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More information on Touch Diamond and Raphael for both Sprint and Verizon

0. phoneArena 05 Aug 2008, 04:46 posted on

We have new information about the Touch Diamond (called Victor and Diamond) and its QWERTY sibling (the Herman and Raphael) which are expected with Sprint and Verizon Wireless ...

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posted on 05 Aug 2008, 09:36

16. (unregistered)

yeah, how big of a deal is the 128mb ram? would the apps ran on the phone (email, web browsing, IM, etc.) be significantly slower on it?

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 11:32

27. (unregistered)

The motion G sensor is the other name of the well known Accelerometer, cuz it measures the acceleration of turning. *my 9 cents*

posted on 07 Aug 2008, 00:42

141. mike 1000 (unregistered)

its also used so that if a call comes thru you can flip the phone up side down and the phone will stop ringing

posted on 07 Aug 2008, 15:01

154. (unregistered)

#21 - from a technical standpoint yes they would be slower, but I bet that most of the extra ram that is in the sprint device is used to power the accellerometer. I have th xv6900 for verizon and 35% is always used up no matter what to power the TouchFLO interface. The diamond's beautiful interface must come at a price though. I bet between the interface and the Motion G sensor, there is probably 90-100 MB oF Ram already. Don't get me wrong I am PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSED!!!! that VZW isn't release the phone with the main feature that makes it trump the iPhone. But the VZW executives are not stupid there must be a reason. But out of protest I will not buy it. Besides, my two year contract ends in 2010, by then HTC will have the Touch Titanium or something that makes the Diamond look like a piece of junk anyways. I will just look funny like I did when I had my i730 for 2 years when the mogul/6800 came out for VZW. Calm down PEOPLE!!!

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 09:26

10. (unregistered)

all 4 phones list "Wirelss LAN 802.11 b/g" does this mean that all phones will have built in wireless? I would expect VZW to take this out instead of the accelerometer.

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 09:32

14. (unregistered)

why would verizon take out the ability to use wifi? to me that should be pretty much standard on any pda/smartphone

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 10:13

22. Aphrophyre (unregistered)

You obviously don't know that Verizon *always* nerfs wi-fi on their PDAs/Smartphones

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 11:16

26. (unregistered)

What phone does Verizon have that is the exact same phone as Sprint with No wifi? please check your facts

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 12:06

33. Drewkkake (unregistered)

Uhhh... how about the Touch? How about YOU check your facts.

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 13:58

42. LessthanZach (Posts: 106; Member since: 29 Apr 2008)

The touch for Sprint does NOT have WIFI. VZW has not taken wifi of of any of their HTC phones that I have been around for such as the 6800 5800 6900(never had it) or 6700.

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 16:17

61. brunnettegirl412 (unregistered)

would you guys shut up

posted on 07 Aug 2008, 08:48

147. just visiting (unregistered)

One comment: my i760 has wfi, and it works very well, thank you.

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 09:27

11. (unregistered)

I find it funny that Sprint somehow knows what versions of the phones verizon is going to have.. Anyone else think that smells fishy?

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 16:15

60. brunnettegirl412 (unregistered)

yes it does smell fishy.....so sprint can turn around and make SURE that they have a better working phone than verizon! so they basically copy vzw..........it sounds VERY TRUE..................plus im not saying sprint is better cause they're not

posted on 09 Aug 2008, 02:53

164. Big Kippa (unregistered)

How does Sprint copy Verizon? They always get phone's first and sometimes exclusively for a time. Name one phone that Verizon had first then Sprint "copied". You can't!!!

posted on 11 Aug 2008, 13:50

171. brunnettegirl412 (unregistered)

the sprint "muziq" was released AFTER the LG chocolate!!! and they did basically COPY them...........and wat do u mean they get phones first???? :/

posted on 11 Aug 2008, 13:52

172. (unregistered)

oh and the instinct is pretty much like the voyager too.....except for the QWERTY keyboard

posted on 15 Aug 2008, 03:50

181. LessthanZach (Posts: 106; Member since: 29 Apr 2008)

It's more like the Dare, which has been out almost 2 months now and feature wise beats the shit out of the instinct....

