HTC continue to develop for WP when Nokia will be their sole focus? Especially Samsung, who has so many other OS options. We will see. I still do not buy it.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 11:13 2

17. Penny (Posts: 1267; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


I concur...

Those were my initial thoughts as well. I don't doubt Microsoft can be successful at creating the hardware, but I think it's better off focusing on the software. And then there is always that nagging issue that it is just starting to get rolling with support from multiple OEMs, and a move like this may not be the right strategy (if it actually happens).

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 11:22 2

18. cdgoin (Posts: 370; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)


With HTC and Samsung taking major hits and no cover from Google in regards to the patent issues.. its only a matter of time until they work with MS and leave Google. Heck now they are even giving MS money for patents on thier Android offerings... so it only makes sense. But with that said, its the reason buying Nokia doesnt make a lot of sense.. it only makes sense if HTC and Samsung drop thier WP offerings for Android.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 15:54 1

25. Cwebb (Posts: 501; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


I agree, I think a software company (Google, Microsoft) should have a few OEMs if not just one that just chugs out high-quality phone for all price ranges and with all kinds of options, that will for sure get immediate support from the software company

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 19:27

29. Uzzelien (Posts: 131; Member since: 22 Feb 2011)


Only sorta, Google while they might start to make their own phones now really only got Moto so that they could get patents. While MS could do it for the same reason I don't see that going on as they're not in enough trouble with WP7. I think it would be interesting to see if they did it would they get help from Intel on making the Atom a lower power cpu.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 09:51 6

6. lubba (Posts: 1311; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


Worried now! I may never see an HTC WP again:'(

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 09:54

7. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5955; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


If the efforts to date constitute MS' 'AGame', they need to go back and re-work their business plan. Nokia's phone division is a shell of it's former self.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 09:56

8. Glim12808 (Posts: 393; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


I think it makes sense.
First, Microsoft seems to be veering more towards Apple's iOS way of doing things rather than Google's more open way.
Second, all the major phone makers have already committed to make Android OS as their primary OS and have given WP7 only a secondary and cursory attention.
Thirdly, Apple has already successfully blazed the trail in producing both software and hardware in their products; and Google seems to be headed in that direction too with their Android OS in the planned acquisition of Motorola.
If it happens, I think Elop will remain the head of the new acquisition.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 10:00 8

9. bluechrism (Posts: 99; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)


Really hope this doesn't happen. I also don't see this as good for either company.

For Nokia, this would condemn them to mobile nothingness effectively, and confirm them as makers of basic mobiles only, unless they were confident they could sell to MS and then grow a new Smartphone division through something they have in-house. Think Ericsson.
For MS, this kills HTC/Samsung/etc's interest in making Windows Phones.

Lastly, I think Nokia will push MS to be better as a partner, rather than if that came in house. Nokia is more than just a hardware shop and chose the partnership with MS over android because their developers would still be able to have some impact in the OS. This is expected to be first seen in Appollo.

Nokia Smartphone users are used to NFC, bluetooth file transfer, TV-out, front facing cameras that work over 3G (not just internet based Skype services) and time/notifications on their AMOLED lock screen. None of this things are currently supported in Windows Phone. The Nokia N9 camera is better than the Lumia 800 one because of software. Nokia Beta Labs has pushed some great features that would be nice to have on Windows Phone - Nokia Big screen for example. HTC and Samsung can also push MS to be better when they are all independent.

So if this happens, it will be a dark day for Nokia, Finland, Europe, and mobile users the world over. Nokia basically invented smartphones, heck, they basically invented mobile phones. YOu can go to the Nokia conversations site and play the original snake. The disappearance of that name would have a huge impact in mobile and undoubtedly reduce inovation in that space.

People in the US forget, that while Nokia has had dark days here (and in someways everywhere with the N97), they have been getting better even before the MS takeover - The N8 is still the best cameraphone on the market, and has other apps and features that are not common everywhere else (USB OTG, HDMI out, combined with Big Screen, etc). The E7 had probably the best hardware keyboard on a phone to date and even now, almost all their phones this year have NFC. Then there is the beautiful N9.