posted on 20 Aug 2008, 15:24

192. (unregistered)

Oh yeah features like Windows Live Search which is intigrated with Telenav and Threaded Text totally kill the Instinct....wait a min the Dare doesn't have either of those. You can have your 1.2 better mega pix cam and accelomerter (which only works while useing sertain apps) and I'll take the more practical every days use featurs.

posted on 20 Aug 2008, 15:50

193. (unregistered)

How did the Muziq copy the Chocolate? One is a slider and the other is a flip. Now the new Chocolate which released this year does look just like the Muziq which was released over two years ago so that is an example of Sprint getting a phone two years before and yes Muziq was the first phone in the US with an FM transmitter so VZW did basiclly COPY Sprint on that phone.

posted on 20 Aug 2008, 15:58

194. (unregistered)

Ok I meant the type Fusic not Muziq in post 211 (Damn Sprint and their fake word names for phones). The Fusic released in 06 and the Muziq is the new model which released this year. The Fusic was the first phone in the US with the FM trasmitter but the Muziq also has that feature. The Muziq may have released after the new chocolate but Fusic realeased a full two years and all three look the same.

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 09:43

18. mjgio10494 (unregistered)

These phones need to come to AT&T... Verizon kills most phones anyways by putting their stupid operating system on all of them.

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 09:55

20. Sandlord (unregistered)

Actually, not *entirely* true. I have a Samsung sch-i760, my wife a treo 700w, both on VZW, both running winmo, rather than Verizon's proprietary interface ui (which does, I agree, suck balls, it's why I never even considered the voyager/EnV2), and we are more than happy with them. I am also (as the above poster is) suspicious that Sprint has full specs on what the vzw versions are going to be. I call shenanigans on this alleged "update", though if true, I will be buying my touch pro (which I have been drooling over since I first saw it) in unlocked flavor, thank you very much.

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 14:00

43. LessthanZach (Posts: 106; Member since: 29 Apr 2008)

vzw only puts its OS on non pda phones, thank you for your fact-less comment though.

posted on 29 Sep 2008, 02:43

213. Mogul User (unregistered)

Umm... the HTC Touch Pro is coming to AT&T. It's going to be called the Fuze. The FCC has already passed the GSM version of the phone for the U.S. on AT&T's slightly different, Americanized 3G network. You should check Engadget and Gizmodo sometimes. They can be your best friends in this regard. Anywho, to every bickering over the carriers... I work for AT&T as an Authroized Technician. I service a lot of phones first hand on a daily basis, and I know what they're flaws and bugs are. Not to mention I do my research before I slander any carrier or device. First off, I have always been a Sprint customer through the good,the bad, and the ugly mainly because Sprint has the best phones (hands down). That is why I stuck with Sprint because even though they were the very last carrier to get unlimited available nationwide, they are the only carrier they has "true unlimited". No carrier to this day can beat the "Simply Everything Plan" for only $99.99. This is coming from someone who has AT&T service for free. That alone should tell you something... With that said, I have a friend that has been defending VZW since I met him. He would always bash me for having Sprint. Back when Verizon didn't gimp phones, he and I had the infamous Palm Treo 700wx. It was considered to be the best Windows Mobile Device in early 2007. We used to always debate on the issue of who was the better carrier. We even compared coverage maps. BTW, Sprint has the most coverage in southern states. I live in Texas. So to speed ahead and make a long story short, It wasn't too long before I got the Treo that after 6 months I decided to buy a Sprint Mogul, which is the equivalent to Verizon's XV6800. Now although I went through plenty of updates for that phone, Sprint always worked with HTC to improve the device to the best of their ability. They had overall about several updates which were a few bug fixes, added Sprint supported features, and some radio updates. Verizon only released one official update which was the WM 6.1 software. Therefore, all kitchen ROMS that were cooked up by PPCGeeks and XDADevelopers were from previous and recent Sprint HTC Mogul updates. My friend got his XV6800 over 6 months ago and uses one of these kitchen ROMS. This page ended up being the straw broke the camels back when he found this list on this site because of his anticpation for this device. We always had the same taste, but not the same know how. When he found this to be true. He automatically conceded to our days of debating who was overall better. I know my post was a little overdrawn, but I feel this story needed to be shared. I like Verizon just as well as Sprint, but overall you must admit that Sprint has the better package for customers in the long run. Even over AT&T, and I work for them. LOL

posted on 29 Sep 2008, 03:09

215. Mogul User (unregistered)

P.S. He says he is going to join Sprint now. LOL... no j/k

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 09:44

19. j0esm00 (unregistered)

why the hell cant verizon get something with some quality in its network, here a perfectly good device they strip the shit out of it and now we get something that works like the Voyager with the ability to add in business features. Damn mutant phones I tell ya. Does anyone know if we can get an unlocked sprint version and program it for Verizon? Please don't try to sell me on sprint either the phones are good the network and the billing suck been there done that and it was the worst year for cell phone use I had ever had I even got a home phone during the time cuz they sucked so bad I never knew if I was going to be able to call

posted on 22 Aug 2008, 11:55

200. (unregistered)

You will have to wait for the "Any Device" open network to use any CDMA phone that is not in their database.

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 10:04

21. pecoy (unregistered)

what about the GSM models?..i seen an article that they had already passed the FCC..any idea if they are releasing on AT&T and TMOBILE?

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 10:14

23. Kent (unregistered)

Still wish we had the Camera on both sides like the pictures show...... and I'm not understanding why the Victor/Diamond doesn't have a camera flash...? Any ideas on whether or not the cameras in these are as nice as the Moguls? with great pictures, custom backgrounds, panorama, etc? I do agree with #16....think it might just be a selling agent since we get it first.....but still......Sprints PDA's are always better.... Wish Sprint was the one that got the original names of Diamond and Raphael though........Victor and Herman don't sound as cool....I mean.... HERMAN??? who thought of that name?

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 10:19

25. (unregistered)

Well, maybe the man in Marketing named Herman thought that is was a cool name. LOL!!!!!!

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 14:01

45. LessthanZach (Posts: 106; Member since: 29 Apr 2008)

lol. my thoughts precisely...

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 16:26

65. brunnettegirl412 (unregistered)

man some of these guys belong in geek squad cars

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 17:23

70. LessthanZach (Posts: 106; Member since: 29 Apr 2008)

? Thanks, I guess..?

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 10:18

24. alpap (unregistered)

While i do agree that its to early to say what verizon is gonna do with the phones but thos specs are close to what have been rumored and with verizon most likely will kill features that ppl actully would want on a phone the article comes pretty damn close also i guess verizon will be killing the radio on this to huh...And i actually have verizon as my service but hate the fact we get told what we will be gettin in a phone other thant what the customer wants....

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 11:44

29. n0comment (unregistered)

I work with a marketing agency that does work for one of the mobile providers (I won't say which one). I'll try to find out this week what the details will be for the HTC phones. The more I look at it, the more I want one. We're switching services soon and I'm curious to see what the price would be..maybe I can postpone for 30 days or so so that I can get a temp phone and then return it and upgrade. I'll let you know what happens.

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 11:54

31. (unregistered)

*IF* those specs are right I will definitely be disappointed. I like everything about the Touch Pro (expect I'd like a bigger screen) and would hate to see stuff getting cut out. I suppose I can live without the fast processor, though it stinks. The sensor I don't care about. (If it is included I hope I can override or turn it off as I often read ebooks while laying on my side in bed. The screen is oriented in landscape then but I'm on my side as well so I want it in portrait mode.) However, if Verizon also cuts out stuff like the radio, wifi, or gps I'm gonna be ticked then. I'll also look at getting an unlocked phone and try to get it running on Verizon.