So maybe this move makes some sense, but i doubt it makes much really within the companies, once you get bey9one - oh look, they make Windows Phones, maybe ,Microsoft should buy them. And I hope this doesn't happen now, or any time in the future.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 11:53 2

19. snowgator (Posts: 3294; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Can you send this post to Nokia and Microsoft? Outstanding write up.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 10:15 1

10. ryq24 (Posts: 537; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


more reason why i wont buy nokia for now until all the dust settled and everything is clear on where nokia is realy going. would have bought nokia n9 but nokia is abandoning meego. wont buy any nokia symbian phone either for same reason.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 10:22 6

11. vvelez5 (Posts: 623; Member since: 29 Jan 2011)


Stephen Elop pulled it off. He brought down Nokia's stock enough to sell to Microsoft. This is exactly what they were planning. Unfortunately it's business and that's the name of the game. Elop is still and will forever be a trojan.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 10:28

12. kamen (Posts: 85; Member since: 18 Jul 2011)


Hm, now that you're saying... I just recall his enthusiasm telling us that Symbian is dead - with a smile and almost an year before any WP phone was ready.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 13:28 1

21. vvelez5 (Posts: 623; Member since: 29 Jan 2011)


If you look back at the old articles on this website about Nokia moving to Windows Phone you'll see several commenters including myself predicting this. Elop is a trojan and he was successful.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 20:17 1

31. hepresearch (unregistered)


I remember you saying that too, like I was. Seeing through the spin is half the battle these days... +1

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 20:16 1

30. hepresearch (unregistered)


Can I get an "Amen"!?! +1

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 10:30 1

13. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


Very bad very sad for Nokia to disappear in the hands of Microsoft

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 10:36

14. captn3x (Posts: 43; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)


I think it would be business suicide. People are just not faithful to Microsoft as they are to Apple or Nokia. I can't see how alienating HTC, Samsung, and the others would be good for business. I believe that iPhone lack of choices is what in the end is going to slow there growth and is why Android is number one. I would like to see Microsoft treat all manufacturers the same and leave Nokia alone. My fear is that Microsoft just wants the patent portfolio (such as Nokia maps) to hand out to other handset makers. Without being able to stand out, Nokia could be doomed. That would leave too many people unemployed, the economy has too many of those.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 10:51 1

15. remixfa (Posts: 14178; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i dont know if its inevitable or not, but what would be the up/down of it? what does microsoft gain from buying nokia and any nokia debt instead of leaving them as an indentured servant?

oh.. wait.. imma answer my own question.. for the same reason Google bought Moto. . Patents. MS loves to patent troll and make money off of everyone, Nokia would add a hell of a warchest to that effort. Nokia already has Apple on the hook for billions and royalties.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 10:58

16. Jericho (Posts: 302; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)


Its gonna be awesome to see Microsoft buy nokia phone division but i think that after google buying motorola.
LG And Sony are going to need their own OS.
Last week Heard that hTc is on the look to buy an OS which leaves These two Manufacturers hanging.
Because if Google And Microsoft stops selling their OS to other manufacturers than its gonna be a big problem for them.
Just sayin cause if google drops support to other manufacturers!
r u still going to buy motorola androids?
maybe yes because ur too much used to using androids.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 12:54

20. rafael.roque (Posts: 78; Member since: 03 Jul 2010)


Just do it already... Kill off the one company who had the resources and brand power to bring competition to google and apple. To us the consumer, that just means less control over what we use and more control to microsoft and gang over what we should use.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 14:02

22. -RVM- (Posts: 329; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


That would be really sad day.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 14:32

23. speckledapple (Posts: 879; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


MIcrosoft could be following a mantra that some companies take where if you want to make quick inroads in something, buy it. In this case, they have Windows Phone, which is compelling, but they will need some serious support to help guide the focus of that enterprise. Thus, Nokia as a partnership makes sense now but eventually they might acquire them for really turn some heads.

Just like they are probably going to buy Yahoo. Bing is making some serious moves and in the long term looks to matter to the world of search. Getting Yahoo is just a stepping stone in that right.

posted on 14 Dec 2011, 14:37

24. downphoenix (Posts: 2416; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


One thing to dispel the rumor: Microsoft has been releasing a lot of apps on iOS lately. I think they are prepping themselves to put out of the mobile OS market and focus on PC and tablet. Why would they release various WP exclusive apps on iOS if they plan on buying out Nokia?

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