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 17:27

71. LessthanZach (Posts: 106; Member since: 29 Apr 2008)

Good luck there. Not too many unlocked CDMA phones out there that will still be able to be activated on the major US carriers... Plus keep in mind that the processor on the VZW DIAMOND HAS TWICE THE INTERNAL SYSTEM MEM. 64MB vs 32MB. This will probably make the two processors about even. Where sprint gets the cake is twice the system ram and the built in 4GB flash, that stinks for us... Plus VZW never cuts the WIFI from their HTC line up, ever. So no worries

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 11:55

32. (unregistered)

Again people quit your crappy attitudes towards VZW...so it won't have an accelometer WHO GIVES A FLYING F****.....i guarantee that it would probbaly be set up so that when you open the internet browser/camera it will force you to turn the phone anyways becasue of the way it is displayed on the screen. This would make the device have to THINK less and therefor not crap out on the VZW UI LOL ...but don't get me wrong i wish VZW didnt take so much from phones

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 13:31

41. manix (unregistered)

The accelometer is the most important feature. For those that don't know what it is--take a look at all the cool apps for the iPhone and look at the functions of the Wii controls. Crippling the accelometer function is just plain stupid.

posted on 29 Sep 2008, 03:01

214. Mogul User (unregistered)

Actually anonymous, (whoever you are), the more crippling thing that VZW did was not only gimping two of their possibly best selling WinMo devices, but inevitably purchasing Alltel Wireless so they could expand their network coverage to rural areas. All of that extra money and will power could have went to keeping this phone's original specs, but instead, Verizon relies more on their credibitally for network coverage over Sprint than to worry about any one particular phone. So it's sorta one's lose and one's gain here. But hey, look on the bright side, at least you as a Verizon customer could switch to Alltel and join the "My Circle" plan... LOL j/k

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 12:16

35. (unregistered)

Obviously VZW is putting all their eggs in the Blackberry Thunder basket! The only reason they would cripple the Diamond this bad is to help Thunder sales. They have a LIFETIME exclusive on the Thunder...AS long as the sales quota is met. When the Thunder is released, supposedly in Oct, Verizon will have released 4-5 (pending on Herman or whatever the hell its name is going to be) touch phones this summer. I was very interesed in the Diamond when I first caught wind that it was coming to the US in CDMA. I've read several "bad lag" reviews about the GSM version and it sounds like VZW version may lag even more if these specs are true. However, it really doesn't make much sense for HTC to create two totally different CDMA phones. I guess Sprint shelled out some cash for this one...

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 15:30

53. brunnettegirl412 (unregistered)


posted on 05 Aug 2008, 15:31

54. brunnettegirl412 (unregistered)

but the diamond does seem pretty cool.....=)

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 15:53

56. brunnettegirl412 (unregistered)

wait i just looked up the HTC touch diamond pro . does any1 know when thats coming out and who it's provider will be?

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 16:04

57. (unregistered)

it sounds like the htc touch diamond pro for verizon ,which is the Raphael, will be released in late october/early november........sorry people who want it, you are going to have to wait a while....................which would include me...=(

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 16:06

58. (unregistered)

nevermind.................i found out...

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 16:08

59. brunnettegirl412 (unregistered)

thank you anonymous

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 12:21

36. MeMyselfAndI (unregistered)

Regarding Touch Pro lag issues: It looks like software update will help, customer firmware/rom, and registry tweaks alleviate this issue. Or you could turn off the "TouchFlo3d" interface all together.

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 12:26

37. (unregistered)

Good to hear they fixed the lag. However, whats the use of this phone if you have to turn off the Touch Flo UI? That's what makes this phone so unique.

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 12:46

38. just get the thunder! (unregistered)

if u don't like the verizon verison of the diamond just get the thunder, there both comming out around the same time thats what I am going to probally do. ps. Sprint sucks

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 12:51

39. (unregistered)

Hey so I have another noob question. Someone here said that Verizon nerf's it's phones so you can't use Wi-Fi on them. Is that also true with a Blackberry's on verizon? I was thinking about getting the Blackberry Bold for Verizon and that would be a huge negative if I couldn't get Wi-Fi on the Bold because Verizon wouldn't allow it.

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 17:37

72. LessthanZach (Posts: 106; Member since: 29 Apr 2008)

There are no official specs on the bold for vzw. Im really not too impressed with it and personally am waiting for the thunder. VZW does NOT nerf WiFi on its PDA's, our blackberries have never had wifi, only the GSM variants have.

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 12:56

40. (unregistered)

i'm wondering if the sprint version will retain the second camera in the front of the phone for video calls? also, any idea as to the pricing for the "victor"? i wanna know how much my birthday present is going to cost. :p

posted on 06 Aug 2008, 01:54

105. LessthanZach (Posts: 106; Member since: 29 Apr 2008)

CDMA Does not support Video calls at current time because the technology does not support continuous voice calls and data calls at the same time. That's why we have seen the europeans phones with the dual cams for so long: because they use GSM witch supports Video calls. Kinda sucks....

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 14:23

47. (unregistered)

everyone should jus switch to sprint lol!!

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 14:51

48. XV6800user (unregistered)

yea...that makes as much as swallowing glass. if u happen to be the 2 ppl in america that acutally like sprint, then by all means stay with them. but as a VZW customer for 6 yrs and a former Sprint employee, i have to be on the side of VZ on this one. Granted, some phones we get are a tamed version of the real thing, but they obviously do it for a reason. and no its not to piss us off or trap us in, it more than likely to keep improving on the network as a whole so u would be able to use the phone! that is the overall point of having a cellphone, right? or have we all forgotten that?

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 17:43

73. LessthanZach (Posts: 106; Member since: 29 Apr 2008)

As a VZW employee, I have to say that VZDub spends its money in its network. Pull the report and you will see that VZ spends more money than any other carrier in the US which is why we have the largest 3G network in america. ATT claims they do, but not in US, they are taking stats from all over the world. I'm too poor to travel so I could give a crap about worldwide 3g. We spend more money on our LG exclusive series such as ENV, Chocolate, Voyager and Dare, than we do on our blackberry and PDA line ups, that's a fact. I am waiting for the day Sprint just throws in the towel and VZ swallows them up. It can't be too far away. Out of all the carriers, I think they carry themselves with the same stature as Metro PCS, lol.

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 20:05

92. (unregistered)

Your delusional VZW has a better contract with LG and Better Cust Care.. The whole company sucks besides that.. They have a few more crippled LG phones who cares the chocolate 3 is a remix of a discontinued sprint phone for crying out loud.. You stay with your better customer care.. Ill take half off my bill..you take your bb thunder and Ill have my herman or victor which will be without a doubt the best two phones in the US.. And in So Cal Sprint has the fastest 3g vzw is right there but wimax will be out soon while you guys still wait for a solid LTE definition.. lol wimax is going to be so huge when it drops next year.. Nokia cant wait then sprint will have better device agreements than verizon anyway

posted on 05 Aug 2008, 20:29

94. XV6800 (unregistered)

well...one thing i cant stand is a person who sits on these things and bashes VZW in an effort to make themselves feel better for having a second rate cell carrier like Sprint, especially when they have no clue what is going on on the inside of that company. now im not an expert, but I along with many other Sprint employees saw this whole thing coming along time ago (by thing i mean Sprint's demise!) and if Sprint was so damn popular in SoCal, then why do u only see VZ and ATT customers there? All im saying is we cant take these documents as gospel bcuz Sprint is NOTORIOUS for lying and undercutting the competition to keep their customers roped in. We should just wait to see when each company acutally rolls out with their respective products and releases proper info about them.. AND AGAIN....this is coming from a former employee of sprint( who quit....so no im not disgruntled) and a customer of Vdub for a very long time.

